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  Re: references to DOM parts JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2015-12-31 11:47 +0700
    Re: references to DOM parts "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2015-12-31 11:11 +0100
      Re: references to DOM parts JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2015-12-31 21:15 +0700
        Re: references to DOM parts Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2015-12-31 13:35 -0300
          Re: references to DOM parts "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2015-12-31 19:19 +0100
            Re: references to DOM parts Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2015-12-31 15:41 -0300
              Re: references to DOM parts Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2015-12-31 21:23 -0200
              Re: references to DOM parts JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2016-01-01 06:54 +0700
                Re: references to DOM parts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-01 03:36 +0100
                  Re: references to DOM parts Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-01 17:30 +1100
                    Re: references to DOM parts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-01 10:31 +0100
                    Re: references to DOM parts "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2016-01-03 00:37 -0800
                      Re: references to DOM parts Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-03 20:10 +1100
                        Re: references to DOM parts Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2016-01-03 03:32 -0800
                          Re: references to DOM parts Mark - <nonemail@spamspamapam.net> - 2016-01-03 14:36 +0000
                            Re: references to DOM parts Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-01-03 16:55 -0300
                              Re: references to DOM parts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-03 23:47 +0100
                              Re: references to DOM parts Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-01-03 20:51 -0300
                                Re: references to DOM parts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-04 02:42 +0100
                                  Re: references to DOM parts Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-01-03 23:13 -0300
                              Re: references to DOM parts Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2016-01-04 09:07 -0200
                                Re: references to DOM parts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-04 22:17 +0100
                                  Re: references to DOM parts Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 15:36 +0100
                                    Re: references to DOM parts "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-01-05 16:19 +0100
                                      Re: references to DOM parts Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-01-05 18:09 +0000
                                        Re: references to DOM parts "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-01-05 20:13 +0100
                                          Re: references to DOM parts Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 14:02 +0100
                                            Re: references to DOM parts "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-01-07 16:50 +0100
                                            Re: references to DOM parts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-07 18:41 +0100
                                              Re: references to DOM parts John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-01-07 18:12 +0000
                                                Re: references to DOM parts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-07 20:18 +0100
                                                  Re: references to DOM parts Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-01-07 18:22 -0300
                                                  Re: references to DOM parts John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-01-08 10:08 +0000
                                    Re: references to DOM parts Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2016-01-07 18:03 -0800
                          Re: references to DOM parts Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-01-04 21:00 +0000
                    Re: references to DOM parts "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2016-01-04 16:45 -0800
              Re: references to DOM parts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-01 03:32 +0100
                Re: references to DOM parts Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-01-01 02:56 -0300
                Re: references to DOM parts Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-03 16:56 +0100
                  Re: references to DOM parts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-03 17:25 +0100
                    Re: references to DOM parts Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-03 18:19 +0100
                      Re: references to DOM parts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-03 23:23 +0100
                        Re: references to DOM parts Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-01-03 22:28 +0000
                          Re: references to DOM parts Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2016-01-04 09:09 -0200

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#29076 — Re: references to DOM parts

On 30 Dec 2015 18:20:39 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote:
>   I have an HTML document that starts with
> 
> <!DOCTYPE HTML><html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="de" xml:lang="de">
> <head><meta charset="UTF-8">
> 
>   . Now, I define names for parts of the DOM via the JavaScript
>   console:
> 
> h  = this.document.firstElementChild
> hh = h.firstElementChild
> m  = hh.firstElementChild
> 
>   . I perform the following evaluations in the Firefox Console
>   (one line is input, the next is output, then this repeats):
> 
> m.outerHTML
> "<meta charset="UTF-8">"
> 
> m.outerHTML = '<meta charset="ISO-8859-1">'
> "<meta charset="ISO-8859-1">"
> 
> m.outerHTML
> "<meta charset="UTF-8">"
> 
> hh.firstElementChild.outerHTML
> "<meta charset="ISO-8859-1">"
> 
> this.document.firstElementChild.firstElementChild.firstElementChild.outerHTML
> "<meta charset="ISO-8859-1">"
> 
>   One can see above that the assigment to »m.outerHTML«
>   has the intended effect when one looks at the result via »hh«,
>   but when one is looking via »m«, one still sees the old value.
> 
>   The last evaluation shows that the DOM was really modified.
>   Why do I see the new value via »hh«, but not via »m«?

Assignment to outerHTML property creates a new HTML object and if succeeded,
it replaces the old one. So the m value is not changed. It's still reference
to the old HTML object which is now an orphan element.

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#29077

JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> wrote on 31 Dec 2015 in comp.lang.javascript:

> On 30 Dec 2015 18:20:39 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>   I have an HTML document that starts with
>> 
>> <!DOCTYPE HTML><html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="de"
>> xml:lang="de"> <head><meta charset="UTF-8">
>> 
>>   . Now, I define names for parts of the DOM via the JavaScript
>>   console:
>> 
>> h  = this.document.firstElementChild
>> hh = h.firstElementChild
>> m  = hh.firstElementChild
>> 
>>   . I perform the following evaluations in the Firefox Console
>>   (one line is input, the next is output, then this repeats):
>> 
>> m.outerHTML
>> "<meta charset="UTF-8">"
>> 
>> m.outerHTML = '<meta charset="ISO-8859-1">'
>> "<meta charset="ISO-8859-1">"
>> 
>> m.outerHTML
>> "<meta charset="UTF-8">"
>> 
>> hh.firstElementChild.outerHTML
>> "<meta charset="ISO-8859-1">"
>> 
>> this.document.firstElementChild.firstElementChild.firstElementChild.oute
>> rHTML "<meta charset="ISO-8859-1">"
>> 
>>   One can see above that the assigment to »m.outerHTML«
>>   has the intended effect when one looks at the result via »hh«,
>>   but when one is looking via »m«, one still sees the old value.
>> 
>>   The last evaluation shows that the DOM was really modified.
>>   Why do I see the new value via »hh«, but not via »m«?
> 
> Assignment to outerHTML property creates a new HTML object and if
> succeeded, it replaces the old one. So the m value is not changed. It's
> still reference to the old HTML object which is now an orphan element.

Would the "var m" assignment not prevent it 
from being a real orphan [in the sense of gabage-collectable]?

... as it can be reassigned anywhere in the DOM-tree later?


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#29078

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:11:01 +0100, Evertjan. wrote:
> 
> Would the "var m" assignment not prevent it 
> from being a real orphan [in the sense of gabage-collectable]?
> 
> ... as it can be reassigned anywhere in the DOM-tree later?

Yes to both.

It's like assigning a variable to the return value of removeChild() then
re-insert the node into the document later using appendChild() or
insertBefore(). Without saving a reference to the removed node, the node
would be a garbage.

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#29079

On 31/12/15 11:15, JJ wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:11:01 +0100, Evertjan. wrote:
>>
>> Would the "var m" assignment not prevent it 
>> from being a real orphan [in the sense of gabage-collectable]?
>>
>> ... as it can be reassigned anywhere in the DOM-tree later?
> 
> Yes to both.
> 
> It's like assigning a variable to the return value of removeChild() then
> re-insert the node into the document later using appendChild() or
> insertBefore(). Without saving a reference to the removed node, the node
> would be a garbage.

I think would apply the same rules as to any Javascript object.

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#29080

Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> wrote on 31 Dec 2015 in 
comp.lang.javascript:

> On 31/12/15 11:15, JJ wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:11:01 +0100, Evertjan. wrote:
>>>
>>> Would the "var m" assignment not prevent it 
>>> from being a real orphan [in the sense of gabage-collectable]?
>>>
>>> ... as it can be reassigned anywhere in the DOM-tree later?
>> 
>> Yes to both.
>> 
>> It's like assigning a variable to the return value of removeChild() then
>> re-insert the node into the document later using appendChild() or
>> insertBefore(). Without saving a reference to the removed node, the node
>> would be a garbage.
> 
> I think would apply the same rules as to any Javascript object.

Is the Javascript-object garbage-collection the same as the DOM-tree-element 
one?

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#29081

On 31/12/15 15:19, Evertjan. wrote:
> Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> wrote on 31 Dec 2015 in 
> comp.lang.javascript:
> 
>> On 31/12/15 11:15, JJ wrote:
>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:11:01 +0100, Evertjan. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Would the "var m" assignment not prevent it 
>>>> from being a real orphan [in the sense of gabage-collectable]?
>>>>
>>>> ... as it can be reassigned anywhere in the DOM-tree later?
>>>
>>> Yes to both.
>>>
>>> It's like assigning a variable to the return value of removeChild() then
>>> re-insert the node into the document later using appendChild() or
>>> insertBefore(). Without saving a reference to the removed node, the node
>>> would be a garbage.
>>
>> I think would apply the same rules as to any Javascript object.
> 
> Is the Javascript-object garbage-collection the same as the DOM-tree-element 
> one?

DOM elements are normal Javascript objects, or should be. Someone
confirm please.

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#29082

On 12/31/2015 04:41 PM, Aleksandro wrote:
> On 31/12/15 15:19, Evertjan. wrote:
>> Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> wrote on 31 Dec 2015 in
>> comp.lang.javascript:
>>
>>> On 31/12/15 11:15, JJ wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:11:01 +0100, Evertjan. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Would the "var m" assignment not prevent it
>>>>> from being a real orphan [in the sense of gabage-collectable]?
>>>>>
>>>>> ... as it can be reassigned anywhere in the DOM-tree later?
>>>>
>>>> Yes to both.
>>>>
>>>> It's like assigning a variable to the return value of removeChild() then
>>>> re-insert the node into the document later using appendChild() or
>>>> insertBefore(). Without saving a reference to the removed node, the node
>>>> would be a garbage.
>>>
>>> I think would apply the same rules as to any Javascript object.
>>
>> Is the Javascript-object garbage-collection the same as the DOM-tree-element
>> one?
>
> DOM elements are normal Javascript objects, or should be. Someone
> confirm please.
>

DOM objects are host objects (called exotic objects in ES6), not 
ECMAScript's ordinary or standard built-in objects. The W3C defined the 
DOM as a set of objects and interfaces for accessing and manipulating 
document objects in a language-independent manner. The DOM presents 
documents as a hierarchy of Node objects that also implement other, more 
specialized interfaces.

If I write the following lines in my Chrome 47 (Linux Mint) console, I 
will find the "HTMLParagraphElement" object.

   var el = document.createElement('p');
   console.log(el.constructor.prototype); // logs HTMLParagraphElement

And if I follow the prototype chain, I will find other object names that 
correspond to DOM Level 4 interfaces:

HTMLParagraphElement
  HTMLElement
   Element
    Node
     EventTarget
      Object

BTW, Happy New Year!

-- 
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#29083

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:41:30 -0300, Aleksandro wrote:
> 
> DOM elements are normal Javascript objects, or should be. Someone
> confirm please.

They're normal.
A parentless but owned DOM node has a referene to a document, but the
document doesn't have a reference to it.

That node increase document's reference count by one since it needs the
document, but the document doesn't need the node so it doesn't increase the
node's reference count.

Thus, the node keeps the document alive (longer) and not become a garbage,
and the document doesn't keep the node alive and makes it a garbage.

The Document.adoptNode() should have been Node.setOwner().
The Document.importNode() should have been Node.exportToDocument().

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#29085

JJ wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:41:30 -0300, Aleksandro wrote:
>> DOM elements are normal Javascript objects, or should be. Someone
>> confirm please.
> 
> They're normal.

Ex nonsenso quodlibet.

> A parentless but owned DOM node has a referene to a document,

A wannabe’s gibberish, meaning nothing.

> but the document doesn't have a reference to it.

A document never has a reference to a “DOM node”.  A document is represented 
as an object, that object has a property, that property has a value, and 
that value can be a reference to an object that implements the Node 
interface.

> [further nonsense]

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#29087

On 1/01/2016 1:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Ex nonsenso quodlibet

I'm impressed by how many people can quote in Latin. Can you guys 
actually speak/read/write Latin, or is there some website with quotes 
that you draw upon, or are the quotes "commonly" known ones? ;-)

Andrew Poulos

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#29088

Andrew Poulos wrote:

> On 1/01/2016 1:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Ex nonsenso quodlibet
> 
> I'm impressed by how many people can quote in Latin. Can you guys
> actually speak/read/write Latin, or is there some website with quotes
> that you draw upon, or are the quotes "commonly" known ones? ;-)

«In Anglia nisi iactantiae rudioribus eorum notitia; nemo in
eum sermonem inducit Graecis vel Latinis, si unquam legisse.»

  – Georgius Micesius (Google-translated)

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases>

Happy New Year :)

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#29112

Andrew Poulos wrote:
> On 1/01/2016 1:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > Ex nonsenso quodlibet
> 
> I'm impressed by how many people can quote in Latin. Can you guys 
> actually speak/read/write Latin, or is there some website with quotes 
> that you draw upon, or are the quotes "commonly" known ones? ;-)


Non pascam aviditate placeat.

--
JR

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#29113

On 3/01/2016 7:37 PM, J.R. wrote:
> Andrew Poulos wrote:
>> On 1/01/2016 1:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Ex nonsenso quodlibet
>>
>> I'm impressed by how many people can quote in Latin. Can you guys
>> actually speak/read/write Latin, or is there some website with quotes
>> that you draw upon, or are the quotes "commonly" known ones? ;-)
>
>
> Non pascam aviditate placeat.

On the contrary, I am very thankful that such a knowledgeable person 
still takes the time to help the group increase its understanding (even 
if there are things he has "no time for").

Andrew Poulos

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#29114

Andrew Poulos wrote:
> On 3/01/2016 7:37 PM, J.R. wrote:
> > Andrew Poulos wrote:
> >> On 1/01/2016 1:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >>> Ex nonsenso quodlibet
> >>
> >> I'm impressed by how many people can quote in Latin. Can you guys
> >> actually speak/read/write Latin, or is there some website with quotes
> >> that you draw upon, or are the quotes "commonly" known ones? ;-)
> >
> >
> > Non pascam aviditate placeat.
> 
> On the contrary, I am very thankful that such a knowledgeable person 
> still takes the time to help the group increase its understanding (even 
> if there are things he has "no time for").

Sorry, but it is not possible to accept the antisocial behaviour of Thomas Lahn and keep silent. I assume you are an "cool" guy, but it's not good when someone like you supports him just because of his knowledge, disregarding all the aggressiveness and anger that he spits on everyone all the time.

Everybody here is spending their precious spare time to try to learn and help the group, even though sometimes we make mistakes or respond in a careless way. Eventually, the result of this interaction should be what you called as "help the group increase its understanding".

I feel that the majority of the participants in this group behave in an acceptable, sociable manner, as adults need to be.

However it's been very difficult to stay here with a lunatic that tries to intimidate and let everyone down, depending on his sense of humour on that day. For instance, just after the midnight of January 1, instead of wishing a Happy New Year to the group, he responded to Aleksandro in a very arrogant and disrespectful manner. For me, that was a disturbing symptom of someone who doesn't have a healthy social life, a family, a girl-friend, whatever makes us feel more humans and tolerant with the others.


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#29116

> Joao Rodrigues wrote:

> However it's been very difficult to stay here with a lunatic that
> tries to intimidate and let everyone down, depending on his sense of
> humour on that day. For instance, just after the midnight of January
> 1, instead of wishing a Happy New Year to the group, he responded to
> Aleksandro in a very arrogant and disrespectful manner. For me, that
> was a disturbing symptom of someone who doesn't have a healthy social
> life, a family, a girl-friend, whatever makes us feel more humans and
> tolerant with the others.


Dude, sticks and stones. If you continue to let this fellow have power over 
you, he will have it. Move on, live a happy life, do not be the "effect" 
of him. Be "cause" of your own well being.

My2c.

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#29123

On 03/01/16 11:36, Mark - wrote:
>> Joao Rodrigues wrote:
> 
>> However it's been very difficult to stay here with a lunatic that
>> tries to intimidate and let everyone down, depending on his sense of
>> humour on that day. For instance, just after the midnight of January
>> 1, instead of wishing a Happy New Year to the group, he responded to
>> Aleksandro in a very arrogant and disrespectful manner. For me, that
>> was a disturbing symptom of someone who doesn't have a healthy social
>> life, a family, a girl-friend, whatever makes us feel more humans and
>> tolerant with the others.
> 
> 
> Dude, sticks and stones. If you continue to let this fellow have power
> over you, he will have it. Move on, live a happy life, do not be the
> "effect" of him. Be "cause" of your own well being.

I think that here I speak for all the well behaved users here. It is not
that we are personally worried at all about the channel troll, actually
we could not care less. The problem is that after being “plonked” by the
vast majority of users here and also considering how a lot of old users
have left anyway, this individual seems himself practically alone so he
can post and say anything, in many cases making newcomers ever mistake
him for some sort of authority, which he obviously is not.

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#29126

Aleksandro wrote in <news:comp.lang.javascript>,
Message-ID: <news:n6bu72$m36$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 03/01/16 11:36, Mark - wrote:
>>> Joao Rodrigues wrote:
>>> However it's been very difficult to stay here with a lunatic that
>>> tries to intimidate and let everyone down, depending on his sense of
>>> humour on that day. For instance, just after the midnight of January
>>> 1, instead of wishing a Happy New Year to the group, he responded to
>>> Aleksandro in a very arrogant and disrespectful manner. For me, that
>>> was a disturbing symptom of someone who doesn't have a healthy social
>>> life, a family, a girl-friend, whatever makes us feel more humans and
>>> tolerant with the others.
>> 
>> 
>> Dude, sticks and stones. If you continue to let this fellow have power
>> over you, he will have it. Move on, live a happy life, do not be the
>> "effect" of him. Be "cause" of your own well being.
> 
> I think that here I speak for all the well behaved users here. It is not
> that we are personally worried at all about the channel troll, actually
> we could not care less. The problem is that after being “plonked” by the
> vast majority of users here and also considering how a lot of old users
> have left anyway, this individual seems himself practically alone so he
> can post and say anything, in many cases making newcomers ever mistake
> him for some sort of authority, which he obviously is not.

I would strongly recommend to you that you do a reality check so that you do 
not further make a fool of yourself in public.

And get yourself a real name.  cljs is a Usenet newsgroup, not a "channel".

<http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>

You have been warned.

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#29129

On 03/01/16 16:55, Aleksandro wrote:
> On 03/01/16 11:36, Mark - wrote:
>>> Joao Rodrigues wrote:
>>
>>> However it's been very difficult to stay here with a lunatic that
>>> tries to intimidate and let everyone down, depending on his sense of
>>> humour on that day. For instance, just after the midnight of January
>>> 1, instead of wishing a Happy New Year to the group, he responded to
>>> Aleksandro in a very arrogant and disrespectful manner. For me, that
>>> was a disturbing symptom of someone who doesn't have a healthy social
>>> life, a family, a girl-friend, whatever makes us feel more humans and
>>> tolerant with the others.
>>
>>
>> Dude, sticks and stones. If you continue to let this fellow have power
>> over you, he will have it. Move on, live a happy life, do not be the
>> "effect" of him. Be "cause" of your own well being.
> 
> I think that here I speak for all the well behaved users here. It is not
> that we are personally worried at all about the channel troll, actually
> we could not care less. The problem is that after being “plonked” by the
> vast majority of users here and also considering how a lot of old users
> have left anyway, this individual seems himself practically alone so he
> can post and say anything, in many cases making newcomers ever mistake
> him for some sort of authority, which he obviously is not.
> 

Dear Thomas, regarding the email that out of rage you just sent to me:

	I would strongly recommend to you that you do a reality check so that you
	do not further make a fool of yourself in public.

	And get yourself a real name.  cljs is a Usenet newsgroup, not a "channel".

	<http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>

	You have been warned.

eh, sorry... warned of... what?

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#29130

Aleksandro wrote:

> Dear Thomas, regarding the email that out of rage you just sent to me:
> 
> [private e-mail posted without asking for permission]
> 
> eh, sorry... warned of... what?

*PLONK*

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#29131

On 03/01/16 22:42, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Aleksandro wrote:
> 
>> Dear Thomas, regarding the email that out of rage you just sent to me:
>>
>> [private e-mail posted without asking for permission]
>>
>> eh, sorry... warned of... what?
> 
> *PLONK*

Thanks god!!!!
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

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