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  FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-09-01 13:49 -0700
    Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2013-09-02 15:03 -0400
      Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-02 21:51 +0200
        Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-09-05 20:06 -0700
          [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-06 12:14 +0200
            Re: [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen) John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-07 15:44 +0100
              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-08 21:54 +0200
                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-09 02:20 +0200
                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-09 10:55 +0100
                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-09-09 13:53 -0700
                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-10 00:10 +0200
                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-11 14:58 +0100
                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-10 00:30 +0200
                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-11 19:28 +0100
                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-14 01:28 +0200
                        Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-15 18:36 +0100
                          Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-09-16 12:26 +1000
                            Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 08:19 +0000
                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-09-16 22:52 +1000
                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-16 16:00 +0100
                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-16 22:08 +0200
                                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 23:23 +0200
                                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-17 00:53 +0200
                                        Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-09-17 01:14 +0100
                                          Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-17 15:35 +0100
                                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-17 15:32 +0100
                                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-18 01:12 +0200
                                        Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-18 10:12 +0100
                                          Re: [FAQ] Suggestions "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-18 11:52 +0200
                                            Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-19 11:29 +0100
                                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-19 13:44 +0200
                                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-20 11:39 +0100
                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-27 01:40 +0200
                                                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-28 17:54 +0100
                                                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 01:04 +0000
                                                        Re: [FAQ] Suggestions dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-09-28 21:03 -0700
                                                        Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-30 14:22 +0200
                                                          Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-01 10:52 +0100
                                                            Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-02 01:39 +0200
                                                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-02 15:18 +0100
                                                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-02 23:14 +0200
                                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-10-03 09:54 +0200
                                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-03 15:50 +0100
                                                                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-07 23:03 +0200
                                                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 19:01 +0200
                                                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-06 10:45 -0700
                                                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-06 20:14 +0100
                                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-07 12:50 -0700
                                                                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-10-07 21:57 +0000
                                                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-07 22:43 +0200
                                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-10-10 02:10 +0200
                                                          Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-01 19:29 +0100
                                                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-02 01:52 +0200
                                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Swifty <steve.j.swift@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 18:07 +0100
                                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-19 21:23 +0200
                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-20 11:48 +0100
                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2013-09-20 12:24 -0700
                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-17 00:03 +0200
                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-09 19:46 +0100
            Re: [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen) Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-07 20:11 +0100
              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-09-07 23:59 +0100
                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen) "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-08 09:24 +0200
                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-08 22:01 +0200
              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-12 15:12 +0200
                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-09-12 14:33 +0100
                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-12 15:43 +0200
    Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-02 23:15 +0200
    Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-02 19:02 +0100
      Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-09-05 20:05 -0700
        Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-12 12:05 +0200
          Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2013-09-12 13:22 +0300
            Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-12 15:29 +0200
              Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Mike Duffy <md_002@videotron.ca> - 2013-09-12 10:43 -0400
          Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-12 16:19 +0100
            Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-12 18:08 +0200
              Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-13 15:51 +0100
          Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-13 20:32 +0100
            Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-09-19 01:40 +0200
    Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-03 00:02 +0200
    Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-03 01:10 +0200
      Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-04 19:50 +0000

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#21141 — FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen

Hi Everyone - 

The FAQ has at least one orphaned page, some broken links, and is often down.

http://jibbering.com/faq/

* Wrong link to Kangax' NFE article,
* The notes page needs a link to the square brackets article: 
http://jibbering.com/faq/notes/square-brackets/

I'd like to bring back my old site, dhtmlkitchen.com, and put the FAQ on there. I'm right now posting on a borrowed computer that has no newsreader installed.

I am trying to get a project together to pay for this: 
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dhtmlkitchen-ii/x/4553807

I have to get a bank account so that I can receive paypal payments:

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#21146

On Sun, 1 Sep 2013, dhtml wrote:

> The FAQ has at least one orphaned page, some broken links, and is
> often down.
> 
> * Wrong link to Kangax' NFE article,
> * The notes page needs a link to the square brackets article: 
> http://jibbering.com/faq/notes/square-brackets/

Garrett *et al.*, my eyes and ears are available to push temporary
changes to my copy[0] of the FAQ.

[0]: http://www.fortybelow.ca/hosted/comp-lang-javascript/faq/

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#21147

Matt McDonald wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Sep 2013, dhtml wrote:
>> The FAQ has at least one orphaned page, some broken links, and is
>> often down.
>> 
>> * Wrong link to Kangax' NFE article,
>> * The notes page needs a link to the square brackets article:
>> http://jibbering.com/faq/notes/square-brackets/
> 
> Garrett *et al.*, my eyes and ears are available to push temporary
> changes to my copy[0] of the FAQ.
> 
> [0]: http://www.fortybelow.ca/hosted/comp-lang-javascript/faq/

Why would you not help me with updating <http://PointedEars.de/faq> instead?

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#21171

On Monday, September 2, 2013 12:51:36 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Matt McDonald wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sun, 1 Sep 2013, dhtml wrote:
> 
> >> The FAQ has at least one orphaned page, some broken links, and is
> 
> >> often down.
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> * Wrong link to Kangax' NFE article,
> 
> >> * The notes page needs a link to the square brackets article:
> 
> >> http://jibbering.com/faq/notes/square-brackets/
> 
> > 
> 
> > Garrett *et al.*, my eyes and ears are available to push temporary
> 
> > changes to my copy[0] of the FAQ.
> 
> > 
> 
> > [0]: http://www.fortybelow.ca/hosted/comp-lang-javascript/faq/
> 
> 
> 
> Why would you not help me with updating <http://PointedEars.de/faq> instead?
> 
>

Again, a broken link:
http://yura.thinkweb2.com/named-function-expressions/

It's now on perfection kills website.

And http://jibbering.com/faq/notes/square-brackets/ is not linked from the notes page:
http://pointedears.de/scripts/faq/cljs/notes/

And the notes page link has been removed from the top of the FAQ itself.

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#21173 — [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen)

dhtml wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Matt McDonald wrote:
>> > On Sun, 1 Sep 2013, dhtml wrote:
>> >> The FAQ has at least one orphaned page, some broken links, and is
>> >> often down.
>> >> 
>> >> * Wrong link to Kangax' NFE article,
>> >> * The notes page needs a link to the square brackets article:
>> >> http://jibbering.com/faq/notes/square-brackets/
>> > 
>> > Garrett *et al.*, my eyes and ears are available to push temporary
>> > changes to my copy[0] of the FAQ.
>> > 
>> > [0]: http://www.fortybelow.ca/hosted/comp-lang-javascript/faq/
>> 
>> Why would you not help me with updating <http://PointedEars.de/faq>
>> instead?
> 
> Again, a broken link:
> http://yura.thinkweb2.com/named-function-expressions/
> 
> It's now on perfection kills website.

To be fair, the link is broken *now*.  Previously, as the Internet Archive 
Wayback Machine¹ tells me, Juriy ‘kangax’ Zaytsev was so clever as to set up 
a 302 redirect to <http://kangax.github.com/nfe/>, which in turn redirects 
to <http://kangax.github.io/nfe/> where the content is currently available 
(not on perfectionkills.com).

(See also <http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/uri-manage> and various other 
tutorials.)

However, the standing recommendation is to update URIs if possible as 
redirects are encountered, in order to improve user experience, to reduce 
problems for the site owner, and to ensure future access of information.)

Thanks.  Fixed.
 
> And http://jibbering.com/faq/notes/square-brackets/ is not linked from the
> notes page: http://pointedears.de/scripts/faq/cljs/notes/

Neither has it been referred from <http://jibbering.com/faq/notes/> as of 
2010-10-08 CE.

It does not make sense to refer to the old FAQ which is often inaccessible 
from a/the new FAQ, whose goal is to replace the old FAQ in order to fix 
that problem and other problems.  Therefore, the new reference will be to 
<http://pointedears.de/scripts/faq/cljs/notes/square-brackets/> (I am 
working on an additional, shorter URI for Notes references).

Please make a suggestion how (aside from the URI) you wish this section of 
the FAQ Notes to be referred (see below).
 
> And the notes page link has been removed from the top of the FAQ itself.

No, it is now right below the heading “Table of contents”, where it belongs.


In general, and to all:

If you have any suggestions to improve the FAQ for comp.lang.javascript, 
please

- say *exactly*

  + *what* is wrong;
  + *where* it is wrong, and
  + *how* you would like it to be changed.

  Although I do revisions of the FAQ on my own, I do not consider it my job
  as FAQ maintainer/editor to find the borken/missing link, or to anticipate
  your wishes.

- do all of the above *via e-mail to <cljs@PointedEars.de>*, as laid out in
  
  <news:2715826.m0UDekTA75@PointedEars.de>
  <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.javascript/yvxh6sd5deU/OVlYGsRKIIYJ>

  (this was also referred from

   <https://twitter.com/PointedEars2/status/280138675659091968> and
   <https://twitter.com/PointedEars2/status/280140135931187200>

   following our agreement; you are among my Twitter followers and could
   have seen it)

  and in the FAQ itself:

  <http://PointedEars.de/scripts/faq/cljs/#makeSuggestion>

  I cannot read all postings in the newsgroup that may or may not pertain to
  the FAQ, and discussions on the FAQ in the newsgroup should be kept to
  a minimum in the first place.

  (Granted, the FAQENTRY method should be abolished then, and the
   corresponding sections and parts of sentences removed from the FAQ.
   OTOH, even you have not used the FAQENTRY method with your suggestions. 
   This and Stefan Weiss’ comment tells me that it is unsuited anyway.)

Thank you very much in advance.

F'up2 poster

_________
¹  <http://archive.org/web/web.php>
-- 
PointedEars, ed.

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#21180 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen)

On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 12:14:34 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
<PointedEars@web.de> wrote:


  <snip>
>In general, and to all:
>
>If you have any suggestions to improve the FAQ for comp.lang.javascript, 
>please
>
>- say *exactly*
>
>  + *what* is wrong;
>  + *where* it is wrong, and
>  + *how* you would like it to be changed.
>
>  Although I do revisions of the FAQ on my own, I do not consider it my job
>  as FAQ maintainer/editor to find the borken/missing link, or to anticipate
>  your wishes.
>
>- do all of the above *via e-mail to <cljs@PointedEars.de>*, 

  <snip>
>  I cannot read all postings in the newsgroup that may or may not pertain to
>  the FAQ, and discussions on the FAQ in the newsgroup should be kept to
>  a minimum in the first place.
  <snip>

E-mailing direct to the FAQ editor is reasonable for spelling
corrections and minor clarifications. 

Suggested new topics and major changes to existing topics need to be
discussed beforehand. In particular, this is needed when the author is
not sure if it is worth adding a brand new topic or removing an old
topic. The discussion needs to be done in this news group, not in some
other messaging system. 

A draft of each non-trivial change needs to be displayed in this news
group to allow people time to notice problems or voice objections
before the FAQ is updated. At least 2 weeks should be allowed for
this.

  John

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#21208 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

John Harris wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 12:14:34 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
> 
> 
>   <snip>
>> In general, and to all:
>>
>> If you have any suggestions to improve the FAQ for comp.lang.javascript, 
>> please
>>
>> - say *exactly*
>>
>>  + *what* is wrong;
>>  + *where* it is wrong, and
>>  + *how* you would like it to be changed.
>>
>>  Although I do revisions of the FAQ on my own, I do not consider it my job
>>  as FAQ maintainer/editor to find the borken/missing link, or to anticipate
>>  your wishes.
>>
>> - do all of the above *via e-mail to <cljs@PointedEars.de>*, 
> 
>   <snip>
>>  I cannot read all postings in the newsgroup that may or may not pertain to
>>  the FAQ, and discussions on the FAQ in the newsgroup should be kept to
>>  a minimum in the first place.
>   <snip>
> 
> E-mailing direct to the FAQ editor is reasonable for spelling
> corrections and minor clarifications. 
> 
> Suggested new topics and major changes to existing topics need to be
> discussed beforehand. In particular, this is needed when the author is
> not sure if it is worth adding a brand new topic or removing an old
> topic. The discussion needs to be done in this news group, not in some
> other messaging system. 

In <news:2836357.Pd7zkTFD91@PointedEars.de> Thomas 'PointedEars'
recently wrote:

| However, although as I can see now I had committed myself to
| considering “<FAQENTRY>” indeed, I  would much prefer to consider
| (such) suggestions only in FAQ threads that I would start, based on
| suggestions received via e-mail.

So apparently, Thomas doesn't want to take such discussions away from
this newsgroup; instead he wants to streamline the process.  After all,
this might make it easier for him (and maybe others) to keep an overview
of the proposals and the related discussion.

> A draft of each non-trivial change needs to be displayed in this news
> group to allow people time to notice problems or voice objections
> before the FAQ is updated. At least 2 weeks should be allowed for
> this.

IMHO that is reasonable.

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#21213 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> John Harris wrote:
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>   <snip>
>>> In general, and to all:
>>>
>>> If you have any suggestions to improve the FAQ for comp.lang.javascript,
>>> please
>>>
>>> - say *exactly*
>>>
>>>  + *what* is wrong;
>>>  + *where* it is wrong, and
>>>  + *how* you would like it to be changed.
>>>
>>>  Although I do revisions of the FAQ on my own, I do not consider it my
>>>  job as FAQ maintainer/editor to find the borken/missing link, or to
>>>  anticipate your wishes.
>>>
>>> - do all of the above *via e-mail to <cljs@PointedEars.de>*,
>> 
>>   <snip>
>>>  I cannot read all postings in the newsgroup that may or may not pertain
>>>  to the FAQ, and discussions on the FAQ in the newsgroup should be kept
>>>  to a minimum in the first place.
>>   <snip>
>> 
>> E-mailing direct to the FAQ editor is reasonable for spelling
>> corrections and minor clarifications.
>> 
>> Suggested new topics and major changes to existing topics need to be
>> discussed beforehand. In particular, this is needed when the author is
>> not sure if it is worth adding a brand new topic or removing an old
>> topic. The discussion needs to be done in this news group, not in some
>> other messaging system.
> 
> In <news:2836357.Pd7zkTFD91@PointedEars.de> Thomas 'PointedEars'
> recently wrote:
> 
> | However, although as I can see now I had committed myself to
> | considering “<FAQENTRY>” indeed, I  would much prefer to consider
> | (such) suggestions only in FAQ threads that I would start, based on
> | suggestions received via e-mail.
> 
> So apparently, Thomas doesn't want to take such discussions away from
> this newsgroup; instead he wants to streamline the process.  After all,
> this might make it easier for him (and maybe others) to keep an overview
> of the proposals and the related discussion.

Yes, exactly.
 
>> A draft of each non-trivial change needs to be displayed in this news
>> group to allow people time to notice problems or voice objections
>> before the FAQ is updated. At least 2 weeks should be allowed for
>> this.
> 
> IMHO that is reasonable.

Which is why something of the sort was included in my original proposal of 
December 2012 (please see my previous posting for the pertinent references 
as they, rather surgically, had been snipped here *before*).

Admittedly, my proposal was rather long; but this length IMHO was required 
to remove any possibilities for (further) misunderstandings at the time.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#21225 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 21:54:39 +0200, Christoph Michael Becker
<cmbecker69@arcor.de> wrote:


  <snip>
>In <news:2836357.Pd7zkTFD91@PointedEars.de> Thomas 'PointedEars'
>recently wrote:
>
>| However, although as I can see now I had committed myself to
>| considering “<FAQENTRY>” indeed, I  would much prefer to consider
>| (such) suggestions only in FAQ threads that I would start, based on
>| suggestions received via e-mail.
>
>So apparently, Thomas doesn't want to take such discussions away from
>this newsgroup; instead he wants to streamline the process.  After all,
>this might make it easier for him (and maybe others) to keep an overview
>of the proposals and the related discussion.
  <snip>

Thomas has also said that the editor's job is to edit, nothing else.
There are several objections to asking for the editor to process all
suggestions before they are seen in the news group : 
 - It is not his/her job.
 - It is unnecessary bureaucracy.
 - Why delay discussion of a change suggestion just because the editor
   is on holiday or in hospital/jail.
 - What if the editor disapproves of a suggestion and fails to publish
   it for discussion.

Or were you saying the editor should be sent a note saying the
discussion has started ?

Once a consensus has been reached then someone must volunteer to send
the agreed change to the editor.

  John

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#21234 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

On Monday, September 9, 2013 2:55:15 AM UTC-7, John Harris wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 21:54:39 +0200, Christoph Michael Becker
> 
> <cmbecker69@arcor.de> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   <snip>
> 
> >In <news:2836357.Pd7zkTFD91@PointedEars.de> Thomas 'PointedEars'
> 
> >recently wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> >| However, although as I can see now I had committed myself to
> 
> >| considering “<FAQENTRY>” indeed, I  would much prefer to consider
> 
> >| (such) suggestions only in FAQ threads that I would start, based on
> 
> >| suggestions received via e-mail.
> 
> >
> 
> >So apparently, Thomas doesn't want to take such discussions away from
> 
> >this newsgroup; instead he wants to streamline the process.  After all,
> 
> >this might make it easier for him (and maybe others) to keep an overview
> 
> >of the proposals and the related discussion.
> 
>   <snip>
> 
> 
> 
> Thomas has also said that the editor's job is to edit, nothing else.
> 
> There are several objections to asking for the editor to process all
> 
> suggestions before they are seen in the news group : 
> 
>  - It is not his/her job.
> 
>  - It is unnecessary bureaucracy.
> 
>  - Why delay discussion of a change suggestion just because the editor
> 
>    is on holiday or in hospital/jail.
> 
>  - What if the editor disapproves of a suggestion and fails to publish
> 
>    it for discussion.
> 
> 
> 
> Or were you saying the editor should be sent a note saying the
> 
> discussion has started ?
> 
> 
> 
> Once a consensus has been reached then someone must volunteer to send
> 
> the agreed change to the editor.
> 
> 

This one needs work:
<FAQENTRY>

* 10.12 How do I modify the current browser window?

Browsers default security environment limits modification to the current browser window. Methods such as window.resizeTo or window.moveTo are disabled by default in some browsers. 

It is possible to suggest chrome changes in a window.open, however window.open where it is not disabled, will also cause usability problems.

http://pointedears.de/scripts/faq/cljs/#modifyChrome

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689974

http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/201008/please_dont_resize_my_browser_window/
resizeTo firefox

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#21237 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

dhtml wrote:

> [Full quote]

Please don't.
 
> This one needs work:
           ^^^^^^^^^^
> <FAQENTRY>
> 
> * 10.12 How do I modify the current browser window?
> 
> Browsers default security environment limits modification to the current
> browser window. Methods such as window.resizeTo or window.moveTo are
> disabled by default in some browsers.
> 
> It is possible to suggest chrome changes in a window.open, however
> window.open where it is not disabled, will also cause usability problems.
> 
> http://pointedears.de/scripts/faq/cljs/#modifyChrome
> 
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689974
> 
> 
http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/201008/please_dont_resize_my_browser_window/
> resizeTo firefox

Pray tell, which part of

| If you have any suggestions to improve the FAQ for comp.lang.javascript, 
| please
| 
| - say *exactly*
| 
|   + *what* is wrong;
|   + *where* it is wrong, and
|   + *how* you would like it to be changed.
| 
|   Although I do revisions of the FAQ on my own, I do not consider it my
|   job as FAQ maintainer/editor to find the borken/missing link, or to
|   anticipate your wishes.

did you not understand?

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#21264 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:10:28 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
<PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

  <snip>
>Pray tell, which part of


It looks as though someone has forgotten that the rule ...

>| If you have any suggestions to improve the FAQ for comp.lang.javascript, 
>| please
>| 
>| - say *exactly*
>| 
>|   + *what* is wrong;
>|   + *where* it is wrong, and
>|   + *how* you would like it to be changed.
>| 
>|   Although I do revisions of the FAQ on my own, I do not consider it my
>|   job as FAQ maintainer/editor to find the borken/missing link, or to
>|   anticipate your wishes.

... is for handing over completed alterations to the editor.

>did you not understand?

It is *not* the rule for starting a discussion in the news group.

  John

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#21242 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

John Harris wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 21:54:39 +0200, Christoph Michael Becker
> <cmbecker69@arcor.de> wrote:
> 
> 
>   <snip>
>> In <news:2836357.Pd7zkTFD91@PointedEars.de> Thomas 'PointedEars'
>> recently wrote:
>>
>> | However, although as I can see now I had committed myself to
>> | considering “<FAQENTRY>” indeed, I  would much prefer to consider
>> | (such) suggestions only in FAQ threads that I would start, based on
>> | suggestions received via e-mail.
>>
>> So apparently, Thomas doesn't want to take such discussions away from
>> this newsgroup; instead he wants to streamline the process.  After all,
>> this might make it easier for him (and maybe others) to keep an overview
>> of the proposals and the related discussion.
>   <snip>
> 
> Thomas has also said that the editor's job is to edit, nothing else.
> There are several objections to asking for the editor to process all
> suggestions before they are seen in the news group : 
>  - It is not his/her job.
>  - It is unnecessary bureaucracy.
>  - Why delay discussion of a change suggestion just because the editor
>    is on holiday or in hospital/jail.
>  - What if the editor disapproves of a suggestion and fails to publish
>    it for discussion.
> 
> Or were you saying the editor should be sent a note saying the
> discussion has started ?
>
> Once a consensus has been reached then someone must volunteer to send
> the agreed change to the editor.

Well, we have to consider that it is quite likely, that the group won't
reach consesus in many cases (if any).  So, IMHO, we need a maintainer,
not merely an editor--unless we want to keep the FAQ as it is.  You may
rememeber or reread Thomas' suggestions on his role of being the FAQ
maintainer from last December[1].

Why don't we give this an unbureaucratic try?  Thomas' has already set
up a copy of the FAQ and made some minor corrections.  We could start
right away.  You might send an email to Thomas about a suggestion for
the FAQ (say, about attribution lines or posting via Google Groups).
Then we could discuss the issue and see the outcome in the FAQ.

If it turns out that it does not work well for whatever reason, there's
still time to look for another maintainer and/or procedure.

However, I am convinced that Thomas is well aware, that "the needs of
the many outweigh the needs of the few". :)

[1] <news:2715826.m0UDekTA75@PointedEars.de>

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#21272 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

In comp.lang.javascript message <522e4bdc$0$9525$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arc
or-online.net>, Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:30:51, Christoph Michael Becker
<cmbecker69@arcor.de> posted:

>
>Why don't we give this an unbureaucratic try?  Thomas' has already set
>up a copy of the FAQ and made some minor corrections.  We could start
>right away.  You might send an email to Thomas about a suggestion for
>the FAQ (say, about attribution lines or posting via Google Groups).
>Then we could discuss the issue and see the outcome in the FAQ.
>
>If it turns out that it does not work well for whatever reason, there's
>still time to look for another maintainer and/or procedure.


Do you really believe that it will be possible to release the FAQ from
his claws and pack him off to Doorn when he proves intolerable?

Have you actually read the current /echt/ FAQ to the end?

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK.   E-mail, see Home Page.    Turnpike v6.05.
 Website  <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms
 PAS EXE etc. : <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/> - see in 00index.htm
 Dates - miscdate.htm estrdate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc.

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#21334 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

Dr J R Stockton wrote:

> In comp.lang.javascript message <522e4bdc$0$9525$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arc
> or-online.net>, Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:30:51, Christoph Michael Becker
> <cmbecker69@arcor.de> posted:
> 
>>
>> Why don't we give this an unbureaucratic try?  Thomas' has already set
>> up a copy of the FAQ and made some minor corrections.  We could start
>> right away.  You might send an email to Thomas about a suggestion for
>> the FAQ (say, about attribution lines or posting via Google Groups).
>> Then we could discuss the issue and see the outcome in the FAQ.
>>
>> If it turns out that it does not work well for whatever reason, there's
>> still time to look for another maintainer and/or procedure.
> 
> 
> Do you really believe that it will be possible to release the FAQ from
> his claws and pack him off to Doorn when he proves intolerable?

Actually, I firmly believe that this will not be necessary.

> Have you actually read the current /echt/ FAQ to the end?

I assume you're referring to section 14.2 "How do I make a
suggestion?"[1].  I had read that before.  However, I found it
interesting to read todays automated FAQ post[2].  It seems to me that a
consolidation is overdue to avoid confusion for newcomers.

[1] <http://jibbering.com/faq/#makeSuggestion>
[2] <news:523398f7$0$297$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#21356 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

In comp.lang.javascript message <52339f49$0$6556$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arc
or-online.net>, Sat, 14 Sep 2013 01:28:42, Christoph Michael Becker
<cmbecker69@arcor.de> posted:

>Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>
>> In comp.lang.javascript message <522e4bdc$0$9525$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arc
>> or-online.net>, Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:30:51, Christoph Michael Becker
>> <cmbecker69@arcor.de> posted:
>>
>>>
>>> Why don't we give this an unbureaucratic try?  Thomas' has already set
>>> up a copy of the FAQ and made some minor corrections.  We could start
>>> right away.  You might send an email to Thomas about a suggestion for
>>> the FAQ (say, about attribution lines or posting via Google Groups).
>>> Then we could discuss the issue and see the outcome in the FAQ.
>>>
>>> If it turns out that it does not work well for whatever reason, there's
>>> still time to look for another maintainer and/or procedure.
>>
>>
>> Do you really believe that it will be possible to release the FAQ from
>> his claws and pack him off to Doorn when he proves intolerable?
>
>Actually, I firmly believe that this will not be necessary.

That does not answer the carefully-chosen question.


>> Have you actually read the current /echt/ FAQ to the end?
>
>I assume you're referring to section 14.2 "How do I make a
>suggestion?"[1].

Section 14.2 is indeed at the end; and the FAQ is at Jibbering.


>  I had read that before.  However, I found it
>interesting to read todays automated FAQ post[2].  It seems to me that a
>consolidation is overdue to avoid confusion for newcomers.

There were, IIRC, two reasons for the daily FAQ part post :
 (1) To provide a link, mainly for incomers, to the FAQ.
 (2) To incite discussion of a section, perhaps leading to update.

Since there is no update, the second part is scarcely useful.
Given the present volume of posts, the regular posting should be reduced
to a weekly fixed-subject article containing, approximately, the first
sentence of section 1 and the body of section 14.2.

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK.  For Mail, see Home Page.  Turnpike, WinXP.
 Web  <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQ-type topics, acronyms, and links.
 Command-prompt MiniTrue is useful for viewing/searching/altering files. Free,
 DOS/Win/UNIX now 2.0.6;  see my <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/pc-links.htm>.

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#21358 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

On 16/09/2013 3:36 AM, Dr J R Stockton wrote:
> In comp.lang.javascript message <52339f49$0$6556$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arc
> or-online.net>, Sat, 14 Sep 2013 01:28:42, Christoph Michael Becker
> <cmbecker69@arcor.de> posted:
>
>> Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>>
>>> In comp.lang.javascript message <522e4bdc$0$9525$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arc
>>> or-online.net>, Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:30:51, Christoph Michael Becker
>>> <cmbecker69@arcor.de> posted:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why don't we give this an unbureaucratic try?  Thomas' has already set
>>>> up a copy of the FAQ and made some minor corrections.  We could start
>>>> right away.  You might send an email to Thomas about a suggestion for
>>>> the FAQ (say, about attribution lines or posting via Google Groups).
>>>> Then we could discuss the issue and see the outcome in the FAQ.
>>>>
>>>> If it turns out that it does not work well for whatever reason, there's
>>>> still time to look for another maintainer and/or procedure.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you really believe that it will be possible to release the FAQ from
>>> his claws and pack him off to Doorn when he proves intolerable?
>>
>> Actually, I firmly believe that this will not be necessary.
>
> That does not answer the carefully-chosen question.

Why do take any and every opportunity to insult PE (irrespective of how 
offensive many of your remarks are viewed by others)?

IMO PE is a very good choice for a FAQ maintainer.

Andrew Poulos

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#21359 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:26:53 +1000, Andrew Poulos wrote:

> Why do take any and every opportunity to insult PE (irrespective of how
> offensive many of your remarks are viewed by others)?
> 
> IMO PE is a very good choice for a FAQ maintainer.

In my opinion, one of the most important characteristics for a FAQ 
maintainer is a willingness to abide by the collective decision of the 
group for which they maintain the FAQ, even if they disagree with that 
decision.

T'pe'L has never shown the slightest willingness to accept, regardless of 
how big the majority opposing his position is, that his position might 
not actually be the only correct one.

This and this alone causes me to have serious reservations about his 
suitability as a FAQ maintainer, because I can not conceive any 
possibility of him including in the FAQ something that he thinks is 
"wrong", even if every other user of the group thought it was "right".

It is my concern that a FAQ maintained by T'pe'L would over time be 
modified to only contain entries that were correct according to the 
T'pe'L worldview of javascript, and that worldview has many times in the 
past been demonstrably at variance with the majority viewpoint of group 
users.

Unless and until T'pe'L is able to convince the group users that he will 
be willing to abide by the group consensus even when this conflicts with 
his own "one true worldview" in relation to javascript matters, he will 
not in my belief be a viable candidate for FAQ maintainer.

Given the number of group users who seem to have him on ignore as a 
result of their previous interactions with him either in the group or 
elsewhere, I think his ability to convince the users of his suitability 
now is going to be somewhat difficult.

-- 
Denis McMahon - denismfmcmahon@gmail.com

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#21360 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

On 16/09/2013 6:19 PM, Denis McMahon wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:26:53 +1000, Andrew Poulos wrote:
>
>> Why do take any and every opportunity to insult PE (irrespective of how
>> offensive many of your remarks are viewed by others)?
>>
>> IMO PE is a very good choice for a FAQ maintainer.
>
> In my opinion, one of the most important characteristics for a FAQ
> maintainer is a willingness to abide by the collective decision of the
> group for which they maintain the FAQ, even if they disagree with that
> decision.

To my knowledge, the group has yet to make a collective decision.

> T'pe'L has never shown the slightest willingness to accept, regardless of
> how big the majority opposing his position is, that his position might
> not actually be the only correct one.

PE has acknowledged errors when he has made them.

> This and this alone causes me to have serious reservations about his
> suitability as a FAQ maintainer, because I can not conceive any
> possibility of him including in the FAQ something that he thinks is
> "wrong", even if every other user of the group thought it was "right".

There is "correct" and there is "strictly correct" and PE has made his 
preference clear but I wouldn't claim that as a failing.

> It is my concern that a FAQ maintained by T'pe'L would over time be
> modified to only contain entries that were correct according to the
> T'pe'L worldview of javascript, and that worldview has many times in the
> past been demonstrably at variance with the majority viewpoint of group
> users.

I've learnt not to worry about things that will (probably) never happen.

> Unless and until T'pe'L is able to convince the group users that he will
> be willing to abide by the group consensus even when this conflicts with
> his own "one true worldview" in relation to javascript matters, he will
> not in my belief be a viable candidate for FAQ maintainer.

To my knowledge, the group has yet to reach consensus on anything.

> Given the number of group users who seem to have him on ignore as a
> result of their previous interactions with him either in the group or
> elsewhere, I think his ability to convince the users of his suitability
> now is going to be somewhat difficult.

Still that doesn't negate his knowledge of the subject of the FAQ. I for 
one will not be judging the quality/value of the FAQ based on whatever 
someone may think of the maintainer.

Andrew Poulos

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#21362 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 22:52:02 +1000, Andrew Poulos
<ap_prog@hotmail.com> wrote:


  <snip> (n.b "PE" is Thomas Lahn)
>PE has acknowledged errors when he has made them.
  <snip>

All right, we'll believe you. Let's try a little experiment. Here is a
truth that has surprised some people in the past :

The *only* thing in ECMA 262 that stops 
  a = newb();
being parsed the same as
  a = new b();
is the second sentence in section 7 which goes :
"The source text is scanned from left to right, repeatedly taking the
longest possible sequence of characters as the next input element."

  John

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