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  new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2017-12-31 09:57 -0800
    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-12-31 20:48 +0100
      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2018-01-02 04:41 +0700
        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-01 23:37 +0100
        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-03 02:25 +0100
          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-03 12:55 +0100
          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-04 04:02 -0800
            Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Martin Honnen <martin.honnen@gmx.de> - 2018-01-04 13:30 +0100
            Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-04 16:48 +0100
    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-06 13:02 -0200
      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-06 11:18 -0800
        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-07 13:07 -0200
          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-07 12:19 -0800
            Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-08 11:43 +0000
              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-08 13:26 +0100
                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-08 16:36 +0000
              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-08 06:09 -0800
                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-08 16:33 +0000
                  Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-08 18:58 +0000
                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-08 19:33 +0000
                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-08 20:26 +0000
                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-08 22:10 +0100
                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-09 02:55 +0100
                          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-09 09:36 +0100
                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-09 02:10 +0100
                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-09 03:35 +0000
                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-09 15:51 +1100
                          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-09 13:17 +0000
                            Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-09 14:44 +0100
                              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-09 14:13 +0000
                                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-10 17:28 +1100
                                  Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-10 21:01 +0100
                                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-10 21:00 +0000
                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-09 13:19 +0100
                  Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-20 08:43 -0800
                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-21 15:09 +0000
                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-21 17:25 +0100
                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-21 16:41 +0000
                          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-21 19:15 +0100
                            Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-21 18:56 +0000
                              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-21 21:58 +0100
                                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-21 23:03 +0000
                                  Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-22 10:41 +0100
                              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-22 11:17 -0200
                                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-22 14:23 +0000
                                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-23 03:50 +0100
                                  Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-23 04:41 +0000
                                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-23 08:55 +0100
                                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-23 14:44 +0000
                                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-23 20:04 +0100
                                          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-23 23:10 +0000
                                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-23 08:44 +0000
                                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-23 03:24 -0800
                                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-01-23 13:27 -0800
                                        Zulu time (was: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-24 00:44 +0100
                                  Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-24 01:37 -0200
                                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-24 04:57 +0100
                                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-24 04:10 +0000
                                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-24 10:19 -0200
                                          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-25 08:20 +0100
                                            Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-25 10:26 +0000
                                              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-25 14:26 +0000
                                              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-26 15:42 +1100
                                                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-26 11:19 +0100
                                                  Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-27 07:16 +1100
                                                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-26 23:22 +0100
                                                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-27 10:33 +1100
                                                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-27 11:30 +0100
                                                          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-28 07:38 +1100
                                                            Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-27 23:47 +0100
                                                              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-28 10:07 +1100
                                                                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-28 01:14 +0000
                                                Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-28 05:25 +0100
                                                  Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-28 16:07 +1100
                                                    [OT] Fallacies (was: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-28 07:18 +0100
                                    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-24 13:51 +0000
                                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-24 17:13 -0200
                          Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-23 03:00 -0800
                            Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-23 14:14 +0000
                              Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-23 15:44 +0100
                      Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-23 04:24 -0800
                        Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-23 14:29 +0000
    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-23 03:19 -0800
    Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-25 13:33 -0800

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#34523

Jon Ribbens wrote:

 
> Please read the thread. 

I read the complete thread. 

GMT IS associated with a "geographic area or set of areas". 
The "which use a common time standard" is the error.

The zone exists regardless of all or any inhabitants time selection.
 

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#34524

"Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> wrote on 08 Jan 2018 in comp.lang.javascript:

> Jon Ribbens wrote:
> 
>  
>> Please read the thread. 
> 
> I read the complete thread. 
> 
> GMT IS associated with a "geographic area or set of areas". 
> The "which use a common time standard" is the error.

Well, I am "associated" with you, because we write in the same thread,
that does not mean you are me, thinking so would be a delusion.

GMT or the "mean" [because of the earth and it's path are not perfectly 
round] of the 0 meridian of Greenwich [because you neet to fix is somehere 
and England ruled the waves then] is a time definition.

I see no problem calling a time-region after this GMT,
I prefer to call it the  the WET-zone.

However, the name of such region or zone should not does not change when 
summer time [= 'dst' for the transponders] is aplied.

> The zone exists regardless of all or any inhabitants time selection.

Well, I won't call it 'exists', but 'is defined'.

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#34529

Mark- wrote:

> Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> Please read the thread.
> 
> I read the complete thread.

But one or more of your research depth, reading capabilities, or 
understanding is lacking.
 
> GMT IS associated with a "geographic area or set of areas".

But that is _not_ the definition for “time zone”.  The Encyclopædia 
Britannica, arguably one of the authorities on whether GMT is a time zone,
defines it as follows:

,-<https://www.britannica.com/science/time-zone>
| 
| *Time zone*, a zone on the terrestrial globe that is approximately 15° 
| longitude wide and extends from pole to pole and within which a uniform 
| clock time is used. Time zones are the functional basis of <standard 
| time>.

> The "which use a common time standard" is the error.

No, *you* are in error.

,-<https://greenwichmeantime.com/what-is-gmt/>
| 
| Setting a Standard for World Time Zones
| 
| Note: UK Time is GMT during winter - between October and March
 
> The zone exists regardless of all or any inhabitants time selection.

That is why GMT is not the name of a time zone (anymore).  The United 
Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (UK), for example, switches 
forth and back between GMT and BST (British Summer Time) without changing 
its geographical location.

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#34535

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote on 09 Jan 2018 in 
comp.lang.javascript:

> That is why GMT is not the name of a time zone (anymore).

That maybe so, dependent of what standard you quote, but a time-zone is a 
region.

> The United 
> Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (UK), for example, switches 
> forth and back between GMT and BST (British Summer Time) without changing 
> its geographical location.

That is beside the point: what time is used in a time-zone does not 
'switch' the region, so the name of the time-zone is not[!] BST in summer.



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#34526

Mark- <nospam@mapson.xyz> wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That is _not_ a proper From header field value.  Read and observe RFC 5536.

> Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> Yes. None of that contradicts the facts that GMT is not a Time Zone...
> 
> What?
> 
> GMT IS a time zone

It was.

> (UTC + 0).

This is properly written “UTC” or “UTC±00:00”.  UTC(±00:00) is a time zone; 
GMT is not (anymore).  GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) is used as a standard time 
in that time zone instead.

<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Standard_World_Time_Zones.png>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Mean_Time#Time_zone>

> Countless sources state GMT as a time zone.

Those sources are out of date or incorrect.
 
> Just one of thousands, https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zones/

AISB.

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#34530

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Mark- <nospam@mapson.xyz> wrote:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> That is not a proper From header field value.  Read and observe RFC
> 5536.

Bite me.

> Those sources are out of date or incorrect.

Says the guy using Wikipedia as a source.
LOL, Wikipedia as a source. HA

>But one or more of your research depth, reading capabilities, or
understanding is lacking.

I have read so many of your post and you are always right (in your
mind) and in most post, you are a pedantic condescending ass,
disdainful of all others.

Wasting my time with you has come to an end.

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#34531

On 9/01/2018 2:35 PM, Mark- wrote:

> I have read so many of your post and you are always right (in your
> mind) and in most post, you are a pedantic condescending ass,
> disdainful of all others.

Despite the unfortunate tone he often uses I suspect that PE is right 
significantly more times than not.

Andrew Poulos

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#34543

Andrew Poulos wrote:

> Despite the unfortunate tone he often uses I suspect that PE is right
> significantly more times than not.

That you "suspect" indicates an opinion, not fact. Please do not be an
apologist for an ass.

I fail to see why people tolerate a person acting like PE does. It does
not do them, society or you any favors.

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#34544

"Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> wrote on 09 Jan 2018 in comp.lang.javascript:

> Andrew Poulos wrote:
> 
>> Despite the unfortunate tone he often uses I suspect that PE is right
>> significantly more times than not.
> 
> That you "suspect" indicates an opinion, not fact. Please do not be an
> apologist for an ass.

What nonsense.

You cannot state a fact, only opinion, and therefore you have to give logic 
founded on evidence to stear your opinion in the direction of a fact.

The 'truthfulness of a statement' [making it 'factual'] is not dependend on 
authority or dogma, but on evidence and logic.

> I fail to see why people tolerate a person acting like PE does. It does
> not do them, society or you any favors.

Well, I am not that impressed by what you fail to see.

Why should you only be tolerant if it favours you, me or society?


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#34545

Evertjan. wrote:

>You cannot state a fact, only opinion,

Balderdash.

> Why should you only be tolerant if it favours you, me or society?

Typical attempt to make an invalid point by misquoting someone.

I said "It does not do them, society or you any favors." THEM, THEM, I
said THEM first, that is the primary point. Society is secondary and
you/me are tertiary, in this instance.

Time to exit stage left.


 

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#34557

On 10/01/2018 1:13 AM, Mark- wrote:

> I said "It does not do them, society or you any favors." THEM, THEM, I
> said THEM first, that is the primary point. Society is secondary and
> you/me are tertiary, in this instance.

That you believe my tolerance a failing is, perhaps, your failing.

Andrew Poulos

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#34563

Andrew Poulos wrote:

> On 10/01/2018 1:13 AM, Mark- wrote:
>> I said "It does not do them, society or you any favors." THEM, THEM, I
>> said THEM first, that is the primary point. Society is secondary and
>> you/me are tertiary, in this instance.
> 
> That you believe my tolerance a failing is, perhaps, your failing.

Please do not feed the troll.

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#34564

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Please do not feed the troll.

My my, nasty. But that is normal for your post. I guess that makes you
a gnome.

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#34540

Mark- wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Mark- <nospam@mapson.xyz> wrote:
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> That is not a proper From header field value.  Read and observe RFC
>> 5536.
> 
> Bite me.

No, if you continue like this, I will ignore you instead.  Because then you 
cannot be reasoned with, and reading and replying to your postings is a 
waste of time.  Especially as so far you had nothing on topic to offer.

>> Those sources are out of date or incorrect.
> 
> Says the guy using Wikipedia as a source.

First of all, the overall accuracy of Wikipedia has been compared to that of 
the Encyclopædia Britannica in 2005:

<https://www.nature.com/articles/438900a>

Second, again you have not read the whole thread.  I have posted another 
follow-up shortly after:

<news:2922315.ooKz8bjOiK@PointedEars.de>

> LOL, Wikipedia as a source. HA

No, as a starting point for your homework because you have relied on the 
first Google hit instead of doing proper research.  (I know because I have 
googled for “gmt "time zone"” as well.)

Wikipedia is not just any wiki.  It is an encyclopedia and as such requires 
from its editors to include references for statement:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability>

For that reason, some universities have started to accept references to 
Wikipedia articles in scientific work given that the timestamp is specified, 
too:

<http://guides.library.ucla.edu/wikipedia/citing-wikipedia>

In your hubris, you have not followed either references.

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#34610

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 4:34:04 PM UTC, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2018-01-08, <JRS> wrote:
> > On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 11:44:00 AM UTC, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> >> Where are you getting this idea that the time zone in the UK should
> >> be called "the GMT Time Zone"? It is a contradiction in terms since
> >> GMT is not a time zone and the UK is not on GMT during the summer.
> >
> > I get the idea from reading truly authoritative sources of
> > information, such as, but not necessarily all of, and not only, NPL,
> > BIPM, NIST - and by remembering that Microsoft is unreliable.
> 
> It's Microsoft that (falsely/misleadingly) claims that the UK's
> time zone is "GMT". What is your reason for agreeing with them?

Well, I rarely like agreeing with them; but if & when they claim that the UK's Time Zone is permanently 0, GMT, UTC, GMT+0, UTC-0, etc., they are correct - which does not of course prevent other parts of the firm from being wrong.  Consider their VBscript function DatePart which for a decade or more has been capable of giving the occasional one-day week ...

The Standard Time in the UK (a modicum excepted, according to Clive) is (by Law, as translated from the EU, IIRC) GMT - however, the UK's standard time is UTC-based.  Time Zones are normally designated by the nominal number of hours by which the Standard Time is offset from UTC, which for the UK (except ...) is 0.  GMT and UTC are similar but not synonymous.

The definition of the Date Object implies that ECMAscript time is actually GMT-based, since ECMAscript has no Leap Seconds.

> "NPL BIPM NIST" is not a cite.

Agreed not a cite.  But you can look them up in Wikipedia (for NPL, an intelligent selection is then needed) and thence access their Web sites.

> > AISB, a Time Zone is defined as a set of places which have the same
> > Standard Time offset from GMT/UTC - and Standard Time is Winter
> > Time, with Summer Time being offset forward from that (in practice,
> > by a multiple of 30 minutes).
> 
> Yes. None of that contradicts the facts that GMT is not a Time Zone,
> and also the time in the UK in the summer is not GMT.

GMT is not the formal name of our Time Zone, just an adequate nickname, but the Standard Time in the UK (") is by Law GMT (IIRC) and in practice is UTC.

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#34617

On 2018-01-20, Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> wrote:
> On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 4:34:04 PM UTC, Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> It's Microsoft that (falsely/misleadingly) claims that the UK's
>> time zone is "GMT". What is your reason for agreeing with them?
>
> Well, I rarely like agreeing with them; but if & when they claim
> that the UK's Time Zone is permanently 0, GMT, UTC, GMT+0, UTC-0,
> etc., they are correct - which does not of course prevent other
> parts of the firm from being wrong.

I'm thinking mostly of Outlook meeting invites, which describe
the date and time in the following format:

    TZID=GMT Standard Time:20180601T150000

which is at best extremely misleading and at worst completely wrong.
Apple Mail invites look like the following instead:

    TZID=Europe/London:20180601T150000

which is much clearer. (Amusingly, the Apple invite also appears
for some reason to contain the complete daylight savings rules for
the UK from 1916 to the present day.)

> The Standard Time in the UK (a modicum excepted, according to Clive)
> is (by Law, as translated from the EU, IIRC) GMT - however, the UK's
> standard time is UTC-based.  Time Zones are normally designated by
> the nominal number of hours by which the Standard Time is offset
> from UTC, which for the UK (except ...) is 0.  GMT and UTC are
> similar but not synonymous.

No, the time in time zones is designated that way, but the time zone
itself is not. For example, the time in the UK and the time in Mali
are both currently GMT+0 but they are not in the same time zone as
in a few months the UK will be GMT+1 and Mali will still be GMT+0.

>> "NPL BIPM NIST" is not a cite.
>
> Agreed not a cite.  But you can look them up in Wikipedia (for NPL,
> an intelligent selection is then needed) and thence access their Web
> sites.

You might as well cite "the Internet". The problem is not that
I don't know what those organisations are or that I cannot find
their websites, the problem is that you have given no indication
which of their hundreds of thousands of publications you are
referring to.

> GMT is not the formal name of our Time Zone, just an adequate
> nickname, but the Standard Time in the UK (") is by Law GMT (IIRC)
> and in practice is UTC.

My point is that it is not at all an adequate nickname, because if you
use it that way then in the summer if someone says "I'll meet you at
3pm GMT" you have no way of knowing what time they intend to meet you.

Amusingly, something like this sort of issue actually came up last night,
as I was going to an event at the "St Moritz" club in London which was
advertised by a Facebook event. Facebook had assumed the organiser
meant St Moritz in Switzerland so the advertised start time for the
event was "22:00 CET", and I had no way of knowing whether they
actually meant 21:00 GMT or 22:00 GMT.

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#34618

Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote on 21 Jan 2018 in 
comp.lang.javascript:

> My point is that it is not at all an adequate nickname, because if you
> use it that way then in the summer if someone says "I'll meet you at
> 3pm GMT" you have no way of knowing what time they intend to meet you.

What nonsense. 
I know exactly what is ment.
[Intentions are always only known after the fact.]

Time-zone defines an area, which can be called GMT.

GMT-time is the winter time of the GMT-time-zone.

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
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#34619

On 2018-01-21, Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:
> Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote on 21 Jan 2018 in 
> comp.lang.javascript:
>> My point is that it is not at all an adequate nickname, because if you
>> use it that way then in the summer if someone says "I'll meet you at
>> 3pm GMT" you have no way of knowing what time they intend to meet you.
>
> What nonsense. 
> I know exactly what is ment.
> [Intentions are always only known after the fact.]
>
> Time-zone defines an area, which can be called GMT.
>
> GMT-time is the winter time of the GMT-time-zone.

Ok, I'll meet you in Trafalgar Square on 1st June at at 3pm (GMT).
At what time in UTC do you think I am saying I will be there?

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#34621

Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote on 21 Jan 2018 in 
comp.lang.javascript:

> Ok, I'll meet you in Trafalgar Square on 1st June at at 3pm (GMT).
> At what time in UTC do you think I am saying I will be there?

1500Z, 
as you are stating a time in GMT, not a time-zone,
and a region [Trafalgar Square].

First time I was feeding the birds there was in May 1946.

I think I'll pass on your invitation,
as I expect you will be rather uncertain about your own timing,
and feeding the birds is not done anymore.

<https://youtu.be/kRQTOAKKrpo>

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#34622

On 2018-01-21, Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:
> Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote on 21 Jan 2018 in 
> comp.lang.javascript:
>> Ok, I'll meet you in Trafalgar Square on 1st June at at 3pm (GMT).
>> At what time in UTC do you think I am saying I will be there?
>
> 1500Z, 
> as you are stating a time in GMT, not a time-zone,
> and a region [Trafalgar Square].

No, sorry, I meant "GMT the time zone", so I'll be there at 1400Z
and you'll miss me and won't get the €50 I was surely going to give
you.

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