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  FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-09-01 13:49 -0700
    Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2013-09-02 15:03 -0400
      Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-02 21:51 +0200
        Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-09-05 20:06 -0700
          [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-06 12:14 +0200
            Re: [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen) John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-07 15:44 +0100
              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-08 21:54 +0200
                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-09 02:20 +0200
                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-09 10:55 +0100
                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-09-09 13:53 -0700
                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-10 00:10 +0200
                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-11 14:58 +0100
                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-10 00:30 +0200
                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-11 19:28 +0100
                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-14 01:28 +0200
                        Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-15 18:36 +0100
                          Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-09-16 12:26 +1000
                            Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 08:19 +0000
                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-09-16 22:52 +1000
                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-16 16:00 +0100
                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-16 22:08 +0200
                                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 23:23 +0200
                                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-17 00:53 +0200
                                        Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-09-17 01:14 +0100
                                          Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-17 15:35 +0100
                                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-17 15:32 +0100
                                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-18 01:12 +0200
                                        Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-18 10:12 +0100
                                          Re: [FAQ] Suggestions "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-18 11:52 +0200
                                            Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-19 11:29 +0100
                                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-19 13:44 +0200
                                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-20 11:39 +0100
                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-27 01:40 +0200
                                                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-28 17:54 +0100
                                                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 01:04 +0000
                                                        Re: [FAQ] Suggestions dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-09-28 21:03 -0700
                                                        Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-30 14:22 +0200
                                                          Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-01 10:52 +0100
                                                            Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-02 01:39 +0200
                                                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-02 15:18 +0100
                                                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-02 23:14 +0200
                                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-10-03 09:54 +0200
                                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-03 15:50 +0100
                                                                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-07 23:03 +0200
                                                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 19:01 +0200
                                                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-06 10:45 -0700
                                                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-06 20:14 +0100
                                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-10-07 12:50 -0700
                                                                    Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-10-07 21:57 +0000
                                                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-07 22:43 +0200
                                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-10-10 02:10 +0200
                                                          Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-10-01 19:29 +0100
                                                      Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-02 01:52 +0200
                                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Swifty <steve.j.swift@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 18:07 +0100
                                                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-19 21:23 +0200
                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-20 11:48 +0100
                                                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2013-09-20 12:24 -0700
                              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-17 00:03 +0200
                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-09 19:46 +0100
            Re: [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen) Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-07 20:11 +0100
              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-09-07 23:59 +0100
                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen) "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-09-08 09:24 +0200
                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-08 22:01 +0200
              Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-12 15:12 +0200
                Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-09-12 14:33 +0100
                  Re: [FAQ] Suggestions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-12 15:43 +0200
    Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-02 23:15 +0200
    Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-02 19:02 +0100
      Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-09-05 20:05 -0700
        Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-12 12:05 +0200
          Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2013-09-12 13:22 +0300
            Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-12 15:29 +0200
              Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Mike Duffy <md_002@videotron.ca> - 2013-09-12 10:43 -0400
          Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-12 16:19 +0100
            Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-12 18:08 +0200
              Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-13 15:51 +0100
          Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-13 20:32 +0100
            Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-09-19 01:40 +0200
    Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-03 00:02 +0200
    Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-03 01:10 +0200
      Re: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-04 19:50 +0000

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#21193 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen)

In article <E2zH2mDXp3KSFwww@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>,
 Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

> In comp.lang.javascript message <1432633.0Ca1GCPGyj@PointedEars.de>,
> Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:14:34, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
> posted:
> 
> >  Although I do revisions of the FAQ on my own, I do not consider it my job
> >  as FAQ maintainer/editor to find the borken/missing link, or to anticipate
> >  your wishes.
> 
> You are not maintainer of the newsgroup FAQ; that requires the general
> assent of the newsgroup, and a willingness to be guided by the members
> of the group.
> 
> You are, instead, a plagiarist in breach of the principles of copyright
> - among your other social defects.
> 
> You are of course fully entitles to write your own material, /ab
> initio/, on your own Web site; but few will find it beneficial.
> 
> And your persistent use of "borken" betrays your immaturity - or
> ineducability.

Well he's a geek, isn't he, and it's well known that geeks are childish. 
The phrase "idiot savant" comes to mind.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#21199 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions (was: FAQ Problems, DHTML Kitchen)

Tim Streater wrote on 08 sep 2013 in comp.lang.javascript:

> In article <E2zH2mDXp3KSFwww@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>,
>  Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> In comp.lang.javascript message <1432633.0Ca1GCPGyj@PointedEars.de>,
>> Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:14:34, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
>> <PointedEars@web.de> posted:
>> 
>> >  Although I do revisions of the FAQ on my own, I do not consider it
>> >  my job as FAQ maintainer/editor to find the borken/missing link,
>> >  or to anticipate your wishes.
>> 
>> You are not maintainer of the newsgroup FAQ; that requires the
>> general assent of the newsgroup, and a willingness to be guided by
>> the members of the group.
>> 
>> You are, instead, a plagiarist in breach of the principles of
>> copyright - among your other social defects.
>> 
>> You are of course fully entitles to write your own material, /ab
>> initio/, on your own Web site; but few will find it beneficial.
>> 
>> And your persistent use of "borken" betrays your immaturity - or
>> ineducability.
> 
> Well he's a geek, isn't he, and it's well known that geeks are
> childish. The phrase "idiot savant" comes to mind.

General questions, my answers:

Do we need a maintainer who tries to please everyone? NO
And does so even if detrimental to his job? MORE SO NO

Do we strongly object to a maintainer that has his own ideas? NO
Do we object to a maintainer posting such ideas? NO

Do we object to a maintainer that includes his ideas against the consensus 
in the NG? YES

Do we want a maintainer who has a more than reasonable knowledge of code? 
YES

Do we want a maintainer who keeps us sharp, even if that includes 
arrogance? YES

So I VOTE for PE, if he abides for the FAQ, at least where available, to 
the consensus in the NG, however objectionable his postings[!] may be to 
some or many.

All, but the worst, programmers are idiots, childish, enthousiasts, 
arrogant individualists and/or specialists in some code-subjects while 
understandably ignorant of others, we are just like the somewhat better 
part of humanity. 

This NG is NOT a religious sect, where agreement is paramount and 
dissenting voices are to be shunned.

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to 
pause and reflect.” [attributed to Mark Twain]

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#21209 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

Evertjan. wrote:

> General questions, my answers:
> 
> Do we need a maintainer who tries to please everyone? NO
> And does so even if detrimental to his job? MORE SO NO
> 
> Do we strongly object to a maintainer that has his own ideas? NO
> Do we object to a maintainer posting such ideas? NO
> 
> Do we object to a maintainer that includes his ideas against the consensus 
> in the NG? YES
> 
> Do we want a maintainer who has a more than reasonable knowledge of code? 
> YES
> 
> Do we want a maintainer who keeps us sharp, even if that includes 
> arrogance? YES
> 
> So I VOTE for PE, if he abides for the FAQ, at least where available, to 
> the consensus in the NG, however objectionable his postings[!] may be to 
> some or many.
> 
> All, but the worst, programmers are idiots, childish, enthousiasts, 
> arrogant individualists and/or specialists in some code-subjects while 
> understandably ignorant of others, we are just like the somewhat better 
> part of humanity. 
> 
> This NG is NOT a religious sect, where agreement is paramount and 
> dissenting voices are to be shunned.
> 
> “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to 
> pause and reflect.” [attributed to Mark Twain]

Full ACK (to all of the above).

And I like to add another question/answer:

Do we want this newsgroup's FAQ to be maintained? -- *yes*

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#21288 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

Dr J R Stockton wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn posted:
>>  Although I do revisions of the FAQ on my own, I do not consider it my
>>  job as FAQ maintainer/editor to find the borken/missing link, or to
>>  anticipate your wishes.
> 
> You are not maintainer of the newsgroup FAQ; that requires the general
> assent of the newsgroup, and a willingness to be guided by the members
> of the group.
> 
> You are, instead, a plagiarist in breach of the principles of copyright
> - among your other social defects.

,<news:2715826.m0UDekTA75@PointedEars.de>
,<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.javascript/yvxh6sd5deU/OVlYGsRKIIYJ>
| 
| Here is how I would like this to work for a start: 
| 
| - Glaringly obvious errors I will fix by myself.  (But you are welcome to 
|   point them out to me anyway.  See below.) 
| 
| - In order to keep the number of discussions in the newsgroup on this FAQ 
|   to a minimum (like someone here said so aptly, “Let's discuss 
|   JavaScript!”), I am going to 
| 
|   * search the newsgroup for <FAQENTRY> sections, and past postings as 
|     free time permits; 
| 
|   * read follow-ups to FAQ postings; 
| 
|   * welcome your suggestions for improvement via e-mail; to my Reply-To 
|     address if possible, to my From address if the Reply-To address is not 
|     feasible for you; 
| 
|   * select a collection of suggestions for discussion in the newsgroup, on 
|     a regular basis if possible.  I will hear your opinions, discuss those 
|     suggestions (and only those) with you in public, and finally make an 
|     informed decision based on those discussions.  (Because given the
|     length of and diversity in this thread already, I seriously doubt it
|     will be possible to do this in a reasonable way based on group
|     consensus, let alone a majority vote; AFAIK, previous maintainers also
|     never operated on such a basis.  Sorry.) 
| 
| […]
| 
| - Although the copyright statement of the current FAQ is ambiguous to say 
|   the least, as Patricia pointed out, I have no intention of infringing 
|   copyright.  Those who would like their contributions to be removed from 
|   that FAQ may request that.  However, the burden of proof lies with the 
|   person requesting removal of content. 
`----

(To which you replied only “Drop dead.”)

So if you think you have made a considerable contribution to the original 
FAQ, and do not want it in the new FAQ, you can request removal of that 
content under those terms.  We will then just have to get along without your 
help.

> You are of course fully entitles to write your own material, /ab
> initio/, on your own Web site; but few will find it beneficial.

On the other hand, if you think this newsgroup needs an up-to-date, 
factually correct FAQ, for once you could do something *constructive* and 
support a good cause.  If you are willing to start communicating in a 
civilised manner, I am willing to let bygones be bygones, and would 
appreciate any suggestions you may have.
 
> And your persistent use of "borken" betrays your immaturity - or
> ineducability.

No, your persistent complaining betrays your ignorance of the fact that you 
are within a (hacker) subculture here which, necessarily, has its own rules 
and jargon that is practised by the people who are also within that 
subculture, and who define it by their mere presence and personality.  And 
that, unfortunately, you are not getting the pun.

That is particularly curious as you appear to be even more fond than me of 
using acronyms from that very jargon (“YSCIB”, “KETFOB”, and so on).

<http://catb.org/jargon/html/>
<http://catb.org/jargon/html/B/borken.html>
<http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/acronyms.htm#Acro>

-- 
PointedEars, ed.

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#21290 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

In article <7999713.rOig3AcjxW@PointedEars.de>,
 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

> Dr J R Stockton wrote:

> > And your persistent use of "borken" betrays your immaturity - or
> > ineducability.
> 
> No, your persistent complaining betrays your ignorance of the fact that you 
> are within a (hacker) subculture here which, necessarily, has its own rules 
> and jargon that is practised by the people who are also within that 
> subculture, and who define it by their mere presence and personality.  And 
> that, unfortunately, you are not getting the pun.

If you think you are a hacker, would you like to go away and do it 
somewhere else. Personally I prefer the company of mature people. 
Childish geeks are a bore. And take your silly nom-de-plume away with 
you.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#21292 — Re: [FAQ] Suggestions

Tim Streater wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>> Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>> > And your persistent use of "borken" betrays your immaturity - or
>> > ineducability.
>> 
>> No, your persistent complaining betrays your ignorance of the fact that
>> you are within a (hacker) subculture here which, necessarily, has its own
>> rules and jargon that is practised by the people who are also within that
>> subculture, and who define it by their mere presence and personality. 
>> And that, unfortunately, you are not getting the pun.
> 
> If you think you are a hacker, would you like to go away and do it
> somewhere else. Personally I prefer the company of mature people.
> Childish geeks are a bore. And take your silly nom-de-plume away with
> you.

Apparently you have been deceived by the mass media as to what a hacker is.
You should read the referred material to clarify that misconception.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#21152

dhtml wrote:

> The FAQ has at least one orphaned page, some broken links, and is often
> down.
> 
> http://jibbering.com/faq/

Which is why there is a maintained alternative with IMHO not too bad an 
uptime already that has been referred to by other people here before.

> * Wrong link to Kangax' NFE article,
> * The notes page needs a link to the square brackets article:
> http://jibbering.com/faq/notes/square-brackets/
> 
> I'd like to bring back my old site, dhtmlkitchen.com, and put the FAQ on
> there. I'm right now posting on a borrowed computer that has no newsreader
> installed.

Of course you are free to do with your site as you please, but JFTR and 
JFYI:

I am not amused.

In 2010 you quit, more precisely, you *abandoned* maintenance of the FAQ 
(that is, quitting before a successor was named).  As a result, it had gone 
unmaintained and unfixed for more than 2 years.

My e-mail to you in March 2011 in which I asked you for advice on FAQ 
maintainence has gone unanswered.

December 2012 you were among those who publicly agreed that I should become 
the new maintainer:

<https://twitter.com/xkit/status/275859437732896768>

Following that vote of confidence, I have put considerable effort into 
devising a way to make this work –

<news:2715826.m0UDekTA75@PointedEars.de>

<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.javascript/yvxh6sd5deU/OVlYGsRKIIYJ>

– and into hosting a FAQ on my site with the goal of becoming the new FAQ:

<http://PointedEars.de/faq>

I have received *no* suggestions for improvements so far over the designated 
channels, especially not by you.  

I know I have not been overly busy there (but elsewhere instead), however
I have already made some improvements on my own:

<http://PointedEars.de/websvn/log.php?repname=FAQs&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fcljs%2F&isdir=1&showchanges=1>

Do you think it is fair play to push the reset button on me now, just by 
popping back after two years of virtual absence?
 
> I am trying to get a project together to pay for this:
> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dhtmlkitchen-ii/x/4553807

In draft mode, not public.
 
> I have to get a bank account so that I can receive paypal payments:

Something appears to be missing here.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#21153

In comp.lang.javascript message <36617530-5742-4755-999d-3e61695d5510@go
oglegroups.com>, Sun, 1 Sep 2013 13:49:06, dhtml
<dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> posted:

>Hi Everyone -
>
>The FAQ has at least one orphaned page, some broken links, and is often down.
>
>http://jibbering.com/faq/
>
>* Wrong link to Kangax' NFE article,
>* The notes page needs a link to the square brackets article:
>http://jibbering.com/faq/notes/square-brackets/
>
>I'd like to bring back my old site, dhtmlkitchen.com, and put the FAQ
>on there. I'm right now posting on a borrowed computer that has no
>newsreader installed.

Not good.  You cannot be trusted, since you chose to abandon the
position of FAQ maintainer without first finding a suitable replacement
and doing a final clean-up edit of at least the opening and closing
parts.

>I am trying to get a project together to pay for this:
>http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dhtmlkitchen-ii/x/4553807
>
>I have to get a bank account so that I can receive paypal payments:

FAQ maintaining should be a gift of effort to the community, by the
maintainer or his employer; it should not be a paid job of itself.

It should also be done by someone smarter than you.

-- 
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#21170

On Monday, September 2, 2013 11:02:01 AM UTC-7, Dr J R Stockton wrote:
> In comp.lang.javascript message <36617530-5742-4755-999d-3e61695d5510@go
> 
> oglegroups.com>, Sun, 1 Sep 2013 13:49:06, dhtml
> 
> <dhtml*******@gmail.com> posted:
> 
> 
> 
> >Hi Everyone -
> 
> >
> 
> >The FAQ has at least one orphaned page, some broken links, and is often down.
> 
> >
> 
> >http://jibbering.com/faq/
> 
> >
> 
> >* Wrong link to Kangax' NFE article,
> 
> >* The notes page needs a link to the square brackets article:
> 
> >http://jibbering.com/faq/notes/square-brackets/
> 
> >
> 
> >I'd like to bring back my old site, dhtmlkitchen.com, and put the FAQ
> 
> >on there. I'm right now posting on a borrowed computer that has no
> 
> >newsreader installed.
> 
> 
> 
> Not good.  You cannot be trusted, since you chose to abandon the
> 
> position of FAQ maintainer without first finding a suitable replacement
> 
> and doing a final clean-up edit of at least the opening and closing
> 
> parts.
> 
I tried many many times to recruit a replacement. Search the archives if you've forgotten.

Lahn wanted it but there was not consensus. I tried to recruit a few folks who wouldn't take it. ANd so nobody took it.

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#21278

dhtml wrote:

> Lahn wanted it but there was not consensus. I tried to recruit a few folks
> who wouldn't take it. ANd so nobody took it.

Apparently you are unaware that in English (and Western civilization in 
general) it is considered impolite to refer to a person by their standalone 
surname.  The proper reference would be “Mr. Lahn” (with or without period), 
“Thomas Lahn”, “Thomas ‘PointedEars’ Lahn” (all unusual in Usenet where 
people go by the less formal “you can say you to me” paradigm, unless 
misconduct is to be indicated; but the latter may still be considered polite 
if used for disambiguation); preferably “Thomas” or “PointedEars” (both are 
common in Usenet).  To me, abbreviations like “TL”, “PE”, or (if need be) 
“TPEL” are acceptable as well.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#21279

2013-09-12 13:05, the pointless troll “PointedEars” wrote:

> Apparently you are unaware that in English (and Western civilization in
> general) it is considered impolite to refer to a person by their standalone
> surname.

Your knowledge about Western civilization seems to be strikingly 
limited, to put it politely. The style of such references is heavily 
language- and culture-dependent, and also contextual.

> The proper reference would be “Mr. Lahn” (with or without period),
> “Thomas Lahn”, “Thomas ‘PointedEars’ Lahn” […]

Anyone who posts such requirements in a discussion group, without the 
slightest connection to the topic of the group, surely deserves to be 
referred to as a troll or a disturber.

On the other hand, such pointless self-centered posts are a useful 
reminder: anything posted by “PointedEars” should be read with 
suspicion, even when it looks like being on-topic and occasionally even 
correct (though virtually always pointlessly long and in lecturing style).

-- 
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

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#21289

Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

> 2013-09-12 13:05, the pointless troll “PointedEars” wrote:
>> Apparently you are unaware that in English (and Western civilization in
>> general) it is considered impolite to refer to a person by their
>> standalone surname.
> 
> Your knowledge about Western civilization seems to be strikingly
> limited, to put it politely. The style of such references is heavily
> language- and culture-dependent, and also contextual.

I take it then that you have no objections of my referring to you as 
“Korpela” only.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#21293

On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:29:32 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> 
>> 2013-09-12 13:05, the pointless troll “PointedEars” wrote:
>>> Apparently you are unaware that in English (and Western civilization in
>>> general) it is considered impolite to refer to a person by their
>>> standalone surname.
>> 
>> Your knowledge about Western civilization seems to be strikingly
>> limited, to put it politely. The style of such references is heavily
>> language- and culture-dependent, and also contextual.
> 
> I take it then that you have no objections of my referring to you as 
> “Korpela” only.

I would add personal preference to the list as well.

My father is often referred to by his closest friends as "Duffy". They
mean no disrespect, and he does not mind it in the least.

Perhaps Canadians are an exeption to Thomas' perception of such
objections being universal in Western civilization.

It is very common for mass media organizations to abbreviated names in
this manner. Likely this practice has origins in hardcopy newsprint
headlines where space is at a premium.

Probably it would not be a good idea at family gatherings. And it can be
confusing sometimes if the surname is a common word. (Best, Day, Hunt,
May, Quick, Ray, Wild, Wise, Wood, Young, etc.)

Another possible objection I can see are people with titles, who might
feel that the omission of the title has been deliberate because the
speaker/author feels that the title is undeserved:

"Obama" vs. "President Obama"
"McCartney" vs. "Sir Paul McCartney"
"Stockton" vs. "Dr. Stockton"

In any case, Thomas is (as usual) being meticulous by asking Jucca if he
has a specific objection to being referred to as "Korpela".

-- 
http://pages.videotron.com/duffym/index.htm

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#21296

On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 12:05:27 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
<PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

  <snip>
>Apparently you are unaware that in English (and Western civilization in 
>general) it is considered impolite to refer to a person by their standalone 
>surname.
  <snip>

It's a lot more subtle than you realise. 

If you are upper or upper middle class talking to a member of the same
class such as Bertie Wooster then it's polite to say Wooster, but you
can say Bertie if you are a friend or one of his ferocious aunts. 

However if you are talking to a member of a lower class such as the
greengrocer Fred Jones then it is impolite to say Jones, polite to say
Mr Jones. (The stop as in Mr. is usually omitted these days.)

But if you are talking to your butler or your valet such as Jeeves
then it is normal to use just the surname.

HTH

  John

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#21299

John Harris wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Apparently you are unaware that in English (and Western civilization in
>> general) it is considered impolite to refer to a person by their
>> standalone surname.
> 
> It's a lot more subtle than you realise.
> 
> If you are upper or upper middle class talking to a member of the same
> class such as Bertie Wooster then it's polite to say Wooster, but you
> can say Bertie if you are a friend or one of his ferocious aunts.
> 
> However if you are talking to a member of a lower class such as the
> greengrocer Fred Jones then it is impolite to say Jones, polite to say
> Mr Jones. (The stop as in Mr. is usually omitted these days.)
> 
> But if you are talking to your butler or your valet such as Jeeves
> then it is normal to use just the surname.

Thank you very much for the clarification indeed.  However, in 
“(comp.lang.)javascript” there are no classes.  Neither are there in Usenet; 
As I indicated, this is a meritocracy instead, and that is reflected by 
using rather informal language.

While I realize that it is probably more common in the United Kingdom (and 
in monarchies in general), I consider thinking based on social classes 
obsolete in real life.  Some may consider that a part of their tradition; 
I consider it just demeaning.  A person should be appreciated for their 
contributions to society, not for the circumstances into which they were 
born.  Have not (civil) wars been fought, and people died, in order to 
abolish social status based on birthright once and for all?

F'up2 poster

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#21324

On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 18:08:40 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
<PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

>John Harris wrote:
>
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Apparently you are unaware that in English (and Western civilization in
>>> general) it is considered impolite to refer to a person by their
>>> standalone surname.
>> 
>> It's a lot more subtle than you realise.
>> 
>> If you are upper or upper middle class talking to a member of the same
>> class such as Bertie Wooster then it's polite to say Wooster, but you
>> can say Bertie if you are a friend or one of his ferocious aunts.
>> 
>> However if you are talking to a member of a lower class such as the
>> greengrocer Fred Jones then it is impolite to say Jones, polite to say
>> Mr Jones. (The stop as in Mr. is usually omitted these days.)
>> 
>> But if you are talking to your butler or your valet such as Jeeves
>> then it is normal to use just the surname.
>
>Thank you very much for the clarification indeed.  However, in 
>“(comp.lang.)javascript” there are no classes.  Neither are there in Usenet; 
>As I indicated, this is a meritocracy instead, and that is reflected by 
>using rather informal language.

Your initial remark was entirely general. I was replying to that, not
to your second thoughts.


>While I realize that it is probably more common in the United Kingdom (and 
>in monarchies in general), I consider thinking based on social classes 
>obsolete in real life.  Some may consider that a part of their tradition; 
>I consider it just demeaning.  A person should be appreciated for their 
>contributions to society, not for the circumstances into which they were 
>born.  Have not (civil) wars been fought, and people died, in order to 
>abolish social status based on birthright once and for all?

Strictly speaking, people's behaviour is not obsolete, it just is.


>F'up2 poster

See it here. Reply here.

  John

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#21332

In comp.lang.javascript message <1513058.a4hMC53v5T@PointedEars.de>,
Thu, 12 Sep 2013 12:05:27, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
<PointedEars@web.de> posted:

>dhtml wrote:
>
>> Lahn wanted it but there was not consensus. I tried to recruit a few folks
>> who wouldn't take it. ANd so nobody took it.
>
>Apparently you are unaware that in English (and Western civilization in
>general) it is considered impolite to refer to a person by their standalone
>surname.

Pinhead, it is naive of you to presume that anyone would wish to be
polite to you, since you are so frequently extremely rude, albeit
without common vulgarity, to others.

In any case, we commonly refer to Germans by their unadorned surnames :
Haendel, Bach, Hegel, Marx, Pachelbel, Wagner, Goebbels, Duerer,
Adenauer, Bismarck, Doenitz, Bunsen, Diesel, Einstein, Planck, Luther,
Clausewitz, Rommel, Gutenberg, ...

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#21382

Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> writes:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> posted:
>
>>dhtml wrote:
>>
>>> Lahn wanted it but there was not consensus. I tried to recruit a few folks
>>> who wouldn't take it. ANd so nobody took it.
>>
>>Apparently you are unaware that in English (and Western civilization in
>>general) it is considered impolite to refer to a person by their standalone
>>surname.
>
> Pinhead, it is naive of you to presume that [...]

... 'Western civilization' exists. That's a forgivable mistake, though,
I clearly remember that I was rather naive about it as well before I
read your various contributions to this group.

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#21154

Garrett,

welcome back.

On 2013-09-01 22:49, dhtml wrote:
> I'd like to bring back my old site, dhtmlkitchen.com, and put the FAQ on there.

There have been some developments concerning the FAQ since you left. If
you haven't been following the group, this thread contains the most
recent discussion (I think):

https://groups.google.com/d/topic/comp.lang.javascript/yvxh6sd5deU

I've decided to stay out of FAQ related discussions.

- stefan

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#21158

On 2013-09-01 22:49, dhtml wrote:
> I'd like to bring back my old site, dhtmlkitchen.com [...]
> I am trying to get a project together to pay for this: 
> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dhtmlkitchen-ii/x/4553807
> 
> I have to get a bank account so that I can receive paypal payments:

Wait a minute, I don't get the fundraiser thing. I thought you needed to
buy your old domain back from some domain grabber (in which case I would
have recommended to leave them in the dirt and register a new domain),
but... dhtmlkitchen.com is still registered to you, and has been since 2001.
So what's stopping you from resurrecting your old site, and why would
you need financial support to do it? Is it just the hosting?

- stefan

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