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  FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-09-01 13:49 -0700
    Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2013-09-02 15:03 -0400
      Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-02 21:51 +0200
        Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-09-05 20:06 -0700
          [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-06 12:14 +0200
            Re: [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen) John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-07 15:44 +0100
              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-08 21:54 +0200
                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-09 02:20 +0200
                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-09 10:55 +0100
                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-09-09 13:53 -0700
                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-10 00:10 +0200
                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-11 14:58 +0100
                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-10 00:30 +0200
                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-11 19:28 +0100
                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-14 01:28 +0200
                        Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-15 18:36 +0100
                          Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-09-16 12:26 +1000
                            Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 08:19 +0000
                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-09-16 22:52 +1000
                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-16 16:00 +0100
                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-16 22:08 +0200
                                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 23:23 +0200
                                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-17 00:53 +0200
                                        Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-09-17 01:14 +0100
                                          Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-17 15:35 +0100
                                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-17 15:32 +0100
                                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-18 01:12 +0200
                                        Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-18 10:12 +0100
                                          Re: [FAQ] Suggestions "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-18 11:52 +0200
                                            Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-19 11:29 +0100
                                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-19 13:44 +0200
                                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-20 11:39 +0100
                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-27 01:40 +0200
                                                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-28 17:54 +0100
                                                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 01:04 +0000
                                                        Re: [FAQ] Suggestions dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-09-28 21:03 -0700
                                                        Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-30 14:22 +0200
                                                          Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-01 10:52 +0100
                                                            Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-02 01:39 +0200
                                                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-02 15:18 +0100
                                                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-02 23:14 +0200
                                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-10-03 09:54 +0200
                                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-03 15:50 +0100
                                                                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-07 23:03 +0200
                                                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 19:01 +0200
                                                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-06 10:45 -0700
                                                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-06 20:14 +0100
                                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-07 12:50 -0700
                                                                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-10-07 21:57 +0000
                                                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-07 22:43 +0200
                                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-10-10 02:10 +0200
                                                          Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-01 19:29 +0100
                                                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-02 01:52 +0200
                                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Swifty <steve.j.swift@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 18:07 +0100
                                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-19 21:23 +0200
                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-20 11:48 +0100
                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2013-09-20 12:24 -0700
                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-17 00:03 +0200
                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-09 19:46 +0100
            Re: [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen) Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-07 20:11 +0100
              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-09-07 23:59 +0100
                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen) "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-08 09:24 +0200
                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-08 22:01 +0200
              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-12 15:12 +0200
                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-09-12 14:33 +0100
                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-12 15:43 +0200
    Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-02 23:15 +0200
    Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-02 19:02 +0100
      Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-09-05 20:05 -0700
        Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-12 12:05 +0200
          Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2013-09-12 13:22 +0300
            Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-12 15:29 +0200
              Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Mike Duffy <md_002@videotron.ca> - 2013-09-12 10:43 -0400
          Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-12 16:19 +0100
            Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-12 18:08 +0200
              Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-13 15:51 +0100
          Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-13 20:32 +0100
            Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-09-19 01:40 +0200
    Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-03 00:02 +0200
    Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-03 01:10 +0200
      Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-04 19:50 +0000

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#21521 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

John Harris wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 01:39:51 +0200, Christoph Michael Becker
> <cmbecker69@arcor.de> wrote:
> 
>> John Harris wrote:
> 
>   <snip>
>>> Let us remind ourselves : an ad hominem argument is one that takes the
>>> general form :
>>>
>>>   What you say is wrong because you are a/an <insult>.
>>
>> No.  An "ad hominem" argument *can* be made without any insult, e.g. in
>> the case of some "ad hominem to quoque" arguments.
> 
> Thomas may be using one phrase to mean two different things, but if he
> is then it's his problem, not mine.

I had looked that up on Wikipedia[1], where "Tu quoque" (sorry for the
typo above) is listed as one kind of "Ad hominem" argument.

>> [snipped "ex falso quodlibet" argumentation]
> 
> If Wikipedia's definition of "ex falso quodlibet" is correct then you
> have quoted the wrong Latin phrase. Are you trying to say my 'ad
> hominem' count is wrong ? (If so it's still the wrong Latin phrase).

I have said that your first argument was wrong.  If the first argument
is wrong, following arguments based on this argument are irrelevant.  In
other words, from false assumptions anything can be concluded.  If "ex
falso quodlibet" isn't a proper Latin phrase to translate that, I have
to apologize.

>> Um, I wonder, do we argue on c.l.js about arguing, *or* do we look for a
>> maintainer of the FAQ to stop further sending of outdated information by
>> a bot and leading newcomers to this outdated information?
>   <snip>
> 
> We are doing job interviews where the candidates' suitability for the
> job of FAQ Maintainer are being discussed. 

Well, I'm not doing a job interview with a candidate--I'm hoping to find
a *volunteer* who is willing to spend part of his free time to update
and improve the group's FAQ.

>                                             Evidence from their posted
> Usenet articles are about the only evidence we have.

Regarding Thomas we have better evidence, namely the changes he has made
to the FAQ[2].

[1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem>
[2]
<http://pointedears.de/wsvn/FAQs/trunk/cljs/?op=log&isdir=1&showchanges=1>

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#21523 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> I have said that your first argument was wrong.  If the first argument
> is wrong, following arguments based on this argument are irrelevant.  In
> other words, from false assumptions anything can be concluded.  If "ex
> falso quodlibet" isn't a proper Latin phrase to translate that, I have
> to apologize.

No, you are correct.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#21529 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 23:14:48 +0200, Christoph Michael Becker
<cmbecker69@arcor.de> wrote:

>John Harris wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 01:39:51 +0200, Christoph Michael Becker
>> <cmbecker69@arcor.de> wrote:
>> 
>>> John Harris wrote:
>> 
>>   <snip>
>>>> Let us remind ourselves : an ad hominem argument is one that takes the
>>>> general form :
>>>>
>>>>   What you say is wrong because you are a/an <insult>.
>>>
>>> No.  An "ad hominem" argument *can* be made without any insult, e.g. in
>>> the case of some "ad hominem to quoque" arguments.
>> 
>> Thomas may be using one phrase to mean two different things, but if he
>> is then it's his problem, not mine.
>
>I had looked that up on Wikipedia[1], where "Tu quoque" (sorry for the
>typo above) is listed as one kind of "Ad hominem" argument.

Yes, Tu Quoque is a relative. "Your law is bad because you've broken
it" is a kind of "Your law is bad because you are a criminal".

Still, I don't think Thomas meant both.


>>> [snipped "ex falso quodlibet" argumentation]
>> 
>> If Wikipedia's definition of "ex falso quodlibet" is correct then you
>> have quoted the wrong Latin phrase. Are you trying to say my 'ad
>> hominem' count is wrong ? (If so it's still the wrong Latin phrase).
>
>I have said that your first argument was wrong.  

And I say it is right : the correct count is zero. Have you an example
to the contrary ?


>If the first argument
>is wrong, following arguments based on this argument are irrelevant.  In
>other words, from false assumptions anything can be concluded.

Be very careful when you say "false assumptions". The fallacy is to
argue from contradictory assumptions. A deduction from something that
isn't true can be perfectly good but still be irrelevent. For
instance, the deduction
  "The sky is blue, therefore red things are easily spotted"
is useful on earth, but not on Mars.

And another thing : when you say ex falso quodlibet you've overlooked
the fact that I haven't deduced anything. I'm merely correcting part
of Thomas's table. Saying A is not the same as saying A, therefore B.


>If "ex
>falso quodlibet" isn't a proper Latin phrase to translate that, I have
>to apologize.

It's proper, though 'falso' is rather a misleading word.


  <snip>

  John

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#21574 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

John Harris wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 23:14:48 +0200, Christoph Michael Becker
> <cmbecker69@arcor.de> wrote:
> 
>> John Harris wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 01:39:51 +0200, Christoph Michael Becker
>>> <cmbecker69@arcor.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Harris wrote:
>>>
>>>   <snip>
>>>>> Let us remind ourselves : an ad hominem argument is one that takes the
>>>>> general form :
>>>>>
>>>>>   What you say is wrong because you are a/an <insult>.
>>>>
>>>> No.  An "ad hominem" argument *can* be made without any insult, e.g. in
>>>> the case of some "ad hominem to quoque" arguments.
>>>
>>> Thomas may be using one phrase to mean two different things, but if he
>>> is then it's his problem, not mine.
>>
>> I had looked that up on Wikipedia[1], where "Tu quoque" (sorry for the
>> typo above) is listed as one kind of "Ad hominem" argument.
> 
> Yes, Tu Quoque is a relative. "Your law is bad because you've broken
> it" is a kind of "Your law is bad because you are a criminal".
> 
> Still, I don't think Thomas meant both.
> 
> 
>>>> [snipped "ex falso quodlibet" argumentation]
>>>
>>> If Wikipedia's definition of "ex falso quodlibet" is correct then you
>>> have quoted the wrong Latin phrase. Are you trying to say my 'ad
>>> hominem' count is wrong ? (If so it's still the wrong Latin phrase).
>>
>> I have said that your first argument was wrong.  
> 
> And I say it is right : the correct count is zero. Have you an example
> to the contrary ?

Your first argument was[1]:

| Let us remind ourselves : an ad hominem argument is one that takes the
| general form :
|
|   What you say is wrong because you are a/an <insult>.

This statement is wrong according to the definition of "ad hominem
argument" in the broadest sense--and I believe that Thomas used such a
general definition to classify the posts in his list.  Actually I didn't
find an insult in your posts, but there were arguments against Thomas
becoming the FAQ maintainer, because of some of his character traits and
former behavior, what *might* be seen as "ad hominem argument".

Personally, I refrain from classifying your posts (or those of others,
for that matter).

[1] <news:7o6l49d6sg3t2vk03j4097gfa836m7c4ui@4ax.com>

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#21510 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

On 2013-10-02 01:39, Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
[...] *If* there is nobody else, the
> solution seems to be quite simple:
>
>    I vote for:
>    [ ] Thomas Lahn
>    [ ] Garret Smith
>    [ ] no maintainer / postpone the decision for another year
[...]

I would vote for Thomas Lahn.

-- 
Cezary Tomczyk
http://www.ctomczyk.pl/

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#21566 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 4:39:51 PM UTC-7, Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
> John Harris wrote:

[...]

> 
> 
>   I vote for:
> 
>   First choice: Garrett Smith
> 
>   Second choice: Thomas Lahn
 

[...]
-- 
Garrett

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#21567 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

On Sun, 6 Oct 2013 10:45:51 -0700 (PDT), dhtml
<dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 4:39:51 PM UTC-7, Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>> John Harris wrote:
  <snip>

You snipped the wrong attribution line.

  John

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#21572 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

On Sunday, October 6, 2013 12:14:59 PM UTC-7, John Harris wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Oct 2013 10:45:51 -0700 (PDT), dhtml
> 
> <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 4:39:51 PM UTC-7, Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
> 
> >> John Harris wrote:
> 
>   <snip>
> 
> 
> 
> You snipped the wrong attribution line.
> 

Sorry. 

I created a video. This video should have a link to a site that is more stable than jibbering.com.
http://youtu.be/M_sOiTxVTWw

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#21575 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 12:50:25 -0700, dhtml wrote:

> I created a video. This video should have a link to a site that is more
> stable than jibbering.com.
> http://youtu.be/M_sOiTxVTWw

No, you made a facetious post that explains very succinctly why 
crowdsourcing you to host the faq is a really bad idea.

-- 
Denis McMahon, denismfmcmahon@gmail.com

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#21573 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

dhtml wrote:

> On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 4:39:51 PM UTC-7, Christoph Michael Becker
wrote:
>> John Harris wrote:
>
> [...]

My apologies for having misspelled your name, Garrett.

>>
>>   I vote for:
>>
>>   First choice: Garrett Smith
>>
>>   Second choice: Thomas Lahn

I assume that this is what you would vote for.  That brings up the idea,
that you and Thomas might share the work of being the FAQ maintainer.

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#21581 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> dhtml wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 4:39:51 PM UTC-7, Christoph Michael Becker
> wrote:
>>> John Harris wrote:
>>
>> [...]
> 
> My apologies for having misspelled your name, Garrett.
> 
>>>
>>>   I vote for:
>>>
>>>   First choice: Garrett Smith
>>>
>>>   Second choice: Thomas Lahn
> 
> I assume that this is what you would vote for.  That brings up the idea,
> that you and Thomas might share the work of being the FAQ maintainer.

In theory, it is possible.  The FAQ for comp.lang.javascript that I am 
proposing is maintained via Subversion (for now), and there can be more than 
one committer.

In practice, I do not like the idea of working together with someone who has 
abandoned his job and the target of his work for no other reason than being 
pissed off by comments – unless I have missed a *reasonable* explanation as 
to that –, and is now trying to make money from doing nothing about it for 
the last three years, and trying to have the work belittled or ignored that 
I have done in the meantime without any funds but my own (and, may I say, 
with exceptions, not a lot of moral, technical or content support from those 
who should benefit from that).

I can assure you that FAQ maintenance has cost me almost nothing so far but 
a little free time now and then.  While I agree that people willing to 
support the cause could donate (e.g. via PayPal) *once considerable work has 
been done* (and I would be willing to make that possible), I think 
crowdfunding FAQ maintenance *in advance* is way over the top, put politely.

To me, maintaining a FAQ is a voluntary service to the online community, to 
your peers and like-minded people; it is like a calling.  It is _not_ a job 
to make a living from.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#21491 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

In comp.lang.javascript message <1894230.nSFya65fZn@PointedEars.de>,
Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:22:01, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
<PointedEars@web.de> posted:

>³ Both on-topic and off-topic postings can contain ad-hominem
>  arguments; the number is not a measure of intensity.

Because you have not indicated what you believe "ad hominem" to actually
means, the counting, like so much of what you post, is not useful.

-- 
(c) John Stockton, nr London UK.  ???@merlyn.demon.co.uk  Turnpike v6.05  MIME.
 Web  <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.
     Check boilerplate spelling -- error is a public sign of incompetence.
    Never fully trust an article from a poster who gives no full real name.

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#21495 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

Am 28.09.2013 18:54, schrieb Dr J R Stockton:
> In comp.lang.javascript message <5244c5cd$0$6562$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arc
> or-online.net>, Fri, 27 Sep 2013 01:40:54, Christoph Michael Becker
> <cmbecker69@arcor.de> posted:
>> John Harris wrote:
> 
>> Indeed.  You're stating that Thomas is not suited as FAQ maintainer, and
>> hence, as there is no alternative candidate (or is there?), it seems
>> you're preferring an unmaintained FAQ.
> 
> I support John Harris in that.

In *what* do you support John Harris?  You didn't quote *anything* he
wrote.  Do you support an unmaintained FAQ?  Do you support John Harris
to be the new FAQ maintainer?  I am at a loss...

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#21391 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

On 19/09/2013 11:29, John Harris wrote:
> PS  I think you meant 'conscientiously'. (I have trouble with it as
> well)

How can anyone have problems with spelling  when the web is awash with 
applications that come with spelling checkers?

I too would struggle with "conscientiously" without the spelling checker.

With the spelling checker, all my words are impeccably spelled, although 
they may not be the rite words...

-- 
Steve Swift
http://www.swiftys.org.uk/

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#21393 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

Swifty wrote on 19 sep 2013 in comp.lang.javascript:

> On 19/09/2013 11:29, John Harris wrote:
>> PS  I think you meant 'conscientiously'. (I have trouble with it as
>> well)
> 
> How can anyone have problems with spelling  when the web is awash with 
> applications that come with spelling checkers?
> 
> I too would struggle with "conscientiously" without the spelling checker.
> 
> With the spelling checker, all my words are impeccably spelled, although 
> they may not be the rite words...

While I made the mistake,
it was John, not me, dat had problems with it.

His spell checker could not help him in this case.

Under Netiquette, discussings someone's linguistical errors is considered 
impolite in NGs that are not about language.

ducoment.write(); would be on topic.

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#21398 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 21:23:35 +0200, "Evertjan."
<exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:


  <snip>
>Under Netiquette, discussings someone's linguistical errors is considered 
>impolite in NGs that are not about language.
  <snip>

On the other hand, confirming which of two different words was
intended is something a FAQ Editor *must* be willing to do.

E.g conscientiously or consciously ? They were both possible.

  John

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#21399 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 21:23:35 +0200, "Evertjan."
<exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:

[snip]

>Under Netiquette, discussings someone's linguistical errors is considered 
>impolite in NGs that are not about language.

     Not if the error impacts the meaning.

     I have seen where a poster has apparently missed out a "not".  I
will post something like:
          >I do agree.
               ^
          I assume you meant to put "not" here and responding as if
you did.
          <remainder of response>

     I have seen where people have confused "prescribe" and
"proscribe" -- they are near-antonyms -- and if I saw something like
that, I would be querying.

     If it does not, then no comment.  You have one error and one odd
usage in the above-quoted sentence, but it does not matter as your
meaning is clear.  If the discussion had not veered to the issue of
correcting errors, I would not have written anything about them.

>ducoment.write(); would be on topic.

     For sure.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#21365 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

Denis McMahon wrote on 16 sep 2013 in comp.lang.javascript:

> In my opinion, one of the most important characteristics for a FAQ 
> maintainer is a willingness to abide by the collective decision of the
> group for which they maintain the FAQ, even if they disagree with that
> decision.
> 
> T'pe'L has never shown the slightest willingness to accept, regardless
> of how big the majority opposing his position is, that his position
> might not actually be the only correct one.

Most of us have never shown this slightest willingness either, because it 
was never asked to us in the context of FAQ-maintainer.

So go and ask PE.

Don't confuse this with agreement to accept a majority vote as the gospel 
outside the FAQ context discussion. 

Convincing argument is much better than majority in finding agreement. 

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to 
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#21239 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

In comp.lang.javascript message <522cd5e7$0$9522$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arc
or-online.net>, Sun, 8 Sep 2013 21:54:39, Christoph Michael Becker
<cmbecker69@arcor.de> posted:

>
>> A draft of each non-trivial change needs to be displayed in this news
>> group to allow people time to notice problems or voice objections
>> before the FAQ is updated. At least 2 weeks should be allowed for
>> this.
>
>IMHO that is reasonable.
>

But not sufficient.  It is also necessary that the FAQqer should heed
the comments made, and make changes where appropriate.

Before appointing anyone as FAQqer, we should see and like examples of
his or her work, bearing in mind that a FAQ's chief purpose should be to
help newcomers.

-- 
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#21191 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen)

In comp.lang.javascript message <1432633.0Ca1GCPGyj@PointedEars.de>,
Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:14:34, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
posted:

>  Although I do revisions of the FAQ on my own, I do not consider it my job
>  as FAQ maintainer/editor to find the borken/missing link, or to anticipate
>  your wishes.

You are not maintainer of the newsgroup FAQ; that requires the general
assent of the newsgroup, and a willingness to be guided by the members
of the group.

You are, instead, a plagiarist in breach of the principles of copyright
- among your other social defects.

You are of course fully entitles to write your own material, /ab
initio/, on your own Web site; but few will find it beneficial.

And your persistent use of "borken" betrays your immaturity - or
ineducability.

-- 
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   Web  <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.
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