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  Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-05-17 01:19 -0700
    Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-05-17 01:44 -0700
      Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-05-17 01:50 -0700
    Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-05-17 10:17 +0100
      Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-05-17 08:36 -0400
        Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-05-17 20:30 -0400
          Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2016-05-17 19:26 -0700
            Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS "Fernando D. Bozzo" <fdbozzo@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 02:21 -0700
              Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2016-05-19 05:04 -0700
                Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2016-05-19 14:36 +0200
                  Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-05-19 14:37 +0100
                    Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-19 18:18 +0200
                    Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-05-19 18:21 +0200
                      Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-05-19 18:22 +0100
                        Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-05-19 21:51 +0200
                  Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS "Fernando D. Bozzo" <fdbozzo@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 03:47 -0700
                    Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-05-20 11:57 +0100
                      Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-05-21 20:09 +0100
                    Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-05-20 13:07 +0200
                      Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS "Fernando D. Bozzo" <fdbozzo@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 05:09 -0700
                      Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS "Fernando D. Bozzo" <fdbozzo@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 05:23 -0700
                  Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS "Fernando D. Bozzo" <fdbozzo@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 03:54 -0700
                    Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-05-20 12:06 +0100
                  Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS "Fernando D. Bozzo" <fdbozzo@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 04:04 -0700
                    Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS Scott Sauyet <scott@sauyet.com> - 2016-05-23 03:21 +0000
                      Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS "Mel Smith" <syntel@cox.net> - 2016-05-24 16:03 -0600
          Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-05-18 08:57 +0100
          Re: Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-05-18 08:58 +0100

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#30453 — Modular code, HTML, HTML5 and JS

I decided to try write abit more modular code, but i have no real good example of how to do it.

Lets say i have index.html and main.js, i do have figured out how to call main.js from index.html. 

But what i would like to know is how do i refer a form with a textfiel within index.html?
Do the script know in which document the refered form reside?

In HTML pages with inline/embedded javascript, i know one do it like this.

document.myform.mytext.value = somedata;

I never quite understood what document refer to in this case.
I do have a memory passing data between frames, but never done it between a js and html file.

Is it enough just refer to the form like above? 

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#30455

Den tisdag 17 maj 2016 kl. 10:19:37 UTC+2 skrev jonas.t...@gmail.com:
> I decided to try write abit more modular code, but i have no real good example of how to do it.
> 
> Lets say i have index.html and main.js, i do have figured out how to call main.js from index.html. 
> 
> But what i would like to know is how do i refer a form with a textfiel within index.html?
> Do the script know in which document the refered form reside?
> 
> In HTML pages with inline/embedded javascript, i know one do it like this.
> 
> document.myform.mytext.value = somedata;
> 
> I never quite understood what document refer to in this case.
> I do have a memory passing data between frames, but never done it between a js and html file.
> 
> Is it enough just refer to the form like above?

It worked, but how to have each function reside within individual files is it just by listing the src within index.html?

<script type="text/javascript" src="main.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" src="one.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" src="two.js"></script>

And so on? will the functions within one and two be reachable from main without further refereces?

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#30456

Den tisdag 17 maj 2016 kl. 10:44:12 UTC+2 skrev jonas.t...@gmail.com:
> Den tisdag 17 maj 2016 kl. 10:19:37 UTC+2 skrev jonas.t...@gmail.com:
> > I decided to try write abit more modular code, but i have no real good example of how to do it.
> > 
> > Lets say i have index.html and main.js, i do have figured out how to call main.js from index.html. 
> > 
> > But what i would like to know is how do i refer a form with a textfiel within index.html?
> > Do the script know in which document the refered form reside?
> > 
> > In HTML pages with inline/embedded javascript, i know one do it like this.
> > 
> > document.myform.mytext.value = somedata;
> > 
> > I never quite understood what document refer to in this case.
> > I do have a memory passing data between frames, but never done it between a js and html file.
> > 
> > Is it enough just refer to the form like above?
> 
> It worked, but how to have each function reside within individual files is it just by listing the src within index.html?
> 
> <script type="text/javascript" src="main.js"></script>
> <script type="text/javascript" src="one.js"></script>
> <script type="text/javascript" src="two.js"></script>
> 
> And so on? will the functions within one and two be reachable from main without further refereces?

It worked, what is the penalty timewise to have the functions reside each within one file? Is it just the load time of script that change?

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#30457

In article <ec9a7a6b-b3af-4d83-9b28-e9fff5c24f4b@googlegroups.com>,
<jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> wrote:

>I decided to try write abit more modular code, but i have no real good example
>of how to do it.
>
>Lets say i have index.html and main.js, i do have figured out how to call
>main.js from index.html. 
>
>But what i would like to know is how do i refer a form with a textfiel within
>index.html?
>Do the script know in which document the refered form reside?
>
>In HTML pages with inline/embedded javascript, i know one do it like this.
>
>document.myform.mytext.value = somedata;
>
>I never quite understood what document refer to in this case.
>I do have a memory passing data between frames, but never done it between a js
>and html file.

Why don't you buy a good book on html, another good book on javascript,
and READ THEM.

-- 
"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without 
evidence."
-- Christopher Hitchens

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#30458

On Tue, 17 May 2016 10:17:52 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

>In article <ec9a7a6b-b3af-4d83-9b28-e9fff5c24f4b@googlegroups.com>,
><jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I decided to try write abit more modular code, but i have no real good example
>>of how to do it.
>>
>>Lets say i have index.html and main.js, i do have figured out how to call
>>main.js from index.html. 
>>
>>But what i would like to know is how do i refer a form with a textfiel within
>>index.html?
>>Do the script know in which document the refered form reside?
>>
>>In HTML pages with inline/embedded javascript, i know one do it like this.
>>
>>document.myform.mytext.value = somedata;
>>
>>I never quite understood what document refer to in this case.
>>I do have a memory passing data between frames, but never done it between a js
>>and html file.
>
>Why don't you buy a good book on html, another good book on javascript,
>and READ THEM.

Better yet, buy a book on PHP and don't bother visitors with running
javascript for basic functionality

Javascript is turned off in my default browser.

I might fire up a different browser for *your* site, but I will
probably look first for a site that has a better design. If I find
one, I will go there instead.

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#30464

On 17/05/16 08:36, Wally W. wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2016 10:17:52 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:
> 
>> In article <ec9a7a6b-b3af-4d83-9b28-e9fff5c24f4b@googlegroups.com>,
>> <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I decided to try write abit more modular code, but i have no real good example
>>> of how to do it.
>>>
>>> Lets say i have index.html and main.js, i do have figured out how to call
>>> main.js from index.html. 
>>>
>>> But what i would like to know is how do i refer a form with a textfiel within
>>> index.html?
>>> Do the script know in which document the refered form reside?
>>>
>>> In HTML pages with inline/embedded javascript, i know one do it like this.
>>>
>>> document.myform.mytext.value = somedata;
>>>
>>> I never quite understood what document refer to in this case.
>>> I do have a memory passing data between frames, but never done it between a js
>>> and html file.
>>
>> Why don't you buy a good book on html, another good book on javascript,
>> and READ THEM.

Why buy? everything is one web-search-engine search away.

> Better yet, buy a book on PHP and don't bother visitors with running
> javascript for basic functionality

Why not?

> Javascript is turned off in my default browser.
> 
> I might fire up a different browser for *your* site, but I will
> probably look first for a site that has a better design. If I find
> one, I will go there instead.

People employing this criteria are the vast minority so you hardly exert
any sort of pressure to web developers.

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#30468

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 7:30:24 PM UTC-5, Aleksandro wrote:
> On 17/05/16 08:36, Wally W. wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 May 2016 10:17:52 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

> >> Why don't you buy a good book on html, another good book on javascript,
> >> and READ THEM.
> 
> Why buy? everything is one web-search-engine search away.

When coming from a position of ignorance, having a paradox of choice is hardly useful. What's disappointing is that the CLJS FAQ is quite dated regarding books/references:

<http://pointedears.de/scripts/faq/cljs/#books>

Admittedly I haven't done my part in submitting an update though...

I will of course give my personal suggestions of reading material on JavaScript for beginners/intermediate:

<http://eloquentjavascript.net/>
<http://effectivejs.com/>
<https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript>
<http://speakingjs.com/>
<http://exploringjs.com/>

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#30476

El miércoles, 18 de mayo de 2016, 4:26:51 (UTC+2), Michael Haufe (TNO)  escribió:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 7:30:24 PM UTC-5, Aleksandro wrote:
> > On 17/05/16 08:36, Wally W. wrote:
> > > On Tue, 17 May 2016 10:17:52 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:
> 
> > >> Why don't you buy a good book on html, another good book on javascript,
> > >> and READ THEM.
> > 
> > Why buy? everything is one web-search-engine search away.
> 
> When coming from a position of ignorance, having a paradox of choice is hardly useful. What's disappointing is that the CLJS FAQ is quite dated regarding books/references:
> 
> <http://pointedears.de/scripts/faq/cljs/#books>
> 
> Admittedly I haven't done my part in submitting an update though...
> 
> I will of course give my personal suggestions of reading material on JavaScript for beginners/intermediate:
> 
> <http://eloquentjavascript.net/>
> <http://effectivejs.com/>
> <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript>
> <http://speakingjs.com/>
> <http://exploringjs.com/>

Hi Michael:

Are you the forum admin? If yes, then this links should be at the header of the forum as a fixed reference, as other Google groups have, because being as a normal post nobody can find them easyly.

Best Regards.-

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#30477

On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 4:21:43 AM UTC-5, Fernando D. Bozzo wrote:

> Hi Michael:
> 
> Are you the forum admin? 

No

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#30478

On 19.05.2016 at 14:04, Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote:

> On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 4:21:43 AM UTC-5, Fernando D. Bozzo wrote:
> 
>> Hi Michael:
>>
>> Are you the forum admin? 
> 
> No

And actually, this is not a forum, but an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup.

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#30479

In article <nhkbve$olf$1@solani.org>, Christoph M. Becker
<cmbecker69@arcor.de> wrote:

>On 19.05.2016 at 14:04, Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 4:21:43 AM UTC-5, Fernando D. Bozzo wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Michael:
>>>
>>> Are you the forum admin? 
>> 
>> No
>
>And actually, this is not a forum, but an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup.

And it has nothing to do with Google Groups.

-- 
"The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to
 lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores 
 the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them
 into it in the first place."                             - Douglas Adams

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#30481

Stefan Ram wrote:

> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> writes:
>>And it has nothing to do with Google Groups.
> 
>   When one believes that the expression
>   »has something to do with« means »is the same as«.
> 
>   Dictionaries, however, explain it as:
> 
> have to do with
> 
> 1. to be related to or connected with
> 2. to be associated with; deal with

this.facepalm();

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Twitter: @PointedEars2 | ES Matrix: <http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix>
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#30482

ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote on 19 May 2016 in 
comp.lang.javascript:

> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> writes:
>>And it has nothing to do with Google Groups.
> 
>   When one believes that the expression 
>   »has something to do with« means »is the same as«.

This is about perceived facts, not by believes.
 
>   Dictionaries, however, explain it as:
> 
> have to do with
> 
> 1. to be related to or connected with

Perhaps it is "connected to" in a "one way" sense, 
and as done by Google not by Usenet,
but it is no more "connected with"
than Usenet with each of us.

> 2. to be associated with;

Guild by association, perhaps?

> deal with

It is not a "done deal",
they only bought a database of usenet history,
called "www.dejanews.com" 
and look how they raped the poor thing.
 

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#30483

In article <XnsA60DBAB41CB20eejj99@194.109.6.166>, Evertjan.
<exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:

>ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote on 19 May 2016 in 
>comp.lang.javascript:
>
>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> writes:
>>>And it has nothing to do with Google Groups.
>> 
>>   When one believes that the expression 
>>   »has something to do with« means »is the same as«.
>
>This is about perceived facts, not by believes.

Usenet has nothing to do with Google Groups, even though Google Groups
thinks it has something to do with Usenet. But it doesn't actually tell
people that, so the poor saps go around thinking that what they are
using actually *is* Google Groups, when it isn't.

That clear now?

-- 
"People don't buy Microsoft for quality, they buy it for compatibility
with what Bob in accounting bought last year. Trace it back - they buy
Microsoft because the IBM Selectric didn't suck much" - P Seebach, afc

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#30484

Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote on 19 May 2016 in 
comp.lang.javascript:

> In article <XnsA60DBAB41CB20eejj99@194.109.6.166>, Evertjan.
> <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:
> 
>>ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote on 19 May 2016 in 
>>comp.lang.javascript:
>>
>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> writes:
>>>>And it has nothing to do with Google Groups.
>>> 
>>>   When one believes that the expression 
>>>   »has something to do with« means »is the same as«.
>>
>>This is about perceived facts, not by believes.
> 
> Usenet has nothing to do with Google Groups, even though Google Groups
> thinks it has something to do with Usenet. But it doesn't actually tell
> people that, so the poor saps go around thinking that what they are
> using actually *is* Google Groups, when it isn't.
> 
> That clear now?

Are we aggressive now!

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#30485

El jueves, 19 de mayo de 2016, 14:36:04 (UTC+2), Christoph M. Becker  escribió:
> On 19.05.2016 at 14:04, Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 4:21:43 AM UTC-5, Fernando D. Bozzo wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi Michael:
> >>
> >> Are you the forum admin? 
> > 
> > No
> 
> And actually, this is not a forum, but an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup.
> 
> -- 
> Christoph M. Becker

You are right, but normally the Groups in Google are created by developers that are admin of groups they create, so they can do things like I've asked.

I do not know very well the origin of the new Usenet Groups like this one. How are created?

I'm looking at this Newsgroup from Google Groups. Can this Usenet Groups be read from another site or in another way?

Sorry for my questions about this, but I have not all the info about those, and at the beginning I've used the microsoft groups.

Thanks!

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#30487

In article <ca75e0fc-13bf-46e5-bc53-d1673cb32aee@googlegroups.com>,
Fernando D. Bozzo <fdbozzo@gmail.com> wrote:

>El jueves, 19 de mayo de 2016, 14:36:04 (UTC+2), Christoph M. Becker  escribió:
>> On 19.05.2016 at 14:04, Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote:
>> 
>> > On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 4:21:43 AM UTC-5, Fernando D. Bozzo wrote:
>> > 
>> >> Hi Michael:
>> >>
>> >> Are you the forum admin? 
>> > 
>> > No
>> 
>> And actually, this is not a forum, but an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup.

>You are right, but normally the Groups in Google are created by developers
>that are admin of groups they create, so they can do things like I've asked.

This group has been on usenet for years and years. Google is just
parasiting off usenet.

>I do not know very well the origin of the new Usenet Groups like this one. How
>are created?
>
>I'm looking at this Newsgroup from Google Groups. Can this Usenet Groups be
>read from another site or in another way?

Use a newsreader. On my Mac I use Thoth, but you could use Thunderbird.
You then need a news feed. I get mine from news.individual.net (see
their website at www.individual.net). It costs €10/year which I
consider cheap. Other sites are free but are not necessarily well
supported.

-- 
"Freedom is sloppy. But since tyranny's the only guaranteed byproduct of
those who insist on a perfect world, freedom will have to do." -- Bigby Wolf

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#30504

In comp.lang.javascript message <200520161157395202%timstreater@greenbee
.net>, Fri, 20 May 2016 11:57:39, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> posted:

>
>Use a newsreader. On my Mac I use Thoth, but you could use Thunderbird.
>You then need a news feed. I get mine from news.individual.net (see
>their website at www.individual.net). It costs €10/year which I
>consider cheap. Other sites are free but are not necessarily well
>supported.

I find AIOE and Eternal-September to be perfectly satisfactory.
Moreover, it seems better not to send avoidable Euros to the .de region;
they have far too many already.


-- 
 (c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK.  ¬@merlyn.demon.co.uk   Turnpike v6.05   MIME.
 Merlyn Web Site <                       > - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.

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#30490

"Fernando D. Bozzo" <fdbozzo@gmail.com> wrote on 20 May 2016 in
comp.lang.javascript: 

> I do not know very well the origin of the new Usenet Groups like this
> one. 

Usenet started operating on the internet in 1980 
[while www, the World Wide Web, is 10 years younger!]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet>

This usenet newsgroup, comp.lang.javascript, is from 1996
<https://www.obscure.org/javascript/archives/msg00031.html>

Google Groups became operational in February 2001, 
following Google's acquisition of Deja's Usenet archive. 
Deja News had been operational since 1995.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups>

> How are created? 

Read the wiki of Usenet above.

This group is about javascript, 
not about Usenet in general,
so such Qs are OT.

>  like this one. 

Well, you should.

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#30492

El viernes, 20 de mayo de 2016, 13:08:15 (UTC+2), Evertjan.  escribió:
> "Fernando D. Bozzo" <fdbozzo@gmail.com> wrote on 20 May 2016 in
> comp.lang.javascript: 
> 
> > I do not know very well the origin of the new Usenet Groups like this
> > one. 
> 
> Usenet started operating on the internet in 1980 
> [while www, the World Wide Web, is 10 years younger!]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet>
> 
> This usenet newsgroup, comp.lang.javascript, is from 1996
> <https://www.obscure.org/javascript/archives/msg00031.html>
> 
> Google Groups became operational in February 2001, 
> following Google's acquisition of Deja's Usenet archive. 
> Deja News had been operational since 1995.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups>
> 
> > How are created? 
> 
> Read the wiki of Usenet above.
> 
> This group is about javascript, 
> not about Usenet in general,
> so such Qs are OT.
> 
> >  like this one. 
> 
> Well, you should.
> 
> -- 
> Evertjan.
> The Netherlands.
> (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

Very thanks for the info!

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