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  Re: The ECMA standard: too harsh a tone? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-02 01:38 +0100
    Re: The ECMA standard: too harsh a tone? Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 09:23 -0800

#29097 — Re: The ECMA standard: too harsh a tone?

Stefan Ram wrote:

>   Usually, the more prominent and powerful a person gets,
>   the more moderate gets his tone.

Cite evidence.
 
>   And Douglas Crockford is one of the most prominent authors
>   in the world of JavaScript.
> 
>   About the ECMA-Standard he writes on his page

There is not “the ECMA-Standard”.  ECMA-262 (“ECMAScript Language 
Specification”) is one of several standards published by Ecma International.
 
> www.crockford.com/javascript/javascript.html
> 
>   as follows: »

This is _not_ how one quotes a source properly, neither in Usenet nor 
elsewhere.
 
> Substandard Standard« ... »extremely poor quality« ...
> »ECMA and the TC39 committee should be deeply embarrassed
> 
>   «. I am sorry, but for such a prominent man, isn't this
>   a little bit too harsh a tone?

No, it is.  But also note the date when this was written.

>   Do you agree with his assessment?

No.

>   He might have written this some years ago referring to
>   a previous version of the standard.

*Might*?

>   But he has not since revoked or clarified it either.

Like other people, Douglas Crockford has many misconceptions.  
Unfortunately, many of his lie within his favorite topic.

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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Stefan Ram wrote:

>> Substandard Standard« ... »extremely poor quality« ...
>> »ECMA and the TC39 committee should be deeply embarrassed
>> 
>>   «. I am sorry, but for such a prominent man, isn't this
>>   a little bit too harsh a tone?
> 
> No, it is.  But also note the date when this was written.

That's a bit tricky.  The document does not detail a publication
date, either in its text or in its metadata.  It does mention a
copyright year of 2001, but it also makes reference to an edition
of a book not published until 2006.

The WayBack Machine [1] has snapshots of this document going back
as far as 2002-08-10, and the oldest one makes reference to an
earlier edition of that same book, one published in December, 2001.
I did not try to do any further comparison of that old snapshot to
the current document, though.

Without a fair bit more research, those are the only clues I have 
to the age of the document, other than my own somewhat fuzzy memory
of how long it's been since I first saw it.

  [1]: <https://web.archive.org>

  -- Scott

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