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  getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com> - 2013-09-07 08:45 -0700
    Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Martin Honnen <mahotrash@yahoo.de> - 2013-09-07 18:07 +0200
      Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com> - 2013-09-07 10:36 -0700
    Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Ken <usenet-so@abdiassoftware.com> - 2013-09-07 13:58 -0500
      Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com> - 2013-09-07 13:18 -0700
        Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-07 22:37 +0200
          Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com> - 2013-09-07 14:28 -0700
            Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-08 08:59 +0200
              Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com> - 2013-09-08 06:55 -0700
                Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-08 17:39 +0200
                Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2013-09-08 20:22 +0200
                Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-09 04:35 +0200
                  Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com> - 2013-09-08 22:05 -0700
                    Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-09 09:22 +0200
                      Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-09 13:50 +0200
        Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-07 22:49 +0200
          Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com> - 2013-09-07 14:25 -0700
            Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-08 01:44 +0200
              Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-08 10:04 +0100
                Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com> - 2013-09-08 06:56 -0700
                  Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-08 19:25 +0200
                    Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com> - 2013-09-08 12:23 -0700
                Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-09 19:56 +0100
                  Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-10 10:26 +0100
        Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Ken <usenet-so@abdiassoftware.com> - 2013-09-07 18:36 -0500
    Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-08 19:17 +0100
      Re: getElementById or forms['form'].elements....? Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com> - 2013-09-08 16:03 -0700

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#21204

Ed Jay wrote:

> John Harris wrote:
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>  <snip>
>>> <http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful/>
>> The author thinks it only takes 10 minutes to select and delete
>> several hundred spam emails.
>>
>> The author thinks that in 1998 it wasn't a problem downloading 50
>> 100kB spam emails over a slow dial-up link.
>
> The author had nothing intelligent to add, but felt the need to make
> comment. :-))

If you actually think it is not intelligent to also allow for private 
communication in a public communications medium; if you think that it is 
intelligent instead to burden others with the results of your anti-social 
behavior, then there is nothing left to discuss with you indeed.

I can only hope that other people here, too, are intelligent enough to 
deprive you of the answers to your questions, the solutions to your 
problems, and the time that would have to be invested by them into devising 
and wording those, which you evidently do not deserve.

*PLONK*
 
-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#21207

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

>Ed Jay wrote:
>
>> The author had nothing intelligent to add, but felt the need to make
>> comment. :-))
>
>If you actually think it is not intelligent to also allow for private 
>communication in a public communications medium; if you think that it is 
>intelligent instead to burden others with the results of your anti-social 
>behavior, then there is nothing left to discuss with you indeed.
>
>I can only hope that other people here, too, are intelligent enough to 
>deprive you of the answers to your questions, the solutions to your 
>problems, and the time that would have to be invested by them into devising 
>and wording those, which you evidently do not deserve.
>
>*PLONK*
> 
Thank you...I only hope you keep your word and not respond to me
further...ever.

-- 
Ed Jay (remove 'M' to reply by email)

Win the War Against Breast Cancer.
Knowing the facts could save your life. 
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#21240

In comp.lang.javascript message <2bfo29tuto68rk4vv8rmhu7g5fh00d14pp@4ax.
com>, Sun, 8 Sep 2013 10:04:00, John Harris
<niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> posted:

>
>The author thinks it only takes 10 minutes to select and delete
>several hundred spam emails.

When I used Demon WebMail, I could get up to 200 per minute, IIRC - mail
details displayed one per line, 50 per page, alphabetical by recipient,
only a few beginnings for old but legitimate names and the rest of the
names derived from  old message-IDs.  Real mail arrived by another
route.  No need, of course, to open any.

-- 
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   Web  <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.
 Proper <= 4-line sig. separator as above, a line exactly "-- " (SonOfRFC1036)
 Do not Mail News to me. Before a reply, quote with ">" or "> " (SonOfRFC1036)

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#21246

On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 19:56:55 +0100, Dr J R Stockton
<reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

>In comp.lang.javascript message <2bfo29tuto68rk4vv8rmhu7g5fh00d14pp@4ax.
>com>, Sun, 8 Sep 2013 10:04:00, John Harris
><niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> posted:
>
>>
>>The author thinks it only takes 10 minutes to select and delete
>>several hundred spam emails.
>
>When I used Demon WebMail, I could get up to 200 per minute, IIRC - mail
>details displayed one per line, 50 per page, alphabetical by recipient,
>only a few beginnings for old but legitimate names and the rest of the
>names derived from  old message-IDs.  Real mail arrived by another
>route.  No need, of course, to open any.

That's the spam blitz I was thinking of. In my case I had to look down
the screen very carefully to avoid deleting real mail. That's what
took the time.

  John

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#21195

On 07.09.2013 15:18, Ed Jay wrote:
> Thanks. That's the answer I was hoping for.

Your welcome. And don't mind the cave trolls. They live here and have 
noting to do but to attack constuctive posts and not contribute with any 
them self but negativity (the major reason Usenet is of so low quality) :-)

It was tested with Firefox and Chrome btw. Just use this link: 
http://jsfiddle.net/acwHQ/ and open console to see if you get valid 
result with your browser.


-- 
Ken Fyrstenberg
Abdias Software
http://abdiassoftware.com/
(remove usenet- from address)

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#21210

In comp.lang.javascript message <k8im29d9ajaespd888g0se3fhhj589u4kg@4ax.
com>, Sat, 7 Sep 2013 08:45:14, Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com> posted:

>I'm being told to us the identifier:
>document.getElementById("foo_box").whatever;
>
>instead of:
>document.forms['form'].elements['foo_box'].whatever;
>
>Why?

Even the simple-minded can, in simple cases, get the former to work.

But, for those capable of making proper use of it, the structured
approach is better, if sensibly applied.

Commonly, a script will make a number of references to elements in one
form before going on to another; so instead of writing

  ... = document.forms['form'].elements['foo_box'].this
  ... = document.forms['form'].elements['foo_box'].that
...
  document.forms['form'].elements['foo_box'].tother = ...

one would first think of writing

  F = document.forms['form']
  ... = F.elements['foo_box'].this
  ... = F.elements['foo_box'].that
...
  F.elements['foo_box'].tother = ...

and then

  X = F.elements['foo_box']

and so on.

Then one can have a set of similar forms, similarly generated, which can
be handled with one set of code which is given a reference to the
current form.  Consider a case such as
<http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/holidays.htm>, and its function MakeForm
(Aside : the page was written before I knew about building DOM tree
branches with function calls).  While there, check if possible your
local holidays.

You should not name a form 'form'.  It may be perfectly legal script.
but it makes editing harder, since a simple search for 'form' will find
both, and possibly "forms" and "Inform" too.  Call it "Frm" and that
problem cannot occur.

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK.   E-mail, see Home Page.    Turnpike v6.05.
 Website  <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms
 PAS EXE etc. : <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/> - see in 00index.htm
 Dates - miscdate.htm estrdate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc.

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#21212

Dr J R Stockton wrote:

>In comp.lang.javascript message <k8im29d9ajaespd888g0se3fhhj589u4kg@4ax.
>com>, Sat, 7 Sep 2013 08:45:14, Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com> posted:
>
>>I'm being told to us the identifier:
>>document.getElementById("foo_box").whatever;
>>
>>instead of:
>>document.forms['form'].elements['foo_box'].whatever;
>>
>>Why?
>
>Even the simple-minded can, in simple cases, get the former to work.
>
>But, for those capable of making proper use of it, the structured
>approach is better, if sensibly applied.
>
>Commonly, a script will make a number of references to elements in one
>form before going on to another; so instead of writing
>
>  ... = document.forms['form'].elements['foo_box'].this
>  ... = document.forms['form'].elements['foo_box'].that
>...
>  document.forms['form'].elements['foo_box'].tother = ...
>
>one would first think of writing
>
>  F = document.forms['form']
>  ... = F.elements['foo_box'].this
>  ... = F.elements['foo_box'].that
>...
>  F.elements['foo_box'].tother = ...
>
>and then
>
>  X = F.elements['foo_box']
>
>and so on.
>
>Then one can have a set of similar forms, similarly generated, which can
>be handled with one set of code which is given a reference to the
>current form.  Consider a case such as
><http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/holidays.htm>, and its function MakeForm
>(Aside : the page was written before I knew about building DOM tree
>branches with function calls).  While there, check if possible your
>local holidays.
>
>You should not name a form 'form'.  It may be perfectly legal script.
>but it makes editing harder, since a simple search for 'form' will find
>both, and possibly "forms" and "Inform" too.  Call it "Frm" and that
>problem cannot occur.

Thank you! Very much.

-- 
Ed Jay (remove 'M' to reply by email)

Win the War Against Breast Cancer.
Knowing the facts could save your life. 
http://www.breastthermography.info

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