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problem with disabling div

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  problem with disabling div jivanmukta@poczta.onet.pl - 2016-08-20 00:32 -0700
    Re: problem with disabling div Osmo Saarikumpu <osmo@weppipakki.com> - 2016-08-20 10:55 +0300
      Re: problem with disabling div jivanmukta@poczta.onet.pl - 2016-08-20 02:08 -0700
      Re: problem with disabling div Jivanmukta <jivanmukta@poczta.onet.pl> - 2016-08-24 09:23 +0200
        Re: problem with disabling div "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-08-24 10:30 +0200
          Re: problem with disabling div "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-08-24 10:48 +0200
            Re: problem with disabling div Jivanmukta <jivanmukta@poczta.onet.pl> - 2016-08-24 12:32 +0200
              Re: problem with disabling div Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-24 19:27 +0200
          Re: problem with disabling div Jivanmukta <jivanmukta@poczta.onet.pl> - 2016-08-24 11:17 +0200
            Re: problem with disabling div "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-08-24 11:50 +0200
            Re: problem with disabling div Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-24 19:24 +0200
              Re: problem with disabling div John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-08-24 20:08 +0100
                Re: problem with disabling div Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2016-08-25 06:47 +1000
                  Re: problem with disabling div John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-08-25 09:47 +0100
                  Re: problem with disabling div Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-25 18:37 +0200
                    Re: problem with disabling div John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-08-26 10:46 +0100
                  Re: problem with disabling div Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-08-25 22:46 +0100
                    Re: problem with disabling div "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-08-26 12:41 +0200
                      Re: problem with disabling div Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-08-27 21:02 +0100
                        Re: problem with disabling div "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-08-28 12:07 +0200
                          Re: problem with disabling div Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-08-29 21:39 +0100
                            Re: problem with disabling div "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-08-30 10:45 +0200
                        Re: problem with disabling div $Bill <news@todbe.com> - 2016-08-28 03:25 -0700

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#31124 — problem with disabling div

Fromjivanmukta@poczta.onet.pl
Date2016-08-20 00:32 -0700
Subjectproblem with disabling div
Message-ID<ea5c8a11-d715-4649-a0e8-f69f9775d0b2@googlegroups.com>
In PHP code I have:

if ($images + $movies > 0) {
    echo "<tr><td>Attachements:</td><td>";
    echo '</td></tr>';
    echo '<tr><td></td><td><div id="attachments">';
    $dir = getPicturesDir($fullAnnouncementNo);
    $picturesDir = substr($dir, strlen(FCPATH) + 1);
    $pictures = getPicturesOf($fullAnnouncementNo);
    foreach ($pictures as $p) {
        if (isMovie($p)) {
            echo '<object data="' . base_url($picturesDir . '/' . $p) . '"></object>';
        } elseif (isImage($p)) {
            echo '<img src="' . base_url($picturesDir . '/' . $p) .'">';
        }
    }
}

I want to disable attachments div when printing.

function setCurrentStyle(elem, cssProperty, cssValue) {
    if (elem.currentStyle) { // IE
        elem.currentStyle[cssProperty] = cssValue;
        elem.style[cssProperty] = cssValue;
    } else if (window.getComputedStyle) {
        elem.style[cssProperty] = cssValue;
    }
}

function printAnnouncement() {
    var btn1 = document.getElementById('print_announcement');
    var btn2 = document.getElementById('summary');
    var att = document.getElementById('attachments');
    var i;
    setCurrentStyle(btn1, 'display', 'none');
    setCurrentStyle(btn2, 'display', 'none');
    setCurrentStyle(att, 'display', 'none');
    window.print();
    setCurrentStyle(btn1, 'display', '');
    setCurrentStyle(btn2, 'display', '');
    setCurrentStyle(att, 'display', 'block');
}

Buttons print_announcement and summary are correctly disabled when printAnnouncement() is called. Div attachment is still visible. I don't understand why.
Please help.

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#31126

FromOsmo Saarikumpu <osmo@weppipakki.com>
Date2016-08-20 10:55 +0300
Message-ID<np92e2$ska$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#31124
On 20/08/2016 10:32, jivanmukta@poczta.onet.pl wrote:
> I want to disable attachments div when printing.

I'm probably missing something here, but I'd try:

<style type="text/css" media="print">
#attachments {display:none;}
</style>

Or, instead of the display property. use:

visibility:hidden;

if layout preservation is needed.

-- 
Best wishes, Osmo

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#31127

Fromjivanmukta@poczta.onet.pl
Date2016-08-20 02:08 -0700
Message-ID<5224ff84-1638-436d-ae1b-514f2770ba9c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#31126
W dniu sobota, 20 sierpnia 2016 09:55:51 UTC+2 użytkownik Osmo Saarikumpu napisał:
> <style type="text/css" media="print">
> #attachments {display:none;}
> </style>

You are great, your solution is perfect. Thanks a lot!

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#31146

FromJivanmukta <jivanmukta@poczta.onet.pl>
Date2016-08-24 09:23 +0200
Message-ID<npji1n$c49$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31126
I added to my view "show/hide attachments" button. I want to have 
attachments invisible by default. When user presses "show attachments" the 
attachments (images and movies) should be shown. When user presses "hide 
attachments" the attachments should be hidden. The attachments should never 
be printed.

Here is main part of my view:

<div align="center">
<input id="print_announcement1" name="print_announcement" type="button" 
class="normal_button" value="Print announcement" onclick="window.print();">
</div>
<br>
<style type="text/css" media="print">
input#print_announcement1, input#summary1, input#print_announcement2, 
input#summary2, input#show_hide_attachments, div#attachments { display: 
none; }
</style>
<script type="text/javascript">
function showHideAttachments(btn) {
    var a = document.getElementById('attachments');
    var movies = document.getElementsByTagName('embed');
    var i;
    if (a.style.visibility == 'hidden') {
        a.style.visibility = 'visible';
        for (i = 0; i < movies.length; i++) {
            movies[i].hidden = false;
        }
        btn.value = 'Hide attachments';
    } else if (a.style.visibility == 'visible') {
        a.style.visibility = 'hidden';
        for (i = 0; i < movies.length; i++) {
            movies[i].hidden = true;
        }
        btn.value = 'Show attachments';
    }
}
</script>
<table id="printout" border="0">
<caption>
<h6>Announcement</h6>
<hr>
</caption>
<tfoot>
<tr><td colspan="2"><hr></td></tr>
</tfoot>
<tbody>
... <!-- announcement data -->
<?php
if ($images + $movies > 0) {
    echo "<tr><td>Attachments:</td><td>";
    echo '<b>', $images, ' images, ', $movies, ' movies</b> ';
    echo '<input id="show_hide_attachments" type="button" value="Show 
attachments" onclick="showHideAttachments(this);">';
    echo '</td></tr></tbody></table>';
    echo '<div id="attachments" align="center" style="visibility: hidden">';
    $dir = getPicturesDir($fullAnnouncementNo);
    $picturesDir = substr($dir, strlen($publicHtmlDir) + 1);
    $pictures = getPicturesOf($fullAnnouncementNo);
    foreach ($pictures as $p) {
        if (isMovie($p)) {
            echo '<embed hidden="true" autostart="false" height="0" 
width="0" src="' . base_url($picturesDir . '/' . $p) . '"><br>';
        } elseif (isImage($p)) {
            echo '<img src="' . base_url($picturesDir . '/' . $p) .'"><br>';
        }
    }
    echo '<input id="print_announcement2" name="print_announcement" 
type="button" class="normal_button" value="Print announcement" 
onclick="window.print();">';
    echo '</div>';
}
?>

I use <embed hidden="true" autostart="false" ...> becase I don't want the 
movies to be displayed at document load.
The problem is that the movies are not displayed at all when user presses 
"show attachments". I don't know why and I don't know how to program it 
correctly.
Please help.

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#31147

From"Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net>
Date2016-08-24 10:30 +0200
Message-ID<XnsA66E6AE52D05Deejj99@194.109.6.166>
In reply to#31146
Jivanmukta <jivanmukta@poczta.onet.pl> wrote on 24 Aug 2016 in
comp.lang.javascript: 

> I added to my view "show/hide attachments" button. I want to have 
> attachments invisible by default. When user presses "show attachments"
> the attachments (images and movies) should be shown. When user presses
> "hide attachments" the attachments should be hidden. The attachments
> should never be printed.

Do this with css, no javascript needed:

@media print {
	.noprint {display:none;}
}

input#hide[type=checkbox]:checked + .noshowchecked {
  display:none;
} 

<div class='noprint noshowchecked'>...</div>
<div class='noprint noshowchecked'>...</div>
<div class='noprint'>...</div>
<input type='checkbox' id='hide'> Hide

Debug for the exact syntax, perhaps follow up in:
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#31148

From"Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net>
Date2016-08-24 10:48 +0200
Message-ID<XnsA66E6DE905411eejj99@194.109.6.166>
In reply to#31147
"Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote on 24 Aug 2016 in 
comp.lang.javascript:

> Debug for the exact syntax, perhaps follow up in:
> comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets

Use ~
<https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/General_sibling_selectors>

The checkbos has to be before the elements and have a common container,
it seems. Now tested working on Chrome:

<style type='text/css'>
@media print {
	.noprint {display:none;}
}
input#hide[type=checkbox]:checked ~ .noshowchecked {
  display:none;
} 
</style>
<body>
<input type='checkbox' id='hide'> Hide
<div class='noprint noshowchecked'>a...</div>
<div class='noprint noshowchecked'>b...</div>
<div class='noprint'>not printed only...</div>
</body>


-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#31151

FromJivanmukta <jivanmukta@poczta.onet.pl>
Date2016-08-24 12:32 +0200
Message-ID<npjt35$tok$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31148
Thanks.

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#31153

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2016-08-24 19:27 +0200
Message-ID<2371410.mvXUDI8C0e@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#31151
Jivanmukta wrote:

> [no quote]
>
> Thanks.

<http://PointedEars.de/faq/notes/posting/>

-- 
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#31149

FromJivanmukta <jivanmukta@poczta.onet.pl>
Date2016-08-24 11:17 +0200
Message-ID<npjonk$mne$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#31147
Evertjan. wrote:
> Do this with css, no javascript needed:

Is it a rule that if sth can be done without JavaScript, CSS is preffered?

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#31150

From"Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net>
Date2016-08-24 11:50 +0200
Message-ID<XnsA66E787004AC0eejj99@194.109.6.166>
In reply to#31149
Jivanmukta <jivanmukta@poczta.onet.pl> wrote on 24 Aug 2016 in 
comp.lang.javascript:

> Evertjan. wrote:
>> Do this with css, no javascript needed:
> 
> Is it a rule that if sth can be done without JavaScript, CSS is preffered?

Well yes, the Chief-Rabbi of Javascript declares it to be preferable.

So you will be in deep trouble, if you don't amend your ways,
you could even be flamed.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_(Internet)>

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#31152

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2016-08-24 19:24 +0200
Message-ID<1781460.oMNUckLgyt@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#31149
Jivanmukta wrote:

> Evertjan. wrote:
>> Do this with css, no javascript needed:
> 
> Is it a rule that if sth can be done without JavaScript, CSS is preffered?

A rule of thumb.

Please post here using your real name, and avoid posting via the troll 
server, aioe.org.

-- 
PointedEars
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Twitter: @PointedEars2 | ES Matrix: <http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix>
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#31154

FromJohn Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid>
Date2016-08-24 20:08 +0100
Message-ID<44srrbhkj2fa1908n7jvhemn24nur4col8@4ax.com>
In reply to#31152
On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 19:24:41 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
<PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

>Jivanmukta wrote:

  <snip>
>Please post here using your real name, 
  <snip>

In English law a person's real name is anything they want it to be.

Also, 'Thomas Lahn' doesn't look like a real German name.

  John

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#31155

FromAndrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com>
Date2016-08-25 06:47 +1000
Message-ID<m8mdnReiV5RUmiPKnZ2dnUU7-c3NnZ2d@westnet.com.au>
In reply to#31154
On 25/08/2016 5:08 AM, John Harris wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 19:24:41 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>
>> Jivanmukta wrote:
>
>   <snip>
>> Please post here using your real name,
>   <snip>
>
> In English law a person's real name is anything they want it to be.

No, under English law a name will not be accepted that
   does not include at least one forename and one surname
   is impossible to pronounce
   includes numbers or symbols
   is vulgar, offensive or blasphemous
   ...

Andrew Poulos

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#31161

FromJohn Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid>
Date2016-08-25 09:47 +0100
Message-ID<u0ctrblhk4ssag97r2ojgl0pea7tp8h25c@4ax.com>
In reply to#31155
On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 06:47:06 +1000, Andrew Poulos
<ap_prog@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 25/08/2016 5:08 AM, John Harris wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 19:24:41 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
>> <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Jivanmukta wrote:
>>
>>   <snip>
>>> Please post here using your real name,
>>   <snip>
>>
>> In English law a person's real name is anything they want it to be.
>
>No, under English law a name will not be accepted that
>   does not include at least one forename and one surname
>   is impossible to pronounce
>   includes numbers or symbols
>   is vulgar, offensive or blasphemous

Accepted by whom?

Under which law?

According to the Oxford Dictionary of Law if you can persuade your
friends to call you Dickhead then that's perfectly legal. However, if
you were baptised by the Church of England then you need to obtain
your bishop's permission to change your Christian name.

  John

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#31182

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2016-08-25 18:37 +0200
Message-ID<1768489.oMNUckLgyt@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#31155
Andrew Poulos wrote:

> On 25/08/2016 5:08 AM, John Harris wrote:
>> In English law a person's real name is anything they want it to be.
> 
> No, under English law a name will not be accepted that
>    does not include at least one forename and one surname
>    is impossible to pronounce
>    includes numbers or symbols
>    is vulgar, offensive or blasphemous
>    ...

         +-------------------+             .:\:\:/:/:.
         |   PLEASE DO NOT   |            :.:\:\:/:/:.:
         |  FEED THE TROLLS  |           :=.' -   - '.=:
         |                   |           '=(\ 9   9 /)='
         |   Thank you,      |              (  (_)  )
         |       Management  |              /`-vvv-'\
         +-------------------+             /         \
                 |  |        @@@          / /|,,,,,|\ \
                 |  |        @@@         /_//  /^\  \\_\
   @x@@x@        |  |         |/         WW(  (   )  )WW
   \||||/        |  |        \|           __\,,\ /,,/__
    \||/         |  |         |          (______Y______)
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
==================================================================

-- 
PointedEars
FAQ: <http://PointedEars.de/faq> | SVN: <http://PointedEars.de/wsvn/>
Twitter: @PointedEars2 | ES Matrix: <http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix>
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#31185

FromJohn Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid>
Date2016-08-26 10:46 +0100
Message-ID<ot30sb1bsod38igmjalpmskdjfo6lksu9k@4ax.com>
In reply to#31182
On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 18:37:11 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
<PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

>Andrew Poulos wrote:
>
>> On 25/08/2016 5:08 AM, John Harris wrote:
>>> In English law a person's real name is anything they want it to be.
>> 
>> No, under English law a name will not be accepted that
>>    does not include at least one forename and one surname
>>    is impossible to pronounce
>>    includes numbers or symbols
>>    is vulgar, offensive or blasphemous
>>    ...
>
>         +-------------------+             .:\:\:/:/:.
>         |   PLEASE DO NOT   |            :.:\:\:/:/:.:
>         |  FEED THE TROLLS  |           :=.' -   - '.=:
>         |                   |           '=(\ 9   9 /)='
>         |   Thank you,      |              (  (_)  )
>         |       Management  |              /`-vvv-'\
>         +-------------------+             /         \
>                 |  |        @@@          / /|,,,,,|\ \
>                 |  |        @@@         /_//  /^\  \\_\
>   @x@@x@        |  |         |/         WW(  (   )  )WW
>   \||||/        |  |        \|           __\,,\ /,,/__
>    \||/         |  |         |          (______Y______)
>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>==================================================================

1 Thomas appears to think that Usenet has a management, and that he is
it.

2 Thomas cannot understand that his preferences are not binding on the
rest of the world.

3 Thomas uses the term 'real name' but has not said what he means by
the term, let alone referred to an authorative definition that applies
to all the people on Earth.

  John

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#31184

FromDr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid>
Date2016-08-25 22:46 +0100
Message-ID<0P8k24iic2vXFw5x@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>
In reply to#31155
In comp.lang.javascript message <m8mdnReiV5RUmiPKnZ2dnUU7-c3NnZ2d@westne
t.com.au>, Thu, 25 Aug 2016 06:47:06, Andrew Poulos
<ap_prog@hotmail.com> posted:

>On 25/08/2016 5:08 AM, John Harris wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 19:24:41 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
>> <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Jivanmukta wrote:
>>
>>   <snip>
>>> Please post here using your real name,
>>   <snip>
>>
>> In English law a person's real name is anything they want it to be.
>
>No, under English law a name will not be accepted that
>  does not include at least one forename and one surname
>  is impossible to pronounce
>  includes numbers or symbols
>  is vulgar, offensive or blasphemous
>  ...

That will be the official or legal name.  The real name, possibly
modified by marriage or otherwise, will be the one given + inherited at
the infant's naming ceremony if any or its substitute - and that name
may not use Western European characters , and the aunts and uncles do
not necessarily know how to spell the official version.

        Enquiring man  : "Boy, please, what is your dog's name?"
        Thoughtful boy : "I don't know : we call him Rover."

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK.  ¬@merlyn.demon.co.uk   Turnpike v6.05   MIME.
 Merlyn Web Site <                       > - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.

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#31186

From"Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net>
Date2016-08-26 12:41 +0200
Message-ID<XnsA6708116F3137eejj99@194.109.6.166>
In reply to#31184
Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote on 25 Aug 2016 
in comp.lang.javascript:

> - and that name
> may not use Western European characters ,

Why? 
What characters are allowed?
Would we need character-witnesses?

I would sooner disable all divs!

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#31187

FromDr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid>
Date2016-08-27 21:02 +0100
Message-ID<YA5fll5IHfwXFw0V@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>
In reply to#31186
In comp.lang.javascript message <XnsA6708116F3137eejj99@194.109.6.166>,
Fri, 26 Aug 2016 12:41:24, Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net>
posted:

>Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote on 25 Aug 2016
>in comp.lang.javascript:
>
>> - and that name
>> may not use Western European characters ,
>
>Why?
>What characters are allowed?

Consider, for example, any esteemed gentleman sometimes referred to as
Binyomin, which seems in many cases unlikely to be the exact name that
he was formally given by his parents as a new baby, though it may well
have been used for registration with Het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden or
elsewhere.

Or, if you prefer, consider the 5th Dalai Lama.

-- 
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 Merlyn Web Site <                       > - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.

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#31188

From"Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net>
Date2016-08-28 12:07 +0200
Message-ID<XnsA6727B60ADC79eejj99@194.109.6.166>
In reply to#31187
Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote on 27 Aug 2016 
in comp.lang.javascript:

> In comp.lang.javascript message <XnsA6708116F3137eejj99@194.109.6.166>,
> Fri, 26 Aug 2016 12:41:24, Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net>
> posted:
> 
>>Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote on 25 Aug 
2016
>>in comp.lang.javascript:
>>
>>> - and that name
>>> may not use Western European characters ,

I now suspect you used 'may not' as 'is not allowed to', 
not 'may not' as 'does/is possibly not'.

>>Why?
>>What characters are allowed?
> 
> Consider, 

Well, a name does not 'use' characters, methinks.

> for example, any esteemed gentleman sometimes referred to as
> Binyomin, 

Indeed he could be quite a 'character', 'using' such a name, 
or then again, perhaps not.

[the spelling 'Binyomin' wit an 'y' seems strictly English]

> which seems in many cases unlikely 

Why?

> to be the exact name that
> he was formally given by his parents as a new baby,

I doubt parent 'formally' give names to babies,
they just register such the name[s],
at the registry office [or a religious equivalent person?] in England
or to the the officer of the état civile in states under Napoleontic law.

Perhaps we should elucidate 'formal'.

Surely all babies are 'new', aren't they?
Or is this 'Binyomin' of yours an old one?

> though it may well have been used for registration 

What is so 'informal' with such registration?

> with Het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden or elsewhere.

What is the argument?

> Or, if you prefer, consider the 5th Dalai Lama.

Ngawang Lobsang Gyatso, should I prefer to consider him, why? 



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Evertjan.
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