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  The Future Dr J R Stockton <reply1217@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid> - 2012-04-25 19:37 +0100
    Re: The Future "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-04-25 18:24 -0600
      Re: The Future "Evertjan." <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net> - 2012-04-26 07:20 +0000
    Re: The Future Justin C <justin.1203@purestblue.com> - 2012-04-26 12:41 +0100
      Re: The Future Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-04-26 08:58 -0400
        Re: The Future A.Reader <anonymously@example.com> - 2012-04-26 13:09 -0400
    Re: The Future Swifty <steve.j.swift@gmail.com> - 2012-04-26 15:01 +0100

#13587 — The Future

Usenet News is rapidly dwindling.  Major ISPs have dropped or outsourced
news-serving.  Open unmoderated systems needing special software will
not survive on a used-by-all broadband Internet.

Google could have made a good job of something very like News, but did
not.

Can we move to a more modern system, accessible by browser and without
too much advertising and bad formatting?  Can one be recommended, etc.
etc.?

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, nr London UK  ?@merlyn.demon.co.uk  IE8 FF8 Op11 Sf5 Cr15
   news:comp.lang.javascript FAQ <http://www.jibbering.com/faq/index.html>.
   <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-index.htm> jscr maths, dates, sources.
   <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> TP/BP/Delphi/jscr/&c, FAQ items, links.

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#13589

Dr. J R:

    I don't want it to change !!!

    I'm very happy with my Outlook Express 6 on my Win XP Pro machine 
reading all the posts from you gurus (even though I don't learn much)

    But, I'll turn out the lights when you folks finally drift away :((

-Mel Smith

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#13596

Mel Smith wrote on 26 apr 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:
>     I don't want it to change !!!

It?
 
> Dr. J R:

Please keep your urge to email someone off this NG.

If you want to respond on something in the NG, 
quote the essence of the source,
so that we know wat you are concerned about.

>     I'm very happy with my Outlook Express 6 on my Win XP Pro machine 
> reading all the posts from you gurus (even though I don't learn much)

Some people don't want to learn, indeed, that's their privilege.

I personally cannot imagine 
that reading from this NG without learning is something to be happy with.
 
>     But, I'll turn out the lights when you folks finally drift away :((

Is Dr J.R. "you folks"?

===========

Using a good newsreader, 
and not simply a programme that that you are happy about,
but is not even a newsreader, 
will help.

You do not need any ambient lights to read this NG, 
a good monitor will suffice,
unless you read this on Amazon's Kindle alikes.

Ik doubt your ancient Outlook is Kindle capable.

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#13604

On 2012-04-25, Dr J R Stockton <reply1217@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid> wrote:
>
> Usenet News is rapidly dwindling.  Major ISPs have dropped or outsourced
> news-serving.  Open unmoderated systems needing special software will
> not survive on a used-by-all broadband Internet.
>
> Google could have made a good job of something very like News, but did
> not.
>
> Can we move to a more modern system, accessible by browser and without
> too much advertising and bad formatting?  Can one be recommended, etc.
> etc.?

Web forums are lousy when compared to usenet, but they do have 
better article retention - even so, I still hate them and very 
rarely use those to which I've signed up. Long live usenet!

   Justin.

-- 
Justin C, by the sea.

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#13608

In article <tson69-bs1.ln1@zem.masonsmusic.co.uk>,
 Justin C <justin.1203@purestblue.com> wrote:

> On 2012-04-25, Dr J R Stockton <reply1217@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Usenet News is rapidly dwindling.  Major ISPs have dropped or outsourced
> > news-serving.  Open unmoderated systems needing special software will
> > not survive on a used-by-all broadband Internet.
> >
> > Google could have made a good job of something very like News, but did
> > not.
> >
> > Can we move to a more modern system, accessible by browser and without
> > too much advertising and bad formatting?  Can one be recommended, etc.
> > etc.?
> 
> Web forums are lousy when compared to usenet, but they do have 
> better article retention - even so, I still hate them and very 
> rarely use those to which I've signed up. Long live usenet!

Agreed.  Are there any web forums with the equivalent of killfiles?  
Some allow you to ignore posters, but I haven't been on any that let you 
filter out whole threads.  Good newsreaders offer extensive filtering 
options (I don't even use most of the capabilities of MT-Newswatcher, 
but what I do is still far more than I've seen in forums).

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#13614

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:58:08 -0400,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

>Agreed.  Are there any web forums with the equivalent of killfiles?  
>Some allow you to ignore posters, but I haven't been on any that let you 
>filter out whole threads.  Good newsreaders offer extensive filtering 
>options (I don't even use most of the capabilities of MT-Newswatcher, 
>but what I do is still far more than I've seen in forums).

Yes, forum software exists that allows killfiling people,,
threads, and entire topic areas (~= newsgroups).  And forum
software has a myriad of other features, too, not least the
ability to do more than plain text.

Usenet newsgroups are really just email at bottom, and as such
rather primitive.   They're descended (quite a long way, imo)
from PLATO's gnotes of sainted memory.  Current web-forum
software is already more than an order of magnitude better than
gnotes ever was, and there're new features being added all the
time.  The major downside is the bandwidth cost -- something true
of Usenet too, though Usenet obfuscates it.  

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#13610

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:37:37 +0100, Dr J R Stockton
<reply1217@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid> wrote:

>Can we move to a more modern system, accessible by browser

I've seen several attempts to move from a news-like system to a
browser based system. 

It's very effective. 90% of the people who know what they are doing
are never seen again. Leaving you with people like me, trying to
answer the questions.

I think this the exact scenario for which the phrase
"user-friendly=expert-unfriendly" was created.

-- 
Steve Swift
http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
http://www.ringers.org.uk

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