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Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy??

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First post2019-07-20 12:53 -0700
Last post2019-08-04 11:27 +0200
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  Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-07-20 12:53 -0700
    Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2019-07-21 15:15 +1000
    Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-07-22 03:07 -0700
    Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Martin Honnen <martin.honnen@gmx.de> - 2019-07-22 16:20 +0200
      Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-07-30 08:20 -0700
    Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-07-30 18:24 -0700
      Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-07-31 04:14 -0700
        Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-07-31 05:32 -0700
          Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-07-31 18:22 +0200
            Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-02 02:37 -0700
              Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-08-02 13:38 +0200
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-02 05:59 -0700
                  Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-08-02 17:55 +0200
                  Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-02 15:57 -0700
                    Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-03 06:11 -0700
                    Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-08-04 11:44 +0200
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-02 15:10 -0700
                  Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-08-03 08:59 +0200
                  OT: Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-03 05:18 -0700
                    Re: OT: Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2019-08-03 15:27 +0200
                      Re: OT: Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-03 09:28 -0700
                        Re: OT: Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2019-08-04 12:32 +0200
                  Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-08-04 11:30 +0200
                    Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-04 15:31 -0700
                      Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-08-05 13:48 +0200
                        Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-05 16:51 -0700
                          Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-08-07 01:42 +0200
                            Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-07 01:47 -0700
                              Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-08-08 20:56 +0200
                                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-08 13:16 -0700
                                  Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Martin Leese <please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID> - 2019-08-08 23:57 -0600
                                  Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-08-09 12:48 +0200
                      Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-05 06:37 -0700
                        Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-08-05 18:46 +0100
                          Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-06 03:39 -0700
                        Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-05 17:30 -0700
              Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-02 15:05 -0700
        Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-07-31 18:58 -0700
          Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-02 05:01 -0700
            Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-02 16:07 -0700
              Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-03 08:19 -0700
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-03 18:42 -0700
                  Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-08-04 11:27 +0200

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#37033

Fromdr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com
Date2019-08-03 08:19 -0700
Message-ID<af10a65a-9c3d-4f38-ab4a-0e59395e4341@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#37028
On Saturday, 3 August 2019 00:07:17 UTC+1, Michael Haufe (TNO)  wrote:
> On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 7:01:31 AM UTC-5, dr.j.r...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > But I want to be able to run my process on an "as delivered"
> > computer, without having to "install" little-known software,
> > even if that is actually already present.  To that end, for
> > example, while my page LINXCHEK.HTM contains references to
> > an include file and a CSS file, I have ensured that neither
> > of those is necessary for operation.
> 
> I think I'm missing some of the use-cases and requirements then:

We must discriminate between what I _need_ for my regular use and
what I would, perhaps, like to be able to do if the occasion
arises, and so would not forbid.
 
> 1: You have 1+ html pages which want arbitrary access to the filesystem
> Q1: What is the nearest common parent folder for these files?

For the prime use, most but not all of the HTML pages are in the
current directory of the page which is running.  Some are in
subdirectories, and links point into those too.  I don't think
that I have considered the possibility of pages being elsewhere
in the drive; I don't want to preclude it, but I don't need to
allow it.  I don't know any way in which an HTML page on one
drive letter can link to an HTML page on another, and I don't
see any reason to do so - so I don't need either to ban it or
to code for it.

Of course, one can use links-checker tools to check Web
sites, but for one's own pages it's quicker to do it locally.


> 2. You want to distribute this site/application to other users.
> Q2: Are all of these users on the same network?

In practice, they will all be on the Internet and the Web; no
other shared network.  But, late last year, the C drives of
two of my Win 10 PCs were failed, and earlier this year the
internet wireless link to the third Win 10 PC failed.  If those
had all happened at the same instant, I could have transferred
backups to the third PC by slippernet (like sneakernet, but more
comfortable).

And my Godson, in Austria, could have been provided with a copy
of my code to check the master (assuming that he has one) of his
business site; but I copied his pages to a subdirectory of this
PC and tested it there.  Unless it was his Australia-based
sister's site.

> 3. You have an optional include file
> Q3: What is its purpose?

The page contains

<BODY onLoad="if(window.Decorate)Decorate(); StartUp()">

The include file, used on most of my pages, contains

function Decorate() { Cuffs() ; Hooks() ; ReadOnly() ; Target()}

Cuffs runs through the links array adding one-character titles
dependent on the destination of the link.  When the cursor is
over the link, the pointer becomes a hand.  The title appears,
looking (with browser-dependent realism) like the hand's
shirt-cuff, so the character appears like a cuff-link.  I
use '.' for a link within the page, '+' for one on the same
site, '*' for HTTP, and '#' for HTTPS.

Hooks should add titles to anchors; it appears not to work now.

function Hooks() { var DAJ, T, J = document.anchors.length
  while (J--) { DAJ = document.anchors[J] ;
    if (T=DAJ.name) DAJ.title = "#" + T } }

ReadOnly colours readonly INPUT & TEXTAREA elements, except
for those of class NAY.

Target is self-explanatory, but I forget why I wanted to do
it.  No, I recall now.  I wanted to have at run-time an
element to have target = _top, but some source checker
disliked that.  Function Target may no longer be needed.

function Target() { var T
  if (T=document.getElementById("TGT")) T.target = "_top"
  if (!T) alert("Wants ID=TGT") }

So the include file is not necessary, but I like to have it.

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#37036

From"Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com>
Date2019-08-03 18:42 -0700
Message-ID<6cdcf32f-6072-49e6-bf10-a89201bb71f0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#37033
On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 10:19:52 AM UTC-5, dr.j.r...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, 3 August 2019 00:07:17 UTC+1, Michael Haufe (TNO)  wrote:

> > 1: You have 1+ html pages which want arbitrary access to the filesystem
> > Q1: What is the nearest common parent folder for these files?
> 
> For the prime use, most but not all of the HTML pages are in the
> current directory of the page which is running.  Some are in
> subdirectories, and links point into those too.  I don't think
> that I have considered the possibility of pages being elsewhere
> in the drive; I don't want to preclude it, but I don't need to
> allow it.  I don't know any way in which an HTML page on one
> drive letter can link to an HTML page on another, and I don't
> see any reason to do so - so I don't need either to ban it or
> to code for it.
> 
> Of course, one can use links-checker tools to check Web
> sites, but for one's own pages it's quicker to do it locally.
> 
> 
> > 2. You want to distribute this site/application to other users.
> > Q2: Are all of these users on the same network?
> 
> In practice, they will all be on the Internet and the Web; no
> other shared network.  But, late last year, the C drives of
> two of my Win 10 PCs were failed, and earlier this year the
> internet wireless link to the third Win 10 PC failed.  If those
> had all happened at the same instant, I could have transferred
> backups to the third PC by slippernet (like sneakernet, but more
> comfortable).
> 
> And my Godson, in Austria, could have been provided with a copy
> of my code to check the master (assuming that he has one) of his
> business site; but I copied his pages to a subdirectory of this
> PC and tested it there.  Unless it was his Australia-based
> sister's site.

I think we've brought this up in the group before: why not put your website back online?  You can do it for free. In fact I uploaded a half-assed copy of your site from the web archive here. It took me 10 minutes:

<https://merlyn-mirror.azurewebsites.net/>

email me and I'll send you FTP credentials and other details.

I know you're a UK nationalist, so as a bonus I setup the infrastructure in south UK.

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#37038

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2019-08-04 11:27 +0200
Message-ID<3199815.GTjybIdDfl@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#37036
Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote:

> I know you're a UK nationalist, so as a bonus I setup the infrastructure
> in south UK.

LOL

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