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  Re: -2 ** 2 Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2017-05-04 14:13 +0000
    Re: -2 ** 2 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-05-04 16:56 +0100
      Re: -2 ** 2 Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-05-04 12:08 -0500
      Re: -2 ** 2 John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-05-04 20:02 +0100
      Re: -2 ** 2 Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2017-05-04 23:44 +0000
        Re: -2 ** 2 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-05-05 09:16 +0200
          Re: -2 ** 2 John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-05-05 09:56 +0100
            Re: -2 ** 2 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-05-05 11:16 +0200
              Re: -2 ** 2 John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-05-06 10:27 +0100
                Re: -2 ** 2 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-05-06 11:42 +0200
    Re: -2 ** 2 Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2017-05-04 11:01 -0500
    Re: -2 ** 2 Sam E <why.should.this@be.email.invalid> - 2017-05-04 12:04 -0500
      Re: -2 ** 2 John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-05-04 19:29 +0100
        Re: -2 ** 2 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-05-04 19:51 +0100
          Re: -2 ** 2 John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-05-05 09:41 +0100
          Re: -2 ** 2 Tim Slattery <tim@risingdove.com> - 2017-05-05 11:02 -0400
            Re: -2 ** 2 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-05-05 17:47 +0200
            Re: -2 ** 2 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-05-05 16:49 +0100
              Re: -2 ** 2 Tim Slattery <tim@risingdove.com> - 2017-05-06 11:21 -0400
                Re: -2 ** 2 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-05-06 19:04 +0200
                  Re: -2 ** 2 Tim Slattery <tim@risingdove.com> - 2017-05-07 12:40 -0400
                    Re: -2 ** 2 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-05-07 20:35 +0200
                  Re: -2 ** 2 RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2017-05-10 17:46 -0700
                    Re: -2 ** 2 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-05-11 03:00 +0200
            Re: -2 ** 2 Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-05-05 23:20 -0500
            Re: -2 ** 2 Dr J R Stockton <reply1700@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2017-05-08 23:19 +0100
        Re: -2 ** 2 Dr J R Stockton <reply1700@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2017-05-08 23:16 +0100
          Re: -2 ** 2 "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2017-05-09 09:55 -0700
          Re: -2 ** 2 Dr J R Stockton <reply1700@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2017-05-10 17:39 +0100
            Re: -2 ** 2 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-05-11 03:08 +0200

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#33250

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:


>That might have to do with the fact that the United States of America 
>*originated from British colonies*…

Of course

>(Good grief.  I am not a citizen of the USA and know more about its history 
>than you.  

Don't bet on it.

No surprise that DeVos managed to become Secretary of Education…)
>
>> No doubt whoever drafted our 8th (George Mason, I thin?)
>
>_James Madison_ (later 4th POTUS)

He was strongly influence by Mason, who was a delegate to the
Constitutional Convention, but refused to sign the document because it
had no declaration of rights. Madison's product had much to do with
Mason's Virginia Declaration of Rights.

-- 
Tim Slattery
tim <at> risingdove <dot> com

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#33252

Tim Slattery wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>>> No doubt whoever drafted our 8th (George Mason, I thin?)
>>_James Madison_ (later 4th POTUS)
> 
> He was strongly influence by Mason,

That is correct, in a sense:

> who was a delegate to the Constitutional Convention, but refused to sign
> the document because it had no declaration of rights. Madison's product
> had much to do with Mason's Virginia Declaration of Rights.

Mason drafted the Virginia Declaration of Rights based on the English Bill 
of Rights, and Madison was influenced by that.  However, Madison also knew 
well the English Bill of Rights, among other historical documents of state, 
and you asked who drafted the *amendmends*; that was Madison, not Mason.
(See also the reference I gave.)
 
-- 
PointedEars

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#33268

On Sunday, May 7, 2017 at 3:04:49 AM UTC+10, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
[...]
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#Settlements> pp.
> 
[...]
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights#Crafting_amendments> 

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academic_use>

-- 
Rob

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#33270

RobG wrote:

> On Sunday, May 7, 2017 at 3:04:49 AM UTC+10, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> wrote:
> [...]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#Settlements> pp.
>> 
> [...]
>> 
>> 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights#Crafting_amendments>
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academic_use>

(Are you debating that the United States started out as British colonies 
[which was my point]?  *Really*?)

*Read* that.  Read the references in what I referred to, and read

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia> (and note the 
references therein)

and

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability>
 
F'up2 poster

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#33230

On 05/05/2017 10:02 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
>> nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689
>
> 1689? The Bill of Rights became part of the constitution on December
> 15, 1791.
>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Why doesn't God behave in such a way as to be worthy of worship?"
[Barry O'Grady, bary@it.com.au]

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#33256

In comp.lang.javascript message <vq4pgch7qi0t27p9io6u7569mkv0u5fh6l@4ax.
com>, Fri, 5 May 2017 11:02:38, Tim Slattery <tim@risingdove.com>
posted:

>Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>>"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
>>nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689
>
>1689? The Bill of Rights became part of the constitution on December
>15, 1791.

1791 was a mere re-statement or amendment of 1689, which was inherited
in, IIRC, 1776 unless stated otherwise.

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK.  ¬@merlyn.demon.co.uk   Turnpike v6.05   MIME.
 Merlyn Web Site <                       > - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.

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#33255

In comp.lang.javascript message <vksmgcp498jf6afkpqavb926g2rhaoj6uh@4ax.
com>, Thu, 4 May 2017 19:29:07, John G Harris
<niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> posted:

>On Thu, 4 May 2017 12:04:12 -0500, Sam E
><why.should.this@be.email.invalid> wrote:
>
>  <snip>
>>(EVERY number has 2 square roots).
>
>0 doesn't :-)

Javascript has two zeroes.  One is positive and the other is negative.
They are equal in value; but it seems that (in Firefox & Chrome in WinXP
on PC:) they have different square roots of equal value but different
sign - at least, the following expression returns false :-
                1/Math.sqrt(-0) == 1/Math.sqrt(+0)
That might represent a bug in ECMA 262 or its implementation.


Math.sqrt is not the only thing in JavaScript which can return -0 ; some
while ago now, it became evident here that The Great Panjandrum Himself
was inadequately aware of that, when the ability was at least useful and
perhaps almost indispensable.

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK.  ¬@merlyn.demon.co.uk   Turnpike v6.05   MIME.
 Merlyn Web Site <                       > - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.

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#33258

Dr J R Stockton wrote:
> Javascript has two zeroes.  One is positive and the other is negative.
> They are equal in value; but it seems that (in Firefox & Chrome in WinXP
> on PC:) they have different square roots of equal value but different
> sign - at least, the following expression returns false :-
>                 1/Math.sqrt(-0) == 1/Math.sqrt(+0)
> That might represent a bug in ECMA 262 or its implementation.
> 
> Math.sqrt is not the only thing in JavaScript which can return -0 ; some
> while ago now, it became evident here that The Great Panjandrum Himself
> was inadequately aware of that, when the ability was at least useful and
> perhaps almost indispensable.
> 

See <http://2ality.com/2012/03/signedzero.html>

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#33264

In comp.lang.javascript message <sqrt-20170509070509@ram.dialup.fu-
berlin.de>, Tue, 9 May 2017 06:06:45, Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-
berlin.de> posted:

>Dr J R Stockton <reply1700@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> writes:
>>sign - at least, the following expression returns false :-
>>1/Math.sqrt(-0) == 1/Math.sqrt(+0)
>
>  Such an expression can also return ›false‹ when both
>  values are equal (i.e., NaN). But you just can look
>  directly at ›Math.sqrt( -0 )‹ in some debuggers:
>
>Math.sqrt( -0 )
>-0
>
>  . (However,
>
>String( Math.sqrt( -0 ))
>"0"
>
>  .) ›Math.sqrt‹ surely is specified so in ECMAScript,
>  and, according to Wikipedia, ›sqrt‹ is specified this
>  way in IEEE 754.


This is a slightly longer demonstration :

alert( 1/Math.sqrt(+0) + " differs greatly from " + 1/Math.sqrt(-0) )

IIRC, the sign of any arbitrary non-NaN Number X, including the zeroes
and the infinities, can be determined by evaluating
                Z  =  X + 1/X
and comparing Z, never smaller than 2, with being greater than or less
than zero.

A JavaScript NaN must possess a sign bit; but the value of that bit is
not discoverable in JavaScript.


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 Merlyn Web Site <                       > - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.

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#33271

Stefan Ram wrote:

>   This program also shows that JavaScript can be used to
>   /script Java/.

1. No, it does not.  You are using Java to execute JavaScript
   code, which is the opposite of that.

2. Tell news.

   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPAPI#LiveConnect> (pp.)

>   That must be why it's called »JavaScript«!

Nonsense.  Read, e.g., my thesis.

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