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  chess applet "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> - 2012-10-25 13:15 +0200
    Re: chess applet Dr.Kral@nyc.rr.com - 2012-10-25 07:33 -0400
      Re: chess applet "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> - 2012-10-25 13:43 +0200
        Re: chess applet Dr.Kral@nyc.rr.com - 2012-10-25 11:40 -0400
          Re: chess applet "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> - 2012-10-25 17:45 +0200
            Re: chess applet "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-10-25 19:18 +0300
          Re: chess applet Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-25 18:58 +0200
          Re: chess applet "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> - 2012-10-26 11:31 +0200
    Re: chess applet "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-10-25 15:34 +0300
      Re: chess applet "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> - 2012-10-25 15:18 +0200
        Re: chess applet SAM <stephanemoriaux.NoAdmin@wanadoo.fr.invalid> - 2012-10-25 15:46 +0200
          Re: chess applet "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> - 2012-10-25 16:11 +0200

#16851 — chess applet

As you can see the chess applet from the firm Chessbase works correctly only 
with Internet Explorer.
http://www.jmrw.com/Chess/Keres/base.htm

It was created  long ago when IE was the dominant browser.

I am going and try to make it works with Firefox.

The most important thing is to make the scrolling of the moves ok.
For the figurines apprar instead of the letter it is less important.
For the sounds I know how to do it.

Pretty difficult I think.

Could you give me advices on how to begin this task?

Thanks

jmrw

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#16853

On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:15:38 +0200, "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> wrote in
<50891f50$0$21948$426a34cc@news.free.fr>:

>... the chess applet from the firm Chessbase ...
<snip>
>Could you give me advices on how to begin this task?

You're modifing some else code -- that you can see it makes it copyright.
Posting it is publication.

The first step is to get permission from the copyright holder.

K.

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#16854

> You're modifing some else code -- that you can see it makes it copyright.
> Posting it is publication.
>
> The first step is to get permission from the copyright holder.
>

I have done modifications years ago and the firm Chessbase did'nt worry 
about it

The proof is that they wrote this article on their website after these 
modifications
http://www.chessbase.com/searchresult.asp

jmrw

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#16861

On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:43:48 +0200, "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> wrote in
<508925ea$0$16493$426a34cc@news.free.fr>:

>> You're modifying someone else's code -- that you can see it makes it copyright.
>> Posting it is publication.
>>
>> The first step is to get permission from the copyright holder.

>I have done modifications years ago and the firm Chessbase did'nt worry 
>about it
So you were rude before.  Does that mean you may be rude again?  The people
that commented on it could well be ignorant of the copyright issues.  And
if it is to their liking then it should go on their site not yours.  

It is simple curtesy to ASK permission to post your modification BEFORE the
fact.

>The proof is that they wrote this article on their website after these 
>modifications
>http://www.chessbase.com/searchresult.asp
Which of the recent 21 items mentioned there am I suppose to look at.

And that is not proof in any case for the reason I mentioned.  It might
also have been an outsider's comment not from the site owners.

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#16862

<Dr.Kral@nyc.rr.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 
2rmi88t87i227tgmm5m9ggt1c4hs39ib5s@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:43:48 +0200, "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> wrote in
> <508925ea$0$16493$426a34cc@news.free.fr>:
>
> It is simple curtesy to ASK permission to post your modification BEFORE 
> the
> fact.

Ok I'will ASK permission.

jmrw

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#16863

2012-10-25 18:45, jmrw wrote:

> Ok I'will ASK permission.

As you like, but it would probably be less work and more useful to write 
the application from scratch, in a browser-independent way.

-- 
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

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#16864

Dr.Kral@nyc.rr.com wrote:

> "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> wrote in:
>>> You're modifying someone else's code -- that you can see it makes it
>>> copyright. Posting it is publication.
>>>
>>> The first step is to get permission from the copyright holder.

That depends on the software license.  Assuming it was not a free software 
license (or some other permissive license):

>>I have done modifications years ago and the firm Chessbase did'nt worry
>>about it
> So you were rude before.  Does that mean you may be rude again?  […]

s/rude/in violation of the law/g


PointedEars, IANAL
-- 
Sometimes, what you learn is wrong. If those wrong ideas are close to the 
root of the knowledge tree you build on a particular subject, pruning the 
bad branches can sometimes cause the whole tree to collapse.
  -- Mike Duffy in cljs, <news:Xns9FB6521286DB8invalidcom@94.75.214.39>

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#16889

<Dr.Kral@nyc.rr.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 
2rmi88t87i227tgmm5m9ggt1c4hs39ib5s@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:43:48 +0200, "jmrw" <jmrw@free.fr> wrote in
> <508925ea$0$16493$426a34cc@news.free.fr>:
>
>>> You're modifying someone else's code -- that you can see it makes it 
>>> copyright.
>>> Posting it is publication.
>>>
>>> The first step is to get permission from the copyright holder.
>
I phoned them.

They told me the improvements I wanted to do have been done in their last 
version.

So it was very usefull for me to post this subjet.

thanks

jmrw 

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#16855

2012-10-25 14:15, jmrw wrote:

> As you can see the chess applet from the firm Chessbase works correctly only
> with Internet Explorer.

What applet? Applets, i.e. Java applications embedded on web pages would 
be off-topic here, and besides I don't see any applet on the page you 
mentioned.

And you're not saying what is wrong with it. It looks like a fairly 
simple page where chess moves can be shown graphically.

> I am going and try to make it works with Firefox.

It seems to work on Firefox too. Differently, but the differences are 
layout and styling etc. issue, not

> The most important thing is to make the scrolling of the moves ok.

First, define "ok". Then design and implement the scrolling.

> For the figurines apprar instead of the letter it is less important.

The page seems to use font face tricks to make letters look like chess 
pieces, instead of properly using chess piece characters. And it 
probably uses IE-only web font technique (EOT). Nothing to do with 
JavaScript, really.

-- 
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

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#16856

> What applet? Applets, i.e. Java applications embedded on web pages would
> be off-topic here, and besides I don't see any applet on the page you 
> mentioned.
Maybe I used wrong words

There are two files of js :
http://www.jmrw.com/Chess/Keres/basej0.js
and
http://www.jmrw.com/Chess/Keres/basej0c.js

> And you're not saying what is wrong with it. It looks like a fairly simple 
> page where chess moves can be shown graphically.
Look the difference between the beahviour under IE and Firefox.


>> I am going and try to make it works with Firefox.
 > It seems to work on Firefox too. Differently, but the differences are
> layout and styling etc. issue, not

Look the difference between the beahviour under IE and Firefox.

>> The most important thing is to make the scrolling of the moves ok.
> First, define "ok". Then design and implement the scrolling.
What do you mean ?
>
>> For the figurines apprar instead of the letter it is less important.
> The page seems to use font face tricks to make letters look like chess 
> pieces, instead of properly using chess piece characters. And it probably 
> uses IE-only web font technique (EOT). Nothing to do with JavaScript, 
> really.
I agree

jmrw 

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#16859

Le 25/10/12 15:18, jmrw a écrit :

JM, il faut que tu laisses aussi les réfs du messager auquel tu réponds.
Who was talking to you jmrw ?

>> And you're not saying what is wrong with it. It looks like a fairly simple
>> page where chess moves can be shown graphically.
> Look the difference between the beahviour under IE and Firefox.

Moi, je n'ai pas IE. What (which) behaviour ?
I suppose something sliding, no? (un déplacement visible)

>>> I am going and try to make it works with Firefox.
>   > It seems to work on Firefox too. Differently, but the differences are
>> layout and styling etc. issue, not
>
> Look the difference between the beahviour under IE and Firefox.

Le gars te dit que ça n'a pas de réelle importance, la preuve : ça ne 
m'a jamais géné
The guy tells you that it does not really matter.
The proof : I was never been embarrassed in Firefiox's mode

>>> The most important thing is to make the scrolling of the moves ok.
>> First, define "ok". Then design and implement the scrolling.
> What do you mean ?

définis ce que tu penses être OK
et réalise la glissade de la pièce (DW est ton ami)

S'il pouvait il y avoir une petite explosion lors d'une capture (avec 
bruit assorti) !
If there could be a small explosion at a capture (with sound attached)!

>>> For the figurines apprar instead of the letter it is less important.
>> The page seems to use font face tricks to make letters look like chess
>> pieces, instead of properly using chess piece characters. And it probably
>> uses IE-only web font technique (EOT). Nothing to do with JavaScript,
>> really.
> I agree

OUF !


-- 
Stéphane Moriaux avec/with iMac-intel

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#16860

"SAM" <stephanemoriaux.NoAdmin@wanadoo.fr.invalid> a écrit dans le message 
de news: 508942ca$0$21241$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr...
> Le 25/10/12 15:18, jmrw a écrit :
>
> JM, il faut que tu laisses aussi les réfs du messager auquel tu réponds.
> Who was talking to you jmrw ?
Ok

>>> And you're not saying what is wrong with it. It looks like a fairly 
>>> simple
>>> page where chess moves can be shown graphically.
>> Look the difference between the beahviour under IE and Firefox.
>
> Moi, je n'ai pas IE. What (which) behaviour ?
> I suppose something sliding, no? (un déplacement visible)

With Internet Explorer each time you press on a button, a cursor moves on 
this move and if necessary teh page scroll.


>>>> I am going and try to make it works with Firefox.
>>   > It seems to work on Firefox too. Differently, but the differences are
>>> layout and styling etc. issue, not
>>
>> Look the difference between the beahviour under IE and Firefox.
> Le gars te dit que ça n'a pas de réelle importance, la preuve : ça ne m'a 
> jamais géné
> The guy tells you that it does not really matter.
> The proof : I was never been embarrassed in Firefiox's mode

It is very important to follow the game

>>>> The most important thing is to make the scrolling of the moves ok.
>>> First, define "ok". Then design and implement the scrolling.
>> What do you mean ?
>
> définis ce que tu penses être OK
> et réalise la glissade de la pièce (DW est ton ami)
>
> S'il pouvait il y avoir une petite explosion lors d'une capture (avec 
> bruit assorti) !
> If there could be a small explosion at a capture (with sound attached)!

It is the case under IE

jmrw 

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