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| Started by | groovee@cyberdude.com |
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| First post | 2019-05-10 03:52 -0700 |
| Last post | 2019-05-15 22:06 +0100 |
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TWO lines of code for transforms? groovee@cyberdude.com - 2019-05-10 03:52 -0700
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2019-05-10 13:38 +0200
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-05-10 14:27 +0200
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2019-05-10 14:13 +0000
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-05-11 11:26 +0100
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2019-05-11 04:20 -0700
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-05-11 14:31 +0100
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2019-05-11 08:29 -0700
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-05-11 16:59 +0100
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-05-11 17:55 +0200
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-05-11 18:31 +0100
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2019-05-11 22:01 -0700
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-05-11 18:18 +0100
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2019-05-11 22:04 -0700
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-05-12 10:27 +0100
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2019-05-14 10:44 -0700
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? Ram Tobolski <ramtob@gmail.com> - 2019-05-11 07:06 -0700
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? groovee@cyberdude.com - 2019-05-13 04:28 -0700
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-05-13 13:38 +0100
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? groovee@cyberdude.com - 2019-05-13 07:31 -0700
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? Ram Tobolski <ramtob@gmail.com> - 2019-05-13 09:11 -0700
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-05-13 17:14 +0100
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? groovee@cyberdude.com - 2019-05-14 23:56 -0700
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2019-05-15 09:43 +0200
Re: TWO lines of code for transforms? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-05-15 22:06 +0100
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| From | Ram Tobolski <ramtob@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-05-13 09:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c567ce24-4101-422e-a557-3fb937fa105f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #36605 |
On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 5:32:09 PM UTC+3, gro...@cyberdude.com wrote: > On Monday, 13 May 2019 18:08:44 UTC+5:30, Ben Bacarisse wrote: > > > > > Lots of things. There's good documentation available on the web if you > > know where to look. For example > > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/transition > > > > Did you try asking in a CSS group? You posted two assignments, but the > > question was not really about scripting at all. > > > > -- > > Ben. > > OK, I don't get it. This is an example from that page: > > transition: margin-right 2s; > > Margin here is a "thing" that's part of the page, it's visible and tangible. How can THAT go on the right hand side, AS WELL AS "transform 1s"? "Margin" is a NOUN, "Transform" is a VERB, isn't it?? > > I'm quite thoroughly confused :( Hi, don't take this too literally.. "transform" does seem like a verb, but it actually function in css like a noun. Read it as if it were written "transformation", or "transformed".
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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-05-13 17:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <87v9yemiv7.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #36605 |
groovee@cyberdude.com writes:
> On Monday, 13 May 2019 18:08:44 UTC+5:30, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>
>>
>> Lots of things. There's good documentation available on the web if you
>> know where to look. For example
>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/transition
>>
>> Did you try asking in a CSS group? You posted two assignments, but the
>> question was not really about scripting at all.
>>
>> --
>> Ben.
It's best to cut signatures.
> OK, I don't get it. This is an example from that page:
>
> transition: margin-right 2s;
>
> Margin here is a "thing" that's part of the page, it's visible and
> tangible. How can THAT go on the right hand side, AS WELL AS
> "transform 1s"? "Margin" is a NOUN, "Transform" is a VERB, isn't it??
transform is also a noun and it might help you think of it as one in the
example you gave.
The line above means that changes to margin-right will take 2 seconds to
complete. Your original example said that changes to the transform
should take 1 second.
> I'm quite thoroughly confused :(
You probably need to see some more examples to reset the view you've
formed of how this stuff works. Here's one that uses a margin:
<!DOCTYPE html>
<head>
<style>
p { margin-left: 10em; transition: margin-left 2s; }
p:hover { margin-left: 1em; }
</style>
</head>
<body>
<p>This is paragrah with a wide margin.</p>
</body>
I've put it up at: http://bsb.me.uk/testing/trans.html
--
Ben.
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| From | groovee@cyberdude.com |
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| Date | 2019-05-14 23:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bffd7eca-b054-46ab-9ea6-81403cddb8b2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #36607 |
On Monday, 13 May 2019 21:45:00 UTC+5:30, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>
> You probably need to see some more examples to reset the view you've
> formed of how this stuff works. Here's one that uses a margin:
>
> <!DOCTYPE html>
> <head>
> <style>
> p { margin-left: 10em; transition: margin-left 2s; }
> p:hover { margin-left: 1em; }
> </style>
> </head>
> <body>
> <p>This is paragrah with a wide margin.</p>
> </body>
>
OK, so the first "p" line means that "if there are any changes to the margin-left property, that change will take 2s to complete" - is that it?
Btw, I notice that if you put the "p:hover" line BEFORE the first "p" line, it still works!! - how the hell is THAT? How does that work??
Also - there's no "transform" anywhere at all in the above code...?!! Isn't that compulsory? (I'm getting Confused a little more...)
Thanks for your help.
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| From | "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> |
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| Date | 2019-05-15 09:43 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <XnsAA5062FC1B4CBeejj99@194.109.6.166> |
| In reply to | #36610 |
groovee@cyberdude.com wrote on 15 May 2019 in comp.lang.javascript:
> On Monday, 13 May 2019 21:45:00 UTC+5:30, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>
>> You probably need to see some more examples to reset the view you've
>> formed of how this stuff works. Here's one that uses a margin:
>>
>> <!DOCTYPE html>
>> <head>
>> <style>
>> p { margin-left: 10em; transition: margin-left 2s; }
>> p:hover { margin-left: 1em; }
>> </style>
>> </head>
>> <body>
>> <p>This is paragrah with a wide margin.</p>
>> </body>
>>
>
> OK, so the first "p" line means that "if there are any changes to the
> margin-left property, that change will take 2s to complete" - is that
> it?
>
> Btw, I notice that if you put the "p:hover" line BEFORE the first "p"
> line, it still works!! - how the hell is THAT? How does that work??
This is NOT a *script code* that is executed,
it is a *CSS style declaration*.
[That's why it is OFF-TOPIC in this NG.]
In *CSS style declarations* ORDER is only significant where they:
1 conflict
and
2 have the same specificity
> Also - there's no "transform" anywhere at all in the above code...?!!
> Isn't that compulsory? (I'm getting Confused a little more...)
READING the specs would help you:
"The **transform** property applies a 2D or 3D transformation to an element.
This property allows you to rotate, scale, move, skew, etc., elements."
So "transforming an element" is NOT "manipulating a margin".
"CSS **transitions** allows you to change property values smoothly (from one
value to another), over a given duration."
--
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-05-15 22:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <874l5vl95o.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #36610 |
groovee@cyberdude.com writes:
> On Monday, 13 May 2019 21:45:00 UTC+5:30, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>
>> You probably need to see some more examples to reset the view you've
>> formed of how this stuff works. Here's one that uses a margin:
>>
>> <!DOCTYPE html>
>> <head>
>> <style>
>> p { margin-left: 10em; transition: margin-left 2s; }
>> p:hover { margin-left: 1em; }
>> </style>
>> </head>
>> <body>
>> <p>This is paragrah with a wide margin.</p>
>> </body>
>
> OK, so the first "p" line means that "if there are any changes to the
> margin-left property, that change will take 2s to complete" - is that
> it?
Roughly, yes.
> Btw, I notice that if you put the "p:hover" line BEFORE the first "p"
> line, it still works!! - how the hell is THAT? How does that work??
A remark like this means you have a picture of how this stuff works and
you were surprised when you made a change to the CSS because the result
did not match your expectations. It's not easy to fix that because I
can't find out what your internal picture is, and whole books have been
written about how this stuff really works.
The order of CSS statements only matters when there is a direct clash --
a later setting will override an earlier one -- but otherwise the rules
just establish a set of facts. I'm being a bit vague with "direct
clash". To find out the details you's have to learn about selectors and
specificity, but p and p:hover are different selectors with different
specificity and different values for margin-left. The order these facts
are given in makes no difference here.
> Also - there's no "transform" anywhere at all in the above code...?!!
> Isn't that compulsory? (I'm getting Confused a little more...)
No. Forget what you think you know about transform. It is not an
action, but a thing -- a property -- like margin-left. An element's
transform is just one of the things that can be made to transition, but
you can give an element a transform that never changes and you make
other properties of an element transition, as in the example above.
The transform really just established a relative coordinate system.
Maybe it should have been called something else like "mapping" or
"coordinates". If you think of it like that, then "transition:
transform 2s" means "changes to the coordinate system for the element
take 2s".
--
Ben.
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