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  Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2020-01-07 15:14 +0000
    Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) Leonardo Campos <leonardoscampos@gmail.com> - 2020-01-07 11:28 -0800
      Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2020-01-08 10:38 +0000
    Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2020-01-08 01:22 +0100
      Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2020-01-08 10:30 +0000
        Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2020-01-08 07:05 -0800
          Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2020-01-08 16:18 +0000
            Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2020-01-08 08:59 -0800
          Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2020-01-08 19:12 +0000
            Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2020-01-08 11:39 -0800
              Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2020-01-09 11:03 +0000
                Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2020-01-09 11:18 +0000
                  Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2020-01-09 03:59 -0800
                    Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2020-01-09 12:52 +0000
                    [OT] Netiquette (was: Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like)) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2020-01-10 11:26 +0100
                      Re: [OT] Netiquette (was: Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like)) Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2020-01-10 07:01 -0800
                        Re: [OT] Netiquette Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2020-01-13 11:00 +0100
                          Re: [OT] Netiquette "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2020-01-13 12:40 +0100
                          Re: [OT] Netiquette Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2020-01-13 04:02 -0800
                            Re: [OT] Netiquette jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2020-01-13 12:32 +0000
                              Re: [OT] Netiquette Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2020-01-13 04:34 -0800
                                Re: [OT] Netiquette jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2020-01-13 12:57 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Netiquette Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2020-01-13 05:15 -0800
                                    Re: [OT] Netiquette jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2020-01-13 13:19 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] Netiquette Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2020-01-13 05:23 -0800
                                    Re: [OT] Netiquette Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2020-01-13 15:33 +0100
                              Re: [OT] Netiquette Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2020-01-13 13:59 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Netiquette Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2020-01-13 15:31 +0100
                          Re: [OT] Netiquette Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2020-01-13 04:33 -0800
                            Re: [OT] Netiquette Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2020-01-13 15:46 +0100
                  Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2020-01-09 18:18 +0000
                  Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-01-09 18:24 +0000
                    Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2020-01-09 18:35 +0000
                  Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2020-01-13 20:40 +0100
                    Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) AC Needy <ac.needy@gmail.com> - 2020-01-13 16:51 -0500
                      Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2020-01-19 23:14 +0100
                        Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) dr.s.lartius@gmail.com - 2020-01-19 15:14 -0800
                        Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) AC Needy <ac.needy@gmail.com> - 2020-01-20 02:09 -0500
                        [OT] "Netiquette" (was: Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like)) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2020-01-21 12:22 +0100
                          Re: [OT] "Netiquette" (was: Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like)) John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2020-01-22 18:05 +0000
                            Re: [OT] "Netiquette" Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2020-01-22 20:47 +0100
                              Re: [OT] "Netiquette" Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2020-01-22 12:16 -0800
                                Re: [OT] "Netiquette" AC Needy <ac.needy@gmail.com> - 2020-01-22 22:15 -0500
                                Re: [OT] "Netiquette" Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2020-01-23 18:50 +0100
                                  Re: [OT] "Netiquette" Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2020-01-23 10:37 -0800
                                    Re: [OT] "Netiquette" Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2020-01-24 13:33 +0100
    Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2020-01-08 08:25 +0100
      Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2020-01-08 10:41 +0000
    Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2020-01-22 14:17 -0600
      Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2020-01-23 08:52 +0000
        Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like) Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2020-01-23 17:18 -0600

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#38045 — Re: [OT] Netiquette

On Monday, 13 January 2020 13:33:02 UTC+1, jeremy  wrote:
> In article <9b1926c0-fb92-479c-b7a4-c2504237ed0f@googlegroups.com>, 
> julio@diegidio.name says...
> > *Plonk*
> 
> What's the effect of this? I assume it means "you're in my killfile" or 
> "I'm abandoning this conversation".

It means go fuck yourself.

*Plonk*

Julio

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#38046 — Re: [OT] Netiquette

In article <4070bcad-b572-4ce0-b75a-4d59e8ca9e15@googlegroups.com>, 
julio@diegidio.name says...
> 
> On Monday, 13 January 2020 13:33:02 UTC+1, jeremy  wrote:
> > In article <9b1926c0-fb92-479c-b7a4-c2504237ed0f@googlegroups.com>, 
> > julio@diegidio.name says...
> > > *Plonk*
> > 
> > What's the effect of this? I assume it means "you're in my killfile" or 
> > "I'm abandoning this conversation".
> 
> It means go fuck yourself.
> 
> *Plonk*
> 

Just found this on wikipedia

"Plonk is a Usenet jargon term for adding a particular poster to one's kill 
file so that poster's future postings are completely ignored. It was first 
used in 1989, and by 1994 was a commonly used term on Usenet."

Although presumably you'll not see this.

Anyway, such a shame to see people resorting to bad language and insults 
instead of measured discussion.

-- 
jeremy

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#38047 — Re: [OT] Netiquette

On Monday, 13 January 2020 13:57:12 UTC+1, jeremy  wrote:
> In article <4070bcad-b572-4ce0-b75a-4d59e8ca9e15@googlegroups.com>, 
> julio@diegidio.name says...
> > On Monday, 13 January 2020 13:33:02 UTC+1, jeremy  wrote:
> > > In article <9b1926c0-fb92-479c-b7a4-c2504237ed0f@googlegroups.com>, 
> > > julio@diegidio.name says...
> > > > *Plonk*
> > > 
> > > What's the effect of this? I assume it means "you're in my killfile" or 
> > > "I'm abandoning this conversation".
> > 
> > It means go fuck yourself.
> > 
> > *Plonk*
> 
> Just found this on wikipedia

Wikipedia has been hijacked and reflects the generalised insanity and
lies not any less than anything else.  Plonk, originally, is the plonking
of a conversation, onomatopoeic for dropping it into the trash bin, it is
not just a synonym with kill-filing.  I'll tell you when I kill-file you.

Also notice that it is quite insane to think that there is a norm about
such a thing, all the more so when it is about expressing scorn towards
someone's misbehaviour, hence replying with a similar though symbolic
misbehaviour is utterly appropriate since the dawn of time.

Have I lost you there?

> "Plonk is a Usenet jargon term for adding a particular poster to one's kill 
> file so that poster's future postings are completely ignored. It was first 
> used in 1989, and by 1994 was a commonly used term on Usenet."
> 
> Although presumably you'll not see this.

Then presumably you are stupid.

> Anyway, such a shame to see people resorting to bad language and insults 
> instead of measured discussion.

Totems and taboos, the measure of the globalised insanity and the real
crimes against life and intelligence.  What a doomed inculture, not per
chance on the verge of extinguishing anything that moves autonomously.

Fuckin pathetic if you ask me...

HTH,

Julio

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#38048 — Re: [OT] Netiquette

In article <1b94a8d9-cb19-453c-a064-1430601bf635@googlegroups.com>, 
julio@diegidio.name says...
> 
> Fuckin pathetic if you ask me...
> 

I presume you were referring to your own witterings.

I don't think I have encountered such an agitated personality on usenet as 
yours appears to be.

-- 
jeremy

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#38049 — Re: [OT] Netiquette

On Monday, 13 January 2020 14:20:01 UTC+1, jeremy  wrote:
> In article <1b94a8d9-cb19-453c-a064-1430601bf635@googlegroups.com>, 
> julio@diegidio.name says...
> > 
> > Fuckin pathetic if you ask me...
> 
> I presume you were referring to your own witterings.

And I conclude you are a fucking idiot with no wits at all.

> I don't think I have encountered such an agitated personality
> on usenet as yours appears to be.

While idiots like you just proliferate...

Fucking pathetic indeed.

*Plonk*

Julio

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#38052 — Re: [OT] Netiquette

On 13.01.20 14:15, Julio Di Egidio wrote:

[...]
> Wikipedia has been hijacked and reflects the generalised insanity and
> lies not any less than anything else.  Plonk, originally, is the plonking
> of a conversation, onomatopoeic for dropping it into the trash bin, it is
> not just a synonym with kill-filing.  I'll tell you when I kill-file you.

It is. See <http://catb.org/jargon/html/P/plonk.html>

"The sound a newbie makes as he falls to the bottom of a kill file."


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#38050 — Re: [OT] Netiquette

On 2020-01-13, jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <9b1926c0-fb92-479c-b7a4-c2504237ed0f@googlegroups.com>, 
> julio@diegidio.name says...
>> *Plonk*
>
> What's the effect of this? I assume it means "you're in my killfile" or 
> "I'm abandoning this conversation".
>
> You already did this on 8th January so what's its purpose? Is it also a 
> part of usenet etiquette?

It means "I've killfiled you". However either Julio habitually lies
when he says it, or he's invented his own personal nonsensical and
idiosyncratic meaning for it - which would be entirely in character.

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#38051 — Re: [OT] Netiquette

On 13.01.20 13:02, Julio Di Egidio wrote:

> On Monday, 13 January 2020 11:00:17 UTC+1, Arno Welzel  wrote:
>> On 10.01.20 16:01, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
[...]
>>> That is not *Usenet* etiquette (I don't even know where the original Usenet
>>> FAQ is, probably lost under 20+ years of bullshit as everything else that
>>> counts), that is generic netiquette, but indeed you can see enough hints in
>>> there already!
>>
>> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855>
>>
>> 3.2.3. NetNews
>>
>>     - Publicize the nature of the feed you receive.  If you do not get
>>       a full feed, people may want to know why not.
>>
>>     - Be aware that the multiplicity of News Reader clients may cause
>>       the News Server being blamed for problems in the clients.
>>
>>     - Honor requests from users immediately if they request cancellation
>>       of their own posts or invalid posts, such as chain letters.
>>
>>     - Have "Usenet", "Netnews" and "News" aliased and make sure someone
>>       reads the mail.
> 
> Yeah, you quote and SO WHAT?  You cannot articulate a thought??  And, to

I just illustrated, that RFC1855 mentions Usenet as well. Maybe you just
didn't remember.


> the point, you do understand that That is not *Usenet* etiquette, it's
> everything with Usenet mentioned among other things...??  What the fuck
> is wrong with you too?

You are free to tell me the URL of the correct "Usenet etiquette". The
ones I found don't mention real names either - for example:

<https://www.lsu.edu/internet/usenet/usenet-etiquette.html>


>>> Usenet wants real identities because it is an unmoderated, "democratic"
>>> means where each and every single person has to take responsibility or it
>>> just won't work.  As well as it requires not feeding nut cases, and not
>>> feeding the trolls...  And the demise of Usenet, which is indeed first
>>
>> "Taking responsibility" has nothing to do with real names.
> 
> Another nonsensical statement...
> 
> You guys are fucking insane, a bunch of stupid irrecoverable unteachable
> cunts indeed.

Calling other people "cunts" just because you don't agree. Another fine
example of someone "taking responsibility" m(.



-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#38044 — Re: [OT] Netiquette

On Monday, 13 January 2020 11:00:17 UTC+1, Arno Welzel  wrote:
> On 10.01.20 16:01, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > On Friday, 10 January 2020 11:26:38 UTC+1, Arno Welzel  wrote:
> >> On 09.01.20 12:59, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, 9 January 2020 12:18:52 UTC+1, jeremy  wrote:
> >>>> In article <c22e1ftbrl52qmbsrg2jpbjrf079ln5du0@4ax.com>, 
> >>>> niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid says...
> >>>
> >>> Still messing up with quotes and attributions?
> >>>
> >>>>>> But I said why, on Usenet, it is expected.  Do anonymous posting where it is
> >>>>>> appropriate, not here.
> >>>>>   <snip>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Who said anything about "anonymous" posting? I certainly didn't.
> >>>>> Please pay attention in future.
> >>>>>
> >>>> In my experience, real names are not "expected" on usenet - certainly i've
> >>>> never been pulled up for it in any other groups
> >>>
> >>> I was talking Usenet etiquette, which is a fact, and you simply keep
> >>> making stuff up.
> >>
> >> See: <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855>
> > 
> > That is not *Usenet* etiquette (I don't even know where the original Usenet
> > FAQ is, probably lost under 20+ years of bullshit as everything else that
> > counts), that is generic netiquette, but indeed you can see enough hints in
> > there already!
> 
> 
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855>
> 
> 3.2.3. NetNews
> 
>     - Publicize the nature of the feed you receive.  If you do not get
>       a full feed, people may want to know why not.
> 
>     - Be aware that the multiplicity of News Reader clients may cause
>       the News Server being blamed for problems in the clients.
> 
>     - Honor requests from users immediately if they request cancellation
>       of their own posts or invalid posts, such as chain letters.
> 
>     - Have "Usenet", "Netnews" and "News" aliased and make sure someone
>       reads the mail.
> 
> > Usenet wants real identities because it is an unmoderated, "democratic"
> > means where each and every single person has to take responsibility or it
> > just won't work.  As well as it requires not feeding nut cases, and not
> > feeding the trolls...  And the demise of Usenet, which is indeed first
> 
> "Taking responsibility" has nothing to do with real names. It's just
> easier to filter people only use their real name.

Filtering people is just as easy in any case, you fucking idiot, but
filtered or not, it's people flooding the news archives with bullshit
and insanity that is a fucking disaster.  And of course posting under
a real name is THE BEST deterrent for people to not misbehave like the
stupid cunts most of them are, indeed THE ONLY deterrent in most cases
and certainly around here.

> for groups which are about sexuality etc. pseudonyms are "officially"
> allowed, at least

I did say this ain't alt.pics-of-my-dick, you fucking idiot: of course
the dosage varies, you should take it cum grano salis, which means not
with your head stuck deep up your ass.

> > 15 years max (I said 5 years earlier, that was a momentary lapse of reason,
> > sometimes I forget how long I have been "in computers").
> 
> Google Groups has nothing to do with this as it started in 2001 and not 1997. 

I'll take that as an attempt at a joke, but of course 2001 plus the 2 or 3
yars it takes to get to rythm and you have exactly 15 yeas of filthy bullshit
proliferating all over the place... and that's just the tip' of the iceberg
with Google, as well as with the generalised insanity.

And now do go fuck yourself, you other spoiled idiot.

*Plonk*

Julio

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#38053 — Re: [OT] Netiquette

On 13.01.20 13:33, Julio Di Egidio wrote:

> On Monday, 13 January 2020 11:00:17 UTC+1, Arno Welzel  wrote:
[...]
>> "Taking responsibility" has nothing to do with real names. It's just
>> easier to filter people only use their real name.
> 
> Filtering people is just as easy in any case, you fucking idiot, but

No - because if people use pseudonyms, they can change this whenever
they like. But a real name usually does not change.

>> Google Groups has nothing to do with this as it started in 2001 and not 1997. 
> 
> I'll take that as an attempt at a joke, but of course 2001 plus the 2 or 3

No, it's no joke.

Maybe you don't remember or maybe you are just too young: the original
problem was that many people from outside universities started to flood
the usenet in the mid 1990ies when AOL introduced usenet access to their
customers in 1993 - 8(!) years before Google aquired Deja News in 2001.

Just read the introduction of RFC1855.

BTW: I had e-mail and usenet around 1990 using UUCP over a modem connection.

> And now do go fuck yourself, you other spoiled idiot.

Another example of how one should behave in the Usenet?


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#38020

On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 11:18:45 -0000, jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com>
wrote:

  <snip>
>However I do appreciate that each ng might have its own standards and 
>expecations of poster behaviour.

There are only two people using this group who complain about the
names people use. You are in a majority.

  John

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#38021

jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> writes:

> In article <c22e1ftbrl52qmbsrg2jpbjrf079ln5du0@4ax.com>, 
> niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid says...
>> >But I said why, on Usenet, it is expected.  Do anonymous posting where it is
>> >appropriate, not here.
>>   <snip>
>> 
>> Who said anything about "anonymous" posting? I certainly didn't.
>> Please pay attention in future.
>> 
> In my experience, real names are not "expected" on usenet

Indeed.  You just came across someone who has a bee in their bonnet
about it (Thomas Lahn) and then someone who'll have an argument with
anyone about anything.

<cut>
-- 
Ben.

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#38022

In article <87d0bsjxms.fsf@bsb.me.uk>, ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk says...
> 
> jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > In article <c22e1ftbrl52qmbsrg2jpbjrf079ln5du0@4ax.com>, 
> > niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid says...
> >> >But I said why, on Usenet, it is expected.  Do anonymous posting where it is
> >> >appropriate, not here.
> >>   <snip>
> >> 
> >> Who said anything about "anonymous" posting? I certainly didn't.
> >> Please pay attention in future.
> >> 
> > In my experience, real names are not "expected" on usenet
> 
> Indeed.  You just came across someone who has a bee in their bonnet
> about it (Thomas Lahn) and then someone who'll have an argument with
> anyone about anything.
> 

Phew, there's safety in numbers.


-- 
jeremy

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#38059

jeremy wrote:

> In article <c22e1ftbrl52qmbsrg2jpbjrf079ln5du0@4ax.com>,
> niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid says...
>> >But I said why, on Usenet, it is expected.  Do anonymous posting where
>> >it is appropriate, not here.
>>   <snip>
>> 
>> Who said anything about "anonymous" posting? I certainly didn't.
>> Please pay attention in future.
>> 
> In my experience, real names are not "expected" on usenet […]

That is a self-fulfilling prophecy because you will not learn of people who 
do not even bother reading your postings because they consider your behavior 
impolite.  There are technologies like real-name filters, score files and 
killfiles.  (Your score was −1 because of the former; it is lower now.)

Ben Bacarisse is plain lying to you, and you are naive enough to buy it.

Since you are not willing to take the advice I gave you, please go away.  
TIA.

-- 
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#38066

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On 1/13/2020 2:40 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> jeremy wrote:

>> In article <c22e1ftbrl52qmbsrg2jpbjrf079ln5du0@4ax.com>,
>> niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid says...

>>>> But I said why, on Usenet, it is expected. Do anonymous posting
>>>> where it is appropriate, not here.

>>> Who said anything about "anonymous" posting? I certainly didn't.
>>> Please pay attention in future.

>> In my experience, real names are not "expected" on usenet […]

> That is a self-fulfilling prophecy because you will not learn of
> people who do not even bother reading your postings because they
> consider your behavior impolite. There are technologies like
> real-name filters, score files and killfiles. (Your score was −1
> because of the former; it is lower now.)

> Ben Bacarisse is plain lying to you, and you are naive enough to buy
> it.

> Since you are not willing to take the advice I gave you, please go
> away. TIA.

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#38100

“AC Needy” trolled:

> WARNING*: The content of this message *MAY* 
>            contain controversial topics and 
>            *SHOULD NOT* be viewed by:
>              •  sensitive individuals
>              •  malcontents 
>              •  individuals under the age of 120
>              •  troglodytes
>              •  judgmental individuals
>              •  opinionated individuals
>             •  multi-cellular organisms

Only a *professional* troll has a need to post such disclaimers.

> On 1/13/2020 2:40 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> jeremy wrote:
>>> In article <c22e1ftbrl52qmbsrg2jpbjrf079ln5du0@4ax.com>,
>>> niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid says...
>>>>> But I said why, on Usenet, it is expected. Do anonymous posting
>>>>> where it is appropriate, not here.
>>>> Who said anything about "anonymous" posting? I certainly didn't.
>>>> Please pay attention in future.
>>> In my experience, real names are not "expected" on usenet […]
>> That is a self-fulfilling prophecy because you will not learn of
>> people who do not even bother reading your postings because they
>> consider your behavior impolite. There are technologies like
>> real-name filters, score files and killfiles. (Your score was −1
>> because of the former; it is lower now.)
>> 
>> Ben Bacarisse is plain lying to you, and you are naive enough to buy
>> it.
>> 
>> Since you are not willing to take the advice I gave you, please go
>> away. TIA.
> 
>   •  display name is intended to provide some human
>      readable text indicating the sender
> 
>   •  display name is not required
> 
>   •  display name is not an ID

For all intents and purposes, it *is* an ID: It makes it easier for the 
reader to recognize whose posting they are reading.  Introducing oneself
to strangers with one’s real name is a simple matter of courtesy.  It also 
puts the bar higher not to use the cover of pseudonymity, *seeming* 
anonymity, to post pure provocations like this.
 
> No one should ever request or demand personal information.
> 
> Providing this kind of information could be harmful.

Paranoid nonsense.

> Allow individuals that make request/demands for personal information
> to: adjust their score, make their recommendations, make false claims
> to not read post.

By contrast to me (and several other people), you have contributed nothing 
to this group within the past two decades.  In any case you are not in a 
position to make demands here.  Usenet is not a right.  Go away.

> One *SHOULD NOT* desire these individuals to continue reading one's
> post.

You may come back if and when you have something on-topic to say.
However, I will not read it unless you post under your real name.

*PLONK*

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#38101

On Sunday, 19 January 2020 22:15:00 UTC, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn  wrote:
> “AC Needy” trolled:

> You may come back if and when you have something on-topic to say.
> However, I will not read it unless you post under your real name.
> 
> *PLONK*

Why give her such an advantage?

-- 
  (c) Dr. S. Lartius, UK.  Gmail: dr.s.lartius@                       |

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#38106

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On 1/19/2020 5:14 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> “AC Needy” trolled:

>> WARNING*: The content of this message *MAY*
>>           contain controversial topics and
>>           *SHOULD NOT* be viewed by:
[snip]
>>            •  multi-cellular organisms

> Only a *professional* troll has a need to post such disclaimers.

>> On 1/13/2020 2:40 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

>>> jeremy wrote:

>>>> In article <c22e1ftbrl52qmbsrg2jpbjrf079ln5du0@4ax.com>,
>>>> niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid says...

>>>>>> But I said why, on Usenet, it is expected. Do anonymous posting
>>>>>> where it is appropriate, not here.

>>>>> Who said anything about "anonymous" posting? I certainly didn't.
>>>>> Please pay attention in future.

>>>> In my experience, real names are not "expected" on usenet […]

>>> That is a self-fulfilling prophecy because you will not learn of
>>> people who do not even bother reading your postings because they
>>> consider your behavior impolite. There are technologies like
>>> real-name filters, score files and killfiles. (Your score was −1
>>> because of the former; it is lower now.)

>>> Ben Bacarisse is plain lying to you, and you are naive enough to
>>> buy it.

>>> Since you are not willing to take the advice I gave you, please go
>>> away. TIA.

>> •  display name is intended to provide some human
>>    readable text indicating the sender

>> •  display name is not required

>> •  display name is not an ID

> For all intents and purposes, it *is* an ID: 

ABG na VQ arire jnf arire jvyy or!

> It makes it easier for the reader to recognize whose posting they
> are reading. 

Gung vf gur bayl checbfr sbe gur qvfcynl anzr. V fhccbfr gung uhzna
ernqnoyr grkg jnf gb qvssvphyg gb pbzceruraq.

> Introducing oneself to strangers with one’s real name is a simple
> matter of courtesy. It also puts the bar higher not to use the cover
> of pseudonymity, *seeming* anonymity, to post pure provocations like
> this.

Fb zhpu OF. Xrrc ba ernqvat jung lbh jevgr znlor fbzrqnl lbh jvyy
oryvrir vg.

>> No one should ever request or demand personal information.

>> Providing this kind of information could be harmful.

> Paranoid nonsense.

Pevzvany orunivbe.

>> Allow individuals that make request/demands for personal
>> information to: adjust their score, make their recommendations,
>> make false claims to not read post.

> By contrast to me (and several other people), you have contributed
> nothing to this group within the past two decades. In any case you
> are not in a position to make demands here. Usenet is not a right.
> Go away.

Frireny bgure crbcyr? Irel Vagrerfgvat!

V znqr ab qrznaqf abe erdhrfg.

>> One *SHOULD NOT* desire these individuals to continue reading one's
>> post.

> You may come back if and when you have something on-topic to say.
> However, I will not read it unless you post under your real name.

Fhpx vg hc! Qba'g yvxr zl anzr … ohttre bss!

> *PLONK*

Vagrerfgvat … fpber nqwhfgrq, erpbzzraqngvbaf znqr⸮

Gb ernq be abg gb ernq, vf gung ernyyl n dhrfgvba⸮

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#38107 — [OT] "Netiquette" (was: Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like))

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:

> “AC Needy” trolled:
[...]
>>   •  display name is not an ID
> 
> For all intents and purposes, it *is* an ID: It makes it easier for the 

JFTR: Display names may not be unique. For example on Xing there are at
least three guys named "Arno Welzel":

<https://www.xing.com/profile/Arno_Welzel>
<https://www.xing.com/profile/Arno_Welzel2>
<https://www.xing.com/profile/Arno_Welzel3>

So without any additional information a display name is *not* an ID for
"all intents and purposes". That's one of the reasons why an identity
card not only contains a display name but also a picture of the person,
date of birth etc.

BTW: Forwarding without telling this in the post is also not nice.

-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#38109 — Re: [OT] "Netiquette" (was: Re: Library for drag/drop/connect objects (visio-like))

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 12:22:31 +0100, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:

  <snip>
>That's one of the reasons why an identity
>card not only contains a display name but also a picture of the person,
>date of birth etc.
  <snip>

Does that mean that identical twins should be illegal?

Or is that yet another problem with ID systems?

  John

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