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Maintainer of the FAQ

Started byAsen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com>
First post2012-11-19 13:00 -0800
Last post2012-12-23 19:13 +0000
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  Maintainer of the FAQ Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 13:00 -0800
    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 13:34 -0800
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2012-11-20 01:25 -0800
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-11-20 13:39 +0100
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> - 2012-11-20 11:24 -0800
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-21 19:19 +0000
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-22 14:09 +1100
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-20 19:50 +0000
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-11-20 19:56 -0800
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-11-21 11:24 +0100
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-22 23:34 +0000
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-11-23 11:07 -0800
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-24 18:30 +0000
    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ jim.ley@gmail.com - 2012-11-22 03:06 -0800
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> - 2012-11-22 07:15 -0800
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Martin Leese <please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID> - 2012-11-22 08:48 -0700
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-23 20:00 +0000
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-11-24 10:36 +0100
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-25 19:16 +0000
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-11-26 10:18 +0000
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-11-26 12:50 +0200
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2012-11-30 14:23 -0500
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-01 09:24 +0000
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2012-12-01 08:45 -0500
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-12-01 16:17 +0200
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-12 19:30 -0800
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-01 18:50 +0100
    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-02 19:25 +0100
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-02 21:31 +0100
    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> - 2012-12-05 03:48 -0800
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-05 12:55 +0100
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-12-05 14:52 +0200
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-06 06:16 +1100
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2012-12-05 16:56 -0500
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-12-06 00:20 +0200
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-05 14:47 -0800
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-06 07:11 -0800
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 08:37 -0800
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-06 17:50 +0100
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 08:57 -0800
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-06 18:32 +0100
                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 10:34 -0800
                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-07 11:05 +0000
                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-07 07:21 -0800
                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-11 09:01 -0800
                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-12 19:37 -0800
                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2012-12-07 11:24 -0500
                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-11 09:00 -0800
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-07 20:54 +0000
                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-12-08 03:42 +0100
                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2012-12-08 02:53 +0000
                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-09 16:43 +0000
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-07 11:16 +0000
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-08 18:45 +0000
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-06 10:40 -0800
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-06 15:16 +0000
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 08:48 -0800
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-12-06 18:31 +0000
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-06 23:06 +0000
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 16:24 -0800
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-08 18:06 +0000
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 01:29 +0100
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-12-05 22:24 +0000
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-05 23:36 +0100
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 00:35 +0100
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-07 10:45 +1100
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 16:01 -0800
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-07 21:00 +0000
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-12-08 10:17 +0000
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 01:12 +0100
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 23:22 +0100
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-08 04:46 +0100
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-08 15:56 +0000
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-08 09:00 -0800
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2012-12-08 17:54 +0000
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-08 20:53 +0100
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 11:02 +0100
                    Functions in JavaScript vs. mathematics & the name "JavaScript" "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-12-08 23:31 +0200
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Mike Duffy <Use_guestbook_page@website.in.sig> - 2012-12-09 02:02 +0000
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-08 23:12 -0800
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-09 16:44 +0000
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2012-12-10 01:30 -0500
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-08 16:04 +0000
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-08 08:37 -0800
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-08 21:34 +0100
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-08 21:49 +0100
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-09 11:05 +0000
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-12-06 03:24 +0100
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-06 16:09 +0100
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-06 15:23 +0000
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-06 17:44 +0100
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-07 15:03 +0000
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 09:05 -0800
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-12-06 18:59 +0100
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-12-06 19:24 +0100
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-06 19:26 +0100
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 14:11 -0800
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-07 03:07 +0100
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 18:36 -0800
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-07 04:11 +0100
                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 20:26 -0800
                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-07 20:40 +1100
                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-07 01:58 -0800
                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-07 14:32 +0100
                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-07 07:22 -0800
                                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 11:19 -0800
                                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-07 21:11 +0100
                                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-07 16:19 -0800
                                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-08 18:33 +0000
                                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-08 22:14 -0800
                                        FAQ source format (was: Maintainer of the FAQ) Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 13:56 +0100
                                          Re: FAQ source format Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-09 08:09 -0800
                                            Re: FAQ source format Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 19:12 -0800
                                            Re: FAQ source format Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-10 20:49 +0000
                                          Re: FAQ source format (was: Maintainer of the FAQ) Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 18:59 -0800
                                            Re: FAQ source format Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-09 20:13 -0800
                                              Re: FAQ source format Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 20:50 -0800
                                          Re: FAQ source format (was: Maintainer of the FAQ) Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-10 20:41 +0000
                                            Re: FAQ source format (was: Maintainer of the FAQ) Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-10 18:09 -0800
                                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-09 07:06 -0800
                                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 19:12 -0800
                                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-09 20:11 -0800
                                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-10 20:32 +0000
                                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-10 17:53 -0800
                                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-12 21:07 +0000
                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2012-12-12 21:52 -0500
                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-13 16:05 +0000
                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-15 00:40 +0000
                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-13 08:09 -0800
                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-15 00:40 +0000
                                                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-15 11:02 -0800
                                                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-16 17:58 +0000
                                                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-17 11:22 +0100
                                                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-17 10:40 -0800
                                                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-17 20:05 +0100
                                                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-18 00:31 +0100
                                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Osmo Saarikumpu <osmo@weppipakki.com> - 2012-12-18 10:18 +0200
                                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-18 13:38 +0100
                                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-18 14:59 +0100
                                                                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-18 16:33 +0000
                                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-18 09:26 -0800
                                                                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-18 23:09 +0100
                                                                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-18 23:47 +0100
                                                                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-18 15:21 -0800
                                                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-18 16:32 +0000
                                                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-18 08:11 -0800
                                                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-19 18:26 +0000
                                                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 06:55 -0800
                                                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-21 15:46 +0100
                                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-21 06:59 -0800
                                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 08:27 -0800
                                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-21 19:12 +0100
                                                                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-21 15:30 -0800
                                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 08:24 -0800
                                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-21 19:09 +0100
                                                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-21 20:21 +0000
                                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-22 08:58 -0800
                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-14 08:01 +1100
                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Adam Silver <adambsilver@gmail.com> - 2012-12-14 00:28 -0800
                                                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-15 23:25 +0000
                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-15 00:39 +0000
                                                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-16 00:23 +1100
                                                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-15 15:00 +0100
                                                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Osmo Saarikumpu <osmo@weppipakki.com> - 2012-12-16 17:14 +0200
                                                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-17 18:33 +0000
                                                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-16 17:32 +0000
                                                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-16 17:24 +0000
                                                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-18 17:15 +1100
                                                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-19 18:57 +0000
                                                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Osmo Saarikumpu <osmo@weppipakki.com> - 2012-12-27 23:03 +0200
                                                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-28 11:14 +1100
                                                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-28 09:12 +0100
                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-08 18:24 +0000
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-12-07 10:11 +0000
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-13 09:25 -0800
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-14 07:26 +1100
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-13 21:45 +0100
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-07 21:06 +0000
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-08 02:45 +0100
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-08 13:30 +1100
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-09 17:00 +0000
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-12-08 10:14 +0000
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-05 09:03 -0800
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-05 18:39 +0100
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-05 11:56 -0800
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-05 12:30 -0800
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-06 08:54 +1100
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-05 23:38 +0100
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2012-12-13 14:18 -0500
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-15 00:09 +0000
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-16 01:54 +0100
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-17 18:32 +0000
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-18 07:06 -0800
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-18 17:54 +0100
                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-18 11:38 -0800
                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-18 12:50 -0800
                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-18 23:23 +0100
                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-18 19:46 -0800
                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-19 18:10 +0100
                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 11:31 -0800
                                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-19 22:54 +0100
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 16:36 +0100
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-05 22:49 +0100
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-06 23:21 +0000
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-06 15:08 +0000
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 01:01 +0100
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Adam Silver <adambsilver@gmail.com> - 2012-12-06 07:40 -0800
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-06 23:51 +0000
    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2012-12-08 02:19 +0000
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-12-08 03:57 +0100
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2012-12-08 03:06 +0000
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-08 09:34 +0100
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2012-12-08 13:36 +0000
    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-22 16:19 +1100
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-22 08:59 -0800
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-23 13:38 +1100
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-12-23 10:49 +0200
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-23 16:58 -0800
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1252@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-24 21:03 +0000
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-27 09:33 -0800
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1252@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-28 21:33 +0000
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-28 11:16 +1100
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-28 09:08 +0000
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-28 22:01 +1100
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-28 11:26 +0000
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-23 19:13 +0000

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#17526

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2012-12-06 18:32 +0100
Message-ID<3531132.oDC91ce39K@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#17524
Patricia Shanahan wrote:

> On 12/6/2012 8:50 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>> There are no dialect differences.  There are different implementations of
>> the same standard, which have a different name each, and then different
>> versions of each of those implementations.
>>
>>> I was well aware of dialect differences […]
>>
>> You have a major misconception there.
> 
> I have a set of lectures about linguistics on DVD. This argument is
> exactly the same as the one that happens for natural languages. Some
> dialects of Arabic are more different from each other than the
> Scandinavian languages that are considered distinct languages.

Apples and oranges.


PointedEars
-- 
Use any version of Microsoft Frontpage to create your site.
(This won't prevent people from viewing your source, but no one
will want to steal it.)
  -- from <http://www.vortex-webdesign.com/help/hidesource.htm> (404-comp.)

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#17531

FromPatricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
Date2012-12-06 10:34 -0800
Message-ID<39KdnedS3_fXeF3NnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#17526
On 12/6/2012 9:32 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>
>> On 12/6/2012 8:50 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>> There are no dialect differences.  There are different implementations of
>>> the same standard, which have a different name each, and then different
>>> versions of each of those implementations.
>>>
>>>> I was well aware of dialect differences […]
>>>
>>> You have a major misconception there.
>>
>> I have a set of lectures about linguistics on DVD. This argument is
>> exactly the same as the one that happens for natural languages. Some
>> dialects of Arabic are more different from each other than the
>> Scandinavian languages that are considered distinct languages.
>
> Apples and oranges.

To me, the dialect analogy seems very useful. I'm writing one program
that is meant to run on several different browsers, including at least
one recent browser on each of several platforms. What should I call the
language in which I'm writing it?

Thinking of it as being in a language called something like
"Javascript", but having to be limited to the common subset of several
dialects is a practical model. I can investigate questions like "Does
the IE 9 dialect support this feature?". I don't care about the IE 8
dialect because that is not one of the browsers I plan to support.

How would my thinking about my program be improved, preferably
simplified, by dropping the dialect model? What language should I think
of it as being written in?

Patricia


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#17557

FromJohn G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk>
Date2012-12-07 11:05 +0000
Message-ID<XrtQLNFf1cwQFwbD@J.A830F0FF37FB96852AD08924D9443D28E23ED5CD>
In reply to#17531
On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 at 10:34:53, in comp.lang.javascript, Patricia
Shanahan wrote:

  <snip>
>I don't care about the IE 8
>dialect because that is not one of the browsers I plan to support.
  <snip>

... and therefore Win XP is not one of the OSs you plan to support. (I
hope you knew that).

  John
-- 
John Harris

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#17562

FromPatricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
Date2012-12-07 07:21 -0800
Message-ID<yOWdnaRVKMgJlF_NnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#17557
On 12/7/2012 3:05 AM, John G Harris wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 at 10:34:53, in comp.lang.javascript, Patricia
> Shanahan wrote:
>
>    <snip>
>> I don't care about the IE 8
>> dialect because that is not one of the browsers I plan to support.
>    <snip>
>
> ... and therefore Win XP is not one of the OSs you plan to support. (I
> hope you knew that).

Yes, I'm mainly concerned with portable devices. Admittedly, my oldest
working laptop is WindowsXP, but it seems very large and heavy for its
compute power. Not something I would use other than to have Internet
access at another armchair in my house.

Patricia

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#17678

FromPatricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
Date2012-12-11 09:01 -0800
Message-ID<3_CdnRqnPq-8-lrNnZ2dnUVZ_q4AAAAA@earthlink.com>
In reply to#17562
On 12/7/2012 7:21 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> On 12/7/2012 3:05 AM, John G Harris wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 at 10:34:53, in comp.lang.javascript, Patricia
>> Shanahan wrote:
>>
>>    <snip>
>>> I don't care about the IE 8
>>> dialect because that is not one of the browsers I plan to support.
>>    <snip>
>>
>> ... and therefore Win XP is not one of the OSs you plan to support. (I
>> hope you knew that).
>
> Yes, I'm mainly concerned with portable devices. Admittedly, my oldest
> working laptop is WindowsXP, but it seems very large and heavy for its
> compute power. Not something I would use other than to have Internet
> access at another armchair in my house.

Incidentally, I answered this from the point of view of the assumption
that most Windows XP users do use IE. It is worth noting that I do most
of my development and initial testing on a Windows XP machine - I use
Firefox as my preferred browser.

Patricia

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#17690

FromGene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
Date2012-12-12 19:37 -0800
Message-ID<d9jic89vk9blujff7stiq5sqs8496lfd46@4ax.com>
In reply to#17678
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:01:53 -0800, Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
wrote:

[snip]

>Incidentally, I answered this from the point of view of the assumption
>that most Windows XP users do use IE. It is worth noting that I do most
>of my development and initial testing on a Windows XP machine - I use
>Firefox as my preferred browser.

     Sister!

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#17564

FromMatt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca>
Date2012-12-07 11:24 -0500
Message-ID<alpine.DEB.2.02.1212071116250.2256@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
In reply to#17531
On Thu, 6 Dec 2012, Patricia Shanahan wrote:

> Thinking of it as being in a language called something like
> "Javascript", but having to be limited to the common subset of several
> dialects is a practical model. I can investigate questions like "Does
> the IE 9 dialect support this feature?". I don't care about the IE 8
> dialect because that is not one of the browsers I plan to support.

What would "support" entail? Unless one is using an unstable
technology or has leapt feet-first onto the HTML 5 train, IE 8 is a
relatively easy browser to support. Of the browsers that I have
tested, IE 5 is "difficult".

Regardless, one should not be determining "browsers" to exclude; one
should be determining "features"--and corresponding detection--to
exclude.

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#17677

FromPatricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
Date2012-12-11 09:00 -0800
Message-ID<3_CdnRunPq9R-1rNnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#17564
On 12/7/2012 8:24 AM, Matt McDonald wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>
>> Thinking of it as being in a language called something like
>> "Javascript", but having to be limited to the common subset of several
>> dialects is a practical model. I can investigate questions like "Does
>> the IE 9 dialect support this feature?". I don't care about the IE 8
>> dialect because that is not one of the browsers I plan to support.
>
> What would "support" entail? Unless one is using an unstable
> technology or has leapt feet-first onto the HTML 5 train, IE 8 is a
> relatively easy browser to support. Of the browsers that I have
> tested, IE 5 is "difficult".
>
> Regardless, one should not be determining "browsers" to exclude; one
> should be determining "features"--and corresponding detection--to
> exclude.
>

Yes and no. The analysis has to start from looking at features, and
deciding which ones are needed. In some contexts, one can make a
feature-by-feature choice.

In my case, I'm writing an application that would not be useable on a
given browser unless *all* the features the application uses are
supported. If the total work and added code complexity to make the
application work on a given browser is not justified, there is no point
in putting in any workarounds for that browser.

Patricia

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#17579

FromDr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid>
Date2012-12-07 20:54 +0000
Message-ID<S3TS2uN+dlwQFwLs@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>
In reply to#17524
In comp.lang.javascript message <Na2dndPcPuDhU13NnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@earthl
ink.com>, Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:57:04, Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
posted:

>On 12/6/2012 8:50 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>...
>> There are no dialect differences.  There are different implementations of
>> the same standard, which have a different name each, and then different
>> versions of each of those implementations.
>>
>>> I was well aware of dialect differences […]
>>
>> You have a major misconception there.
>
>I have a set of lectures about linguistics on DVD. This argument is
>exactly the same as the one that happens for natural languages. Some
>dialects of Arabic are more different from each other than the
>Scandinavian languages that are considered distinct languages.

Indeed.  A friend living in Oulu once said to me that a traveller needs
to know at most two languages for Scandinavia.  One was Finnish, and the
other was Generalised Scandiwegian.

But there is something for you to learn.  Arguing here with Pointy
wastes everyone's time, not only yours; if you want to do it, use
private E-mail.

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK.  Mail via homepage.  Turnpike v6.05  MIME.
  Web  <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQqish topics, acronyms and links;
  Astro stuff via astron-1.htm, gravity0.htm ; quotings.htm, pascal.htm, etc.
 No Encoding. Quotes before replies. Snip well. Write clearly. Don't Mail News.

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#17589

FromChristoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de>
Date2012-12-08 03:42 +0100
Message-ID<k9u9f4$bfb$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#17579
Dr J R Stockton wrote:
> But there is something for you to learn.  Arguing here with Pointy
> wastes everyone's time, not only yours; if you want to do it, use
> private E-mail.

I wasn't aware that this newsgroup is moderated.  Thanks for clarifying
this issue.

BTW: shouldn't "E-mail" be spelled "email" or "e-mail" in English?

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#17590

FromGood Guy <hello.world@example.com>
Date2012-12-08 02:53 +0000
Message-ID<k9ua2v$cio$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#17589
On 08/12/2012 02:42, Christoph Becker wrote:
> BTW: shouldn't "E-mail" be spelled "email" or "e-mail" in English? 

<http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/email.html>

-- 
Good Guy
Website: http://mytaxsite.co.uk
Website: http://html-css.co.uk
Email: http://mytaxsite.co.uk/contact-us

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#17638

FromDr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid>
Date2012-12-09 16:43 +0000
Message-ID<O4VlVTKg+LxQFwA6@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>
In reply to#17589
In comp.lang.javascript message <k9u9f4$bfb$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Sat, 8
Dec 2012 03:42:49, Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> posted:

>Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>> But there is something for you to learn.  Arguing here with Pointy
>> wastes everyone's time, not only yours; if you want to do it, use
>> private E-mail.
>
>I wasn't aware that this newsgroup is moderated.  Thanks for clarifying
>this issue.

It is not; and you evidently do not understand Usenet moderation. We
rely on the common sense of the readers, and we point out where that is
lacking.

>BTW: shouldn't "E-mail" be spelled "email" or "e-mail" in English?

No.  Do not confuse the language used to the Far West of Europe with
real English, such as educated Danes write.

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK.  ?@merlyn.demon.co.uk   Turnpike v6.05   MIME.
   Web  <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.

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#17558

FromJohn G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk>
Date2012-12-07 11:16 +0000
Message-ID<MacGX1HYAdwQFwqa@J.A830F0FF37FB96852AD08924D9443D28E23ED5CD>
In reply to#17523
On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 at 17:50:17, in comp.lang.javascript, Thomas
'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

  <snip>
>There are no dialect differences.  There are different implementations of
>the same standard, which have a different name each, and then different
>versions of each of those implementations.
  <snip>

This is another Thomasism.

There is no *one* 'same standard' for the language(s). The ECMAScript
standard is useless on it's own. You need an array of DOM standards to
do anything useful, plus implementation info for each product, plus
rumours of 'well-known' undocumented features.

  John
-- 
John Harris

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#17617

FromDr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid>
Date2012-12-08 18:45 +0000
Message-ID<9tv5wJQOr4wQFwem@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>
In reply to#17558
In comp.lang.javascript message <MacGX1HYAdwQFwqa@J.A830F0FF37FB96852AD0
8924D9443D28E23ED5CD>, Fri, 7 Dec 2012 11:16:40, John G Harris
<john@nospam.demon.co.uk> posted:

>There is no *one* 'same standard' for the language(s).

Wrong.  There is ECMA 262, which defines the language.

>The ECMAScript
>standard is useless on it's own.

Correct, apart from the apostrophe.

> You need an array of DOM standards to
>do anything useful,

Basically true but seemingly exaggerated.  Cannot a one-element array
suffice for anything useful?

> plus implementation info for each product,

Which, for an Intranet or for an HTA, etc., can be a single product and
even a single version.

> plus
>rumours of 'well-known' undocumented features.

Is it generally necessary to use such features?

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, nr London UK. E-addr via Homepage. Turnpike v6.05  MIME.
   <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/>  TP/BP/Delphi/&c., FAQqy topics & links;
   <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/clpb-faq.txt>    RAH Prins : c.l.p.b mFAQ.

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#17532

FromScott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com>
Date2012-12-06 10:40 -0800
Message-ID<dd4a0dee-eaef-4bea-990f-9515694fbe27@u19g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#17520
Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> Scott Sauyet wrote:
>> Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>
>>> So far, I have found no practical use for the information that the
>>> standard name is ECMAScript. It has not been relevant to any decision
>>> I've needed to make. I expect sooner or later I'll find it useful, but
>>> it was not high on the list of things I really needed to know to get
>>> started programming in JavaScript.
>
>> I am not one of those who has been stressing that point; quite the
>> opposite, I would say.  But I hope that is not what you heard from
>> those making the point.  It's not really a matter of the name.  The
>> main point being made is that there is no single language here, but a
>> group of languages that to a greater or lesser degree adhere to the
>> standard published by Ecma International.  For a great deal of our
>> discussion the differences between these related languages makes no
>> practical difference.  But there are times when the differences can
>> become critical.
>
> The problem with this position is that there are major dialect
> differences between e.g. what IE 8 supports and what IE 9 supports, with
> no change of language name. For that reason, it never occurred to me
> that insistence on not calling Javascript "Javascript" had anything at
> all to do with the critical issue of dialect differences.

That's why I was pointing it out.  Although I can't speak for those in
that camp, I'm fairly certain I've captured their rationale here.

> [ ... ]
>  From a dialect point of view, saying "There is no Javascript" makes as
> much, and as little, sense to me as saying "There is no Fortran". The
> Javascript dialects have as much in common as e.g. VMS Fortran and
> Fortran 90.

I agree.  And versions of LISP vary much more.

There is the additional issue of an old copyright on "JavaScript", but
that's minor.

  -- Scott

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#17517

FromJohn G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk>
Date2012-12-06 15:16 +0000
Message-ID<HxAwa9DabLwQFwpw@J.A830F0FF37FB96852AD08924D9443D28E23ED5CD>
In reply to#17510
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 at 14:47:11, in comp.lang.javascript, Patricia 
Shanahan wrote:

   <snip>
>So far, I have found no practical use for the information that the
>standard name is ECMAScript. It has not been relevant to any decision
>I've needed to make. I expect sooner or later I'll find it useful, but
>it was not high on the list of things I really needed to know to get
>started programming in JavaScript.
>
   <snip>

There are two different cases here.

If you use 'JavaScript' to mean anything other than the Mozilla product 
then Thomas will say you're wrong, which is true, but he will make you 
feel you've been slapped in the face.

If you use 'javascript' when making a general remark that applies to 
JavaScript, JScript, ActionScript, etc then he will call you ignorant, a 
fool, an idiot, and a troll.

Do you think this is reasonable?

   John
-- 
John Harris

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#17522

FromPatricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
Date2012-12-06 08:48 -0800
Message-ID<7Nmdndxi-dDhUV3NnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#17517
On 12/6/2012 7:16 AM, John G Harris wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 at 14:47:11, in comp.lang.javascript, Patricia
> Shanahan wrote:
>
>    <snip>
>> So far, I have found no practical use for the information that the
>> standard name is ECMAScript. It has not been relevant to any decision
>> I've needed to make. I expect sooner or later I'll find it useful, but
>> it was not high on the list of things I really needed to know to get
>> started programming in JavaScript.
>>
>    <snip>
>
> There are two different cases here.
>
> If you use 'JavaScript' to mean anything other than the Mozilla product
> then Thomas will say you're wrong, which is true, but he will make you
> feel you've been slapped in the face.
>
> If you use 'javascript' when making a general remark that applies to
> JavaScript, JScript, ActionScript, etc then he will call you ignorant, a
> fool, an idiot, and a troll.
>
> Do you think this is reasonable?

I have enough confidence in my own ability, experience, and education
that I tend to assume that someone who calls me ignorant or a fool just
doesn't know me very well.

I do feel that several newsgroups, this one included, are dying of
impoliteness.

Imagine someone trying Usenet out for the first time. If they get a
kind, helpful, welcoming response they may stay around, ask more
questions, and as they learn start answering questions. That is how
technical discussion fora stay alive.

If they get verbally stomped on, they are going to take their questions,
and their future answers, elsewhere. That is how technical discussion
fora die.

A person asking a question has no "right" to any response, but the
existing participants in a newsgroup have no "right" to interesting
questions to answer or to the contributions of new answerers. I do think
everyone, in any social interaction, has a right to respect, politeness,
and consideration just because they are human beings.

Patricia

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#17530

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2012-12-06 18:31 +0000
Message-ID<timstreater-361748.18310106122012@news.individual.net>
In reply to#17522
In article <7Nmdndxi-dDhUV3NnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> wrote:

> On 12/6/2012 7:16 AM, John G Harris wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 at 14:47:11, in comp.lang.javascript, Patricia
> > Shanahan wrote:
> >
> >    <snip>
> >> So far, I have found no practical use for the information that the
> >> standard name is ECMAScript. It has not been relevant to any decision
> >> I've needed to make. I expect sooner or later I'll find it useful, but
> >> it was not high on the list of things I really needed to know to get
> >> started programming in JavaScript.
> >>
> >    <snip>
> >
> > There are two different cases here.
> >
> > If you use 'JavaScript' to mean anything other than the Mozilla product
> > then Thomas will say you're wrong, which is true, but he will make you
> > feel you've been slapped in the face.
> >
> > If you use 'javascript' when making a general remark that applies to
> > JavaScript, JScript, ActionScript, etc then he will call you ignorant, a
> > fool, an idiot, and a troll.
> >
> > Do you think this is reasonable?
> 
> I have enough confidence in my own ability, experience, and education
> that I tend to assume that someone who calls me ignorant or a fool just
> doesn't know me very well.
> 
> I do feel that several newsgroups, this one included, are dying of
> impoliteness.
> 
> Imagine someone trying Usenet out for the first time. If they get a
> kind, helpful, welcoming response they may stay around, ask more
> questions, and as they learn start answering questions. That is how
> technical discussion fora stay alive.

Quite right. But they won't get that from PointyHead.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#17545

FromDr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid>
Date2012-12-06 23:06 +0000
Message-ID<IBw0L+IyTSwQFw6I@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>
In reply to#17510
In comp.lang.javascript message <LPidnVTnrISXUiLNnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@earthl
ink.com>, Wed, 5 Dec 2012 14:47:11, Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
posted:

>So far, I have found no practical use for the information that the
>standard name is ECMAScript. It has not been relevant to any decision
>I've needed to make.

It is a useful thing to know if one wants to find and read the standard;
most browsers seem to follow ECMA 5th Edn pretty well now, and (except
maybe on a controlled intranet) it would be unwise to use any feature
not in ECMA 5 or one of the early drafts of a successor.

ECMA 5 can be difficult in parts; but it is easy to find answers to a
fair proportion of questions in it.  TL is on record as not having
read/understood/realised/learned an obvious way in which two fairly
simple parts of it of it could be used in conjunction.



A FAQ maintainer needs to be literate in ordinary good English.
A FAQ maintainer needs to be benevolent and tolerant of the errors of
others.
A FAQ maintainer needs to be good at communicating with the less well
informed.
A FAQ maintainer needs to be capable of receiving a specific question
and synthesising a more generic question which answer both that and also
related questions.

The first of those rules out almost everyone educated in what has in the
past been part of the British Empire and Colonies, except for some
Britons over 65 years old, and rules out those from large countries
inside and outside Europe.  It admits those from small European
countries like Denmark & Norway.

As an example of the last of those not occurring : Long ago I asked here
how to write a computed text string into an existing page. The answer
was to use a DIV (or a SPAN; I forget which) with a unique ID, then to
use some specific code like  document.getElementById(ID).innerHTML = S.
That code works, of course, and I used it; but it would have been far
better to write about the various ways of getting a reference to a
general element and the various ways of using such a reference, ending
up with examples including the above.

See <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-faq-u.htm#MaWP> as an
illustration, and RSVP for any corrections needed.

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK.  For Mail, see Home Page.  Turnpike, WinXP.
 Web  <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQ-type topics, acronyms, and links.
 Command-prompt MiniTrue is useful for viewing/searching/altering files. Free,
 DOS/Win/UNIX now 2.0.6; see <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/pc-links.htm>.

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#17548

FromPatricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
Date2012-12-06 16:24 -0800
Message-ID<1MudnQassYPuqlzNnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#17545
On 12/6/2012 3:06 PM, Dr J R Stockton wrote:
...
> A FAQ maintainer needs to be literate in ordinary good English.
...
> The first of those rules out almost everyone educated in what has in the
> past been part of the British Empire and Colonies, except for some
> Britons over 65 years old, and rules out those from large countries
> inside and outside Europe.  It admits those from small European
> countries like Denmark & Norway.

Hmmm. I like to think I'm reasonably literate in my native language,
despite being only 63 and educated, except for my doctorate, in England.

Patricia

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