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  JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-19 11:56 -0700
    Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-20 04:42 -0700
      Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-21 15:50 +0100
        Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-21 10:01 -0700
          Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-22 20:04 +0100
          Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-24 14:31 +0100
            Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-24 15:08 -0700
              Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-25 14:39 +0100
                Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-25 14:41 -0700
    Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-20 17:37 +0100
      Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-20 21:13 -0700
        Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Adam Silver <adambsilver@gmail.com> - 2013-10-21 07:49 -0700
          Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-21 09:03 -0700
            Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Adam Silver <adambsilver@gmail.com> - 2013-10-22 07:06 -0700
              Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-22 10:10 -0700
                Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Adam Silver <adambsilver@gmail.com> - 2013-10-22 10:28 -0700
                  Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-22 12:57 -0700
                    Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-22 13:33 -0700
              Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-29 03:45 +0100
                Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-29 09:22 -0700
                  Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-10-29 20:05 +0100
                    Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-29 19:41 -0700
                      Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-10-30 09:35 +0100
                        Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 13:30 -0700
                      Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2013-10-30 11:57 -0700
                        Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 13:40 -0700
                          Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-10-31 23:21 +0100
                            Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 15:28 -0700
                              Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-10-31 23:50 +0100
                              Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-11-02 18:48 +0000
                                Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 21:05 +0100
                                  Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-11-04 01:49 +0100
                                    Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-11-05 19:26 +0000
                                      Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-11-06 01:12 +0100
                                        Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-11-07 16:53 +0000
                                          Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-11-08 02:02 +0100
                                            Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-11-09 18:43 +0000
                                      Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Mike Duffy <md_002@videotron.ca> - 2013-11-06 00:22 -0500
                                    Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 22:24 +0100
                Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-30 18:13 +0000
                  Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2013-10-30 20:08 -0700
                Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-10-31 07:12 +0100
                Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 16:57 -0700
                  Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 16:27 +0000
                    Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Mike Duffy <md_002@videotron.ca> - 2013-11-01 13:16 -0400
                    Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-11-02 09:49 -0700
                      Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2013-11-02 12:57 -0700
                  Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-11-01 17:27 +0000
                    Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2013-11-01 19:45 +0200
                      Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Mike Duffy <md_002@videotron.ca> - 2013-11-01 14:51 -0400
                      Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-11-02 18:55 +0000
                        Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2013-11-03 09:13 +0200
                    Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-01 21:14 +0000
                      Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-11-02 02:49 +0000
                        Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-02 08:48 +0000
                          Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-11-02 13:07 +0000
                            Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-02 21:44 +0000
                  Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2013-11-02 12:45 -0700
                    Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-02 19:54 +0000
                      Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2013-11-02 12:58 -0700
                        Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 00:05 +0000
                  Re: JSFAQ.org, Hosting and Contributors. Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-11-02 18:50 +0000

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#21780

dhtml wrote:

> The static FAQ is now on Github under faq. JsFaq.org points to it.
> 
> Discuss here, file a ticket there.
> 
> https://github.com/comp-lang-javascript/
> 
> Lets merge Thomas' changes in.

So you are not only dishonest [1], you also have no problem being a thief.  
FOAD.

[1] <https://twitter.com/xkit/status/275859437732896768>

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PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
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#21785

On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 12:05:28 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> dhtml wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > The static FAQ is now on Github under faq. JsFaq.org points to it.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Discuss here, file a ticket there.
> 
> > 
> 
> > https://github.com/comp-lang-javascript/
> 
> > 
> 
> > Lets merge Thomas' changes in.
> 
> 
> 
> So you are not only dishonest [1], you also have no problem being a thief.  
> 
That is not the case. 

You were wanted to maintain the FAQ. Instead, you created a copy on your own site. I have no problem with that.

> FOAD.
> 
That you cannot control yourself over written medium says a lot about you. Such hostile and abusive behavior is intolerable. I will not tolerate it on the Github project. 
-- 
Garrett
http://ChordCycles.com/

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#21788

dhtml wrote:

> On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 12:05:28 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> wrote:
>> dhtml wrote:
>> > The static FAQ is now on Github under faq. JsFaq.org points to it.
>> > 
>> > Discuss here, file a ticket there.
>> > 
>> > https://github.com/comp-lang-javascript/
>> > 
>> > Lets merge Thomas' changes in.
>> 
>> So you are not only dishonest [1], you also have no problem being a
>> thief.
>> 
> That is not the case.
> 
> You were wanted to maintain the FAQ. Instead, you created a copy on your
> own site. I have no problem with that.

A liar is a person who says one thing and does another.  You have stated 
your public support for me as FAQ maintainer – *regardless* where the FAQ 
may be hosted (and I have contacted both Jim Ley and you several times via 
e-mail, and suggested alternatives, and got no response at all).  The record 
shows.  Now that because no alternative was left I did what was expected of 
me in the way I did it, and within the last year I have done work with the 
help of contributors, you have not been and you are not supporting me, and 
you have been caught saying that this work does not exist.  You are a liar.

A fraudster is a person who cheats others into giving them things for 
purposes where those things are not used or required for those purposes.  
You have asked at first that a FAQ maintainer be funded (I believe the 
figure was around US$ 500).  I know from experience that FAQ maintanence 
does not require funds, it just requires free time.  You would have been a 
fraudster.

A thief is a person who takes the property of others without asking.  I have 
invested considerable time and other resources into making the FAQ for 
comp.lang.javascript what it is now (see the changelog).  The parts that 
have not been contributed by others are my work.  The parts that have been 
contributed by others belong to them.  You are suggesting to take those 
parts without even asking me or them.  If you go through with that, you will 
be a thief.

As simple as that.

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PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#21805

On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:35:55 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> dhtml wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 12:05:28 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> 
> > wrote:
> 
> >> dhtml wrote:
> 
> >> > The static FAQ is now on Github under faq. JsFaq.org points to it.
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > Discuss here, file a ticket there.
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > https://github.com/comp-lang-javascript/
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > Lets merge Thomas' changes in.
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> So you are not only dishonest [1], you also have no problem being a
> 
> >> thief.
> 
> >> 
> 
> > That is not the case.
> 
> > 
> 
> > You were wanted to maintain the FAQ. Instead, you created a copy on your
> 
> > own site. I have no problem with that.
> 
> 
> 
> A liar is a person who says one thing and does another.  You have stated 
> 
> your public support for me as FAQ maintainer – *regardless* where the FAQ 
> 
> may be hosted (and I have contacted both Jim Ley and you several times via 
> 
> e-mail, and suggested alternatives, and got no response at all).  The record 
> 
> shows.  Now that because no alternative was left I did what was expected of 
> 
> me in the way I did it, and within the last year I have done work with the 
> 
> help of contributors, you have not been and you are not supporting me, and 
> 
> you have been caught saying that this work does not exist.  You are a liar.
> 
> 
> 
> A fraudster is a person who cheats others into giving them things for 
> 
> purposes where those things are not used or required for those purposes.  
> 
> You have asked at first that a FAQ maintainer be funded (I believe the 
> 
> figure was around US$ 500).  I know from experience that FAQ maintanence 
> 
> does not require funds, it just requires free time.  You would have been a 
> 
> fraudster.
> 
I proposed an idea for crowdfunding. Maintaining the FAQ is work. No fraud there.

> 
> 
> A thief is a person who takes the property of others without asking.  I have 
> 
> invested considerable time and other resources into making the FAQ for 
> 
> comp.lang.javascript what it is now (see the changelog).  The parts that 
> 
> have not been contributed by others are my work.  The parts that have been 
> 
> contributed by others belong to them.  You are suggesting to take those 
> 
False. The FAQ is by and for the group and for the public at large. It is not yours. Not even what you've contributed.

> parts without even asking me or them.  If you go through with that, you will 
> 
> be a thief.
> 

That's wrong thinking. The rest of the group can work on dealing with contributions. I won't take any from you. Maybe you can try again with a different username and consider treating people like people instead of objects.

Regardless, your hatred is intolerable.
-- 
Garrett
ChordCycles.com/

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#21790

On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:41:47 PM UTC-5, dhtml wrote:

> That you cannot control yourself over written medium says a lot about you. Such hostile and abusive behavior is intolerable. I will not tolerate it on the Github project. 

So the _community_ content will now be subject to what _you_ tolerate? if that is going to be the case, I'd like to see something formally written on what you intend to tolerate and how this is going to impact potential submissions...

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#21806

On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:57:59 AM UTC-7, Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:41:47 PM UTC-5, dhtml wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > That you cannot control yourself over written medium says a lot about you. Such hostile and abusive behavior is intolerable. I will not tolerate it on the Github project. 
> 
> 
> 
> So the _community_ content will now be subject to what _you_ tolerate? if that is going to be the case, I'd like to see something formally written on what you intend to tolerate and how this is going to impact potential submissions...

I get to decide who I don't want to deal with. 

I won't deal with someone who is hateful and nasty and abusive as Thomas Lahn. 

Scott will try to get time to work on automated postings to the NG. And there is more work to do for getting app hosting for that. 

I have gotten the domain name for a centralized FAQ. The FAQ is still source on Github so anyone can fork it. Thomas doesn't want to join and now wants to claim copyright over changes he's made, so those changes can't go into this open-source project.

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#21808

dhtml wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:57:59 AM UTC-7, Michael Haufe (TNO)
> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:41:47 PM UTC-5, dhtml wrote:
>> > That you cannot control yourself over written medium says a lot about
>> > you. Such hostile and abusive behavior is intolerable. I will not
>> > tolerate it on the Github project.
>> 
>> So the _community_ content will now be subject to what _you_ tolerate? if
>> that is going to be the case, I'd like to see something formally written
>> on what you intend to tolerate and how this is going to impact potential
>> submissions...
> 
> I get to decide who I don't want to deal with.
> 
> I won't deal with someone who is hateful and nasty and abusive as Thomas
> Lahn.

At least I am honest.  I say what I think, and I do what I say.  With you, 
all bets are off.  You do not even understand where you are posting to, the 
medium you are using then (hint: it is _not_ the Web).
 
> Scott will try to get time to work on automated postings to the NG. And
> there is more work to do for getting app hosting for that.

I am sure people will be delighted about the additional *unsolicited* 
messages (aka spam) :->
 
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PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#21809

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:21:30 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> dhtml wrote:
> 

> 
> At least I am honest.  I say what I think, and I do what I say.  With you, 
> 
Yes, you are. 

You don't like the open source Github project. I get it. Rude replies to in personal email about that and hateful posts on the NG. Clear as day. 

Do as you wish with your copy of the FAQ.
-- 
Garrett
http://ChordCycles.com/

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#21810

dhtml wrote:

> On Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:21:30 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> wrote:
>> dhtml wrote:
>> At least I am honest.  I say what I think, and I do what I say.  With
>> you,
> 
> Yes, you are.
> 
> You don't like the open source Github project. I get it. Rude replies to
> in personal email about that and hateful posts on the NG. Clear as day.

You don't get anything at all.
 
> Do as you wish with your copy of the FAQ.

I do not need your permission.  I have had the consent and support of 
several regulars already before you came back.  Your problem is that, 
unfortunately, until now you have forgotten to do a reality check.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#21859

In comp.lang.javascript message <b2d9e3f4-d48d-427b-a668-1217ebf28ecd@go
oglegroups.com>, Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:28:41, dhtml
<dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> posted:

>On Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:21:30 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars'
>Lahn wrote:
>> dhtml wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> At least I am honest.  I say what I think, and I do what I say.  With you,
>>
>Yes, you are.
>
>You don't like the open source Github project. I get it. Rude replies
>to in personal email about that and hateful posts on the NG. Clear as
>day.
>
>Do as you wish with your copy of the FAQ.


The FAQ is not yours, so you cannot give that permission.

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#21878

2013-11-02 19:48, Dr J R Stockton wrote:
[...]

> The FAQ is not yours, so you cannot give that permission.

Who's the rights to FAQ?

-- 
Cezary Tomczyk
http://www.ctomczyk.pl/

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#21889

Cezary Tomczyk wrote:

> 2013-11-02 19:48, Dr J R Stockton wrote:
> [...]
>> The FAQ is not yours, so you cannot give that permission.

ACK.
 
> Who's the rights to FAQ?

Due to lack of an exhaustive list of contributors, everybody and nobody at 
the same time.  And as we have discussed before, that is a/the problem here. 
Contrary to common misconception, the subscribers or contributors of a 
newsgroup are _not_ a legal entity simply because neither is well-defined.

A reasonable way to resolve this without a license is to assume that the 
parts contributed by a person continue to belong to them even after 
publication.  He who maintains such a FAQ, then, is merely the keeper of the 
intellectual property thus made publicly available; he keeps it, updates it, 
and improves it so that his peers can continue to benefit from it.

There are better ways to resolve this that I am going to investigate, and 
will implement for the FAQ for comp.lang.javascript if and when I am sure 
that they cannot and will not be abused in order to steal intellectual 
property, or, in general, to use it only for one's own benefit.

-- 
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Twitter: @PointedEars2
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#21905

In comp.lang.javascript message <1383549540.TNsZB9pSnc@PointedEars.de>,
Mon, 4 Nov 2013 01:49:15, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
posted:

>There are better ways to resolve this that I am going to investigate, and
>will implement for the FAQ for comp.lang.javascript if and when I am sure
>that they cannot and will not be abused in order to steal intellectual
>property, or, in general, to use it only for one's own benefit.

You have no right to write or edit a FAQ for comp.lang.javascript, since
you have not been generally agreed by the users of comp.lang.javascript
to be anything like a suitable person.

The first hurdle, at which you have fallen, is to be manifestly usually
amiable.

You can write a JavaScript FAQ of your own, but that will need to stand
or fall by its own merits, if any.

-- 
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#21907

Dr J R Stockton wrote:

[snipped attribution novel]

> […] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn […] posted:
>> There are better ways to resolve this that I am going to investigate, and
>> will implement for the FAQ for comp.lang.javascript if and when I am sure
>> that they cannot and will not be abused in order to steal intellectual
>> property, or, in general, to use it only for one's own benefit.
> 
> You have no right to write or edit a FAQ for comp.lang.javascript, since
> you have not been generally agreed by the users of comp.lang.javascript

And I presume you presume to be someone who can forbid me that which you 
have done yourself.

> to be anything like a suitable person.

For that matter, nobody has agreed that you are anything like a suitable 
person either.  How dare you to have a copy of the original FAQ at your 
site, then?
 
> The first hurdle, at which you have fallen, is to be manifestly usually
> amiable.

You appear to be under the illusion that you and your opinion are still held 
here in high regard.
 
> You can write a JavaScript FAQ of your own, but that will need to stand
> or fall by its own merits, if any.

No, it will not have to.  You have neither been paying attention nor have 
you cared to read carefully the posting you have replied to.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
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#21927

In comp.lang.javascript message <1589111.ZGqaern48i@PointedEars.de>,
Wed, 6 Nov 2013 01:12:14, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
posted:

>Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>
>[snipped attribution novel]
>
>> […] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn […] posted:
>>> There are better ways to resolve this that I am going to investigate, and
>>> will implement for the FAQ for comp.lang.javascript if and when I am sure
>>> that they cannot and will not be abused in order to steal intellectual
>>> property, or, in general, to use it only for one's own benefit.
>>
>> You have no right to write or edit a FAQ for comp.lang.javascript, since
>> you have not been generally agreed by the users of comp.lang.javascript
>
>And I presume you presume to be someone who can forbid me that which you
>have done yourself.

I have neither written nor edited a FAQ for comp.lang.javascript.


>> to be anything like a suitable person.
>
>For that matter, nobody has agreed that you are anything like a suitable
>person either.  How dare you to have a copy of the original FAQ at your
>site, then?

Nobody (perhaps), including me (certainly).  The copy on my site is
manifestly a copy - it does not even contain, AFAIR, my name.  The only
link to it from my site has an explicit statement that it is a copy.


>> The first hurdle, at which you have fallen, is to be manifestly usually
>> amiable.
>
>You appear to be under the illusion that you and your opinion are still held
>here in high regard.
>
>> You can write a JavaScript FAQ of your own, but that will need to stand
>> or fall by its own merits, if any.
>
>No, it will not have to.  You have neither been paying attention nor have
>you cared to read carefully the posting you have replied to.

I *never* care to read your material.  But sometimes I do read it.  Your
understanding of English is not as good as you think it is.


Please do not post when you are in a bad temper.

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#21929

Dr J R Stockton wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn posted:
>> Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>> [snipped attribution novel]
>>> […] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn […] posted:
>>>> There are better ways to resolve this that I am going to investigate,
>>>> and will implement for the FAQ for comp.lang.javascript if and when I
>>>> am sure that they cannot and will not be abused in order to steal
>>>> intellectual property, or, in general, to use it only for one's own
>>>> benefit.
>>>
>>> You have no right to write or edit a FAQ for comp.lang.javascript, since
>>> you have not been generally agreed by the users of comp.lang.javascript
>>
>> And I presume you presume to be someone who can forbid me that which you
>> have done yourself.
> 
> I have neither written nor edited a FAQ for comp.lang.javascript.
> 
>>> to be anything like a suitable person.
>>
>> For that matter, nobody has agreed that you are anything like a suitable
>> person either.  How dare you to have a copy of the original FAQ at your
>> site, then?
> 
> Nobody (perhaps), including me (certainly).  The copy on my site is
> manifestly a copy - it does not even contain, AFAIR, my name.  The only
> link to it from my site has an explicit statement that it is a copy.

You can try to deceive yourselves.  You have published a so-called 
“Annotated newsgroup JavaScript FAQ” containing contributions from other 
people, which is nothing else than an edited copy.  Just like my “FAQ for 
comp.lang.javascript” (note the wording), but in your case it remains 
uncertain if you have obtained permission to publish those contributions.

<http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-faq-a.htm>

> Please do not post when you are in a bad temper.

… said the hypocritical troll.

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#21944

In comp.lang.javascript message <3123251.tyZ7cGsoPO@PointedEars.de>,
Fri, 8 Nov 2013 02:02:14, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
posted:

>Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn posted:
>>> Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>>> [snipped attribution novel]
>>>> […] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn […] posted:
>>>>> There are better ways to resolve this that I am going to investigate,
>>>>> and will implement for the FAQ for comp.lang.javascript if and when I
>>>>> am sure that they cannot and will not be abused in order to steal
>>>>> intellectual property, or, in general, to use it only for one's own
>>>>> benefit.
>>>>
>>>> You have no right to write or edit a FAQ for comp.lang.javascript, since
>>>> you have not been generally agreed by the users of comp.lang.javascript
>>>
>>> And I presume you presume to be someone who can forbid me that which you
>>> have done yourself.
>>
>> I have neither written nor edited a FAQ for comp.lang.javascript.
>>
>>>> to be anything like a suitable person.
>>>
>>> For that matter, nobody has agreed that you are anything like a suitable
>>> person either.  How dare you to have a copy of the original FAQ at your
>>> site, then?
>>
>> Nobody (perhaps), including me (certainly).  The copy on my site is
>> manifestly a copy - it does not even contain, AFAIR, my name.  The only
>> link to it from my site has an explicit statement that it is a copy.
>
>You can try to deceive yourselves.  You have published a so-called
>“Annotated newsgroup JavaScript FAQ” containing contributions from other
>people, which is nothing else than an edited copy.  Just like my “FAQ for
>comp.lang.javascript” (note the wording), but in your case it remains
>uncertain if you have obtained permission to publish those contributions.
>
><http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-faq-a.htm>

The copy of the FAQ is at <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/$clj-faq.htm>.
The js-faq-a page is an annotated copy.

Annotation is not editing.  The material on a white background is an
exact reproduction (E&OE) of the newsgroup FAQ of 2010-10-08, and the
annotations are distinct, being boxed and on a yellow background.

A would-be maintainer of a FAQ written in English does need to be able
to understand English - and you fail there, in addition to being ruled
out by Section 14.2.

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#21908

On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:26:02 +0000, Dr J R Stockton wrote:

> The first hurdle, at which you have fallen, is to be manifestly usually
> amiable.

I must disagree, Dr. Stockton. The first hurdle is to be willing to take on
the responsibility.

There certainly are other desirable characteristics; I suspect that
accuracy and completeness come before amiability when the requirements of
FAQ maintainer are examined objectively.

I suspect that any any perceived animosity newcomers might feel from Thomas
is simply due to his posting style. I suspect that in person he is of
average or superior amiability.

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#21912

On 2013-11-04 01:49, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Cezary Tomczyk wrote:
>
>> 2013-11-02 19:48, Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>> [...]
>>> The FAQ is not yours, so you cannot give that permission.
>
> ACK.
>
>> Who's the rights to FAQ?
>
> Due to lack of an exhaustive list of contributors, everybody and nobody at
> the same time.  And as we have discussed before, that is a/the problem here.
> Contrary to common misconception, the subscribers or contributors of a
> newsgroup are _not_ a legal entity simply because neither is well-defined.

Sounds little bit like a non-solvable problem until someone will not 
create FAQ from the scratch. I am pretty sure that everyone can create 
something like "non-official comp.lang.javascript FAQ" or something similar.

> A reasonable way to resolve this without a license is to assume that the
> parts contributed by a person continue to belong to them even after
> publication.  He who maintains such a FAQ, then, is merely the keeper of the
> intellectual property thus made publicly available; he keeps it, updates it,
> and improves it so that his peers can continue to benefit from it.

Sounds reasonable.

> There are better ways to resolve this that I am going to investigate, and
> will implement for the FAQ for comp.lang.javascript if and when I am sure
> that they cannot and will not be abused in order to steal intellectual
> property, or, in general, to use it only for one's own benefit.

Keep working on it.

-- 
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http://www.ctomczyk.pl/

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#21793

In comp.lang.javascript message <526f2152$0$6558$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arc
or-online.net>, Tue, 29 Oct 2013 03:45:41, Christoph Michael Becker
<cmbecker69@arcor.de> posted:

>Adam Silver wrote:
>
>> Bit concerned that we now have the current/out-of-date FAQ, Thomas
>> Lahns' updated FAQ on his website, Scotts Sauyet's proposed Github
>> solution, your proposed Github solution and now my placeholder
>> organisation.
>
>I am more than a bit concerned about that.  Which of these FAQs is the
>official one?  Which FAQ will be appropriately maintained in the (near)
>future?  If I have suggestions for improvement, how can I convey
>these--and to whom?

The only official newsgroup FAQ, in any newsgroup, is the one regularly
posted to the newsgroup and discussed in that newsgroup.

That posting, and the daily posting of fragments, should cease, and that
document should be considered as historic rather than current (with its
beginning and end appropriately annotated).  Copyright for the material
in it is morally protected and belongs to the newsgroup as a whole.  But
we must remember that the stealing of resources is an essential part of
the American way of life.

There should be a weekly newsgroup posting of a new pseudo-FAQ,
maintained and updated with general newsgroup agreement, which ONLY
contains a description of itself and links with descriptions to other
places which contain reasonably well-maintained JavaScript material.

Any document of that description needs to contain a specific type of
material (and to say so) - material for newbies, reference material,
expert material, etc.

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