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| Started by | Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> |
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| First post | 2017-12-31 09:57 -0800 |
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new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2017-12-31 09:57 -0800
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-12-31 20:48 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2018-01-02 04:41 +0700
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-01 23:37 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-03 02:25 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-03 12:55 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-04 04:02 -0800
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Martin Honnen <martin.honnen@gmx.de> - 2018-01-04 13:30 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-04 16:48 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-06 13:02 -0200
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-06 11:18 -0800
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-07 13:07 -0200
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-07 12:19 -0800
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-08 11:43 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-08 13:26 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-08 16:36 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-08 06:09 -0800
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-08 16:33 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-08 18:58 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-08 19:33 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-08 20:26 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-08 22:10 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-09 02:55 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-09 09:36 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-09 02:10 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-09 03:35 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-09 15:51 +1100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-09 13:17 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-09 14:44 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-09 14:13 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-10 17:28 +1100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-10 21:01 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-10 21:00 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-09 13:19 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-20 08:43 -0800
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-21 15:09 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-21 17:25 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-21 16:41 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-21 19:15 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-21 18:56 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-21 21:58 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-21 23:03 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-22 10:41 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-22 11:17 -0200
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-22 14:23 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-23 03:50 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-23 04:41 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-23 08:55 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-23 14:44 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-23 20:04 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-23 23:10 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-23 08:44 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-23 03:24 -0800
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-01-23 13:27 -0800
Zulu time (was: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-24 00:44 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-24 01:37 -0200
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-24 04:57 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-24 04:10 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-24 10:19 -0200
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-25 08:20 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-25 10:26 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-25 14:26 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-26 15:42 +1100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-26 11:19 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-27 07:16 +1100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-26 23:22 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-27 10:33 +1100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-27 11:30 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-28 07:38 +1100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-27 23:47 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-28 10:07 +1100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-01-28 01:14 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-28 05:25 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-28 16:07 +1100
[OT] Fallacies (was: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-01-28 07:18 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-01-24 13:51 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com> - 2018-01-24 17:13 -0200
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-23 03:00 -0800
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-23 14:14 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2018-01-23 15:44 +0100
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-23 04:24 -0800
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2018-01-23 14:29 +0000
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-23 03:19 -0800
Re: new Date().toLocaleTimeString() sponned in Fall Creators Update. UL locale Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2018-01-25 13:33 -0800
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| From | Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> |
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| Date | 2018-01-23 04:24 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <dbe32e3b-4c09-4055-acfe-091941d9ffeb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #34617 |
On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 3:10:00 PM UTC, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2018-01-20, Dr J R Stockton <#> wrote:
> > On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 4:34:04 PM UTC, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> >> It's Microsoft that (falsely/misleadingly) claims that the UK's
> >> time zone is "GMT". What is your reason for agreeing with them?
> >
> > Well, I rarely like agreeing with them; but if & when they claim
> > that the UK's Time Zone is permanently 0, GMT, UTC, GMT+0, UTC-0,
> > etc., they are correct - which does not of course prevent other
> > parts of the firm from being wrong.
>
> I'm thinking mostly of Outlook meeting invites, which describe
> the date and time in the following format:
>
> TZID=GMT Standard Time:20180601T150000
>
> which is at best extremely misleading and at worst completely wrong.
> Apple Mail invites look like the following instead:
>
> TZID=Europe/London:20180601T150000
>
> which is much clearer. (Amusingly, the Apple invite also appears
> for some reason to contain the complete daylight savings rules for
> the UK from 1916 to the present day.)
(1) Fine examples of the folly of not following ISO8601 in all respects - and "TZID" is appropriate for neither.
(2) The UK has never had "daylight savings rules". We have Summer Time rules (and the probable-first British use of summer time began in late September 1915).
> > The Standard Time in the UK (a modicum excepted, according to Clive)
> > is (by Law, as translated from the EU, IIRC) GMT - however, the UK's
> > standard time is UTC-based. Time Zones are normally designated by
> > the nominal number of hours by which the Standard Time is offset
> > from UTC, which for the UK (except ...) is 0. GMT and UTC are
> > similar but not synonymous.
>
> No, the time in time zones is designated that way, but the time zone
> itself is not. For example, the time in the UK and the time in Mali
> are both currently GMT+0 but they are not in the same time zone as
> in a few months the UK will be GMT+1 and Mali will still be GMT+0.
The True Definition of Time Zone is that of the international Washington Conference of 1884, and cannot be affected by the contagious idiocies of US nerds.
> >> "NPL BIPM NIST" is not a cite.
> >
> > Agreed not a cite. But you can look them up in Wikipedia (for NPL,
> > an intelligent selection is then needed) and thence access their Web
> > sites.
>
> You might as well cite "the Internet". The problem is not that
> I don't know what those organisations are or that I cannot find
> their websites, the problem is that you have given no indication
> which of their hundreds of thousands of publications you are
> referring to.
Search tools will find what you need - I checked that before posting.
> > GMT is not the formal name of our Time Zone, just an adequate
> > nickname, but the Standard Time in the UK (") is by Law GMT (IIRC)
> > and in practice is UTC.
>
> My point is that it is not at all an adequate nickname, because if you
> use it that way then in the summer if someone says "I'll meet you at
> 3pm GMT" you have no way of knowing what time they intend to meet you.
The meaning of the sentence is clear : 3pm GMT *always* means an instant within 0.9 seconds of 15:00 UTC (assuming BIPM have got their Leap Seconds right). It may not express the intent of "someone".
> Amusingly, something like this sort of issue actually came up last night,
> as I was going to an event at the "St Moritz" club in London which was
> advertised by a Facebook event. Facebook had assumed the organiser
> meant St Moritz in Switzerland so the advertised start time for the
> event was "22:00 CET", and I had no way of knowing whether they
> actually meant 21:00 GMT or 22:00 GMT.
Never trust US software/citizens for any matter external to the USA - especially date & time. I have heard tell of a case in which, in September of the year YYYY, an American was (rightly) denied entry to Europe because his visa was marked as expiring on 10/07/YYYY.
For the lettering of the time zones on the high seas, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautical_time and http://astro.ukho.gov.uk/nao/miscellanea/WMTZ/ . Be aware that the 'MY' zone is anomalous - places within it all have the same local standard (=winter) time, but not necessarily the same local date.
--
(c) John Stockton, near London, UK. Using Google. |
Mail: J.R.""""""""@physics.org - or as Reply-To, if any. |
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| From | Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> |
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| Date | 2018-01-23 14:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnp6ehn2.p2i.jon+usenet@sable.unequivocal.eu> |
| In reply to | #34642 |
On 2018-01-23, Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> wrote: > On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 3:10:00 PM UTC, Jon Ribbens wrote: >> No, the time in time zones is designated that way, but the time zone >> itself is not. For example, the time in the UK and the time in Mali >> are both currently GMT+0 but they are not in the same time zone as >> in a few months the UK will be GMT+1 and Mali will still be GMT+0. > > The True Definition of Time Zone is that of the international > Washington Conference of 1884, and cannot be affected by the > contagious idiocies of US nerds. Given your reluctance to provide any cites so far, I fear this request is doomed before I've even made it, but: please provide a cite for that. If you mean the International Meridian Conference at Washington in October 1884, as far as I can tell it did not propose any definition of the term "time zone". > Search tools will find what you need - I checked that before posting. So you are either unwilling or unable to provide a cite to back up your claims - I suspect the latter. It would've been easier if you could've just said so earlier. >> My point is that it is not at all an adequate nickname, because if you >> use it that way then in the summer if someone says "I'll meet you at >> 3pm GMT" you have no way of knowing what time they intend to meet you. > > The meaning of the sentence is clear : 3pm GMT *always* means an > instant within 0.9 seconds of 15:00 UTC Not if "GMT" means a time zone, as you claim it does.
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| From | Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> |
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| Date | 2018-01-23 03:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <8b7cb7b1-574b-4b17-abf3-d6192a88b18a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #34414 |
On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 5:57:38 PM UTC, Dr J R Stockton wrote: > All of my PCs are set, everywhere that I have found, to > use UK, English, and ISO 8601, including the 24-hour clock. > > JavaScript new Date().toLocaleTimeString() in up-to-date > Windows 7, final Windows XP, and probably in Windows 98 & > maybe even in Windows 3.x, and probably also in previous > Windows 10, gave the 24-hour clock, "HH:MM:SS" > > Today, I allowed a Windows 10 update on my laptop FUJ-2012 > - what arrived was Fall Creators Update, I think. > > In the new update, I get "hh:mm:ss PM". I expect to see > AM tomorrow morning. and an wondering whether the hours > field will have its leading zero before 10:00; I believe > I've seen corresponding ineptitude somewhere in UTC time. > > That is the case in all of the browsers I tested, which > are not all that I have. > > I don't know what happens in other locales, but it seems > likely that Evertjan & others will be able to tell us. > > Note to EjH - in the Subject, sponning does not have its > Dutch meaning; it has the Grytpype-Thynne one. > > I am altering my applications to build the time string > from the hour, minute, and second numbers. > > The update also did not preserve my chosen screen saver > setting, which is the time. > > HNY, > > -- > (c) John Stockton, near London, UK. Using Google, no spell-check. | > Mail: J.R.""""""""@physics.org - or as Reply-To, if any. |
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| From | Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> |
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| Date | 2018-01-25 13:33 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7ba8b724-ecd5-4f67-a207-3a57014aae3f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #34414 |
On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 5:57:38 PM UTC, Dr J R Stockton wrote: > All of my PCs are set, everywhere that I have found, to > use UK, English, and ISO 8601, including the 24-hour clock. > > JavaScript new Date().toLocaleTimeString() in up-to-date > Windows 7, final Windows XP, and probably in Windows 98 & > maybe even in Windows 3.x, and probably also in previous > Windows 10, gave the 24-hour clock, "HH:MM:SS" > > Today, I allowed a Windows 10 update on my laptop FUJ-2012 > - what arrived was Fall Creators Update, I think. > > In the new update, I get "hh:mm:ss PM". I expect to see > AM tomorrow morning. and an wondering whether the hours > field will have its leading zero before 10:00; I believe > I've seen corresponding ineptitude somewhere in UTC time. > > That is the case in all of the browsers I tested, which > are not all that I have. > > I don't know what happens in other locales, but it seems > likely that Evertjan & others will be able to tell us. > > Note to EjH - in the Subject, sponning does not have its > Dutch meaning; it has the Grytpype-Thynne one. > > I am altering my applications to build the time string > from the hour, minute, and second numbers. > > The update also did not preserve my chosen screen saver > setting, which is the time. > > HNY, > > -- > (c) John Stockton, near London, UK. Using Google, no spell-check. | > Mail: J.R.""""""""@physics.org - or as Reply-To, if any. |
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