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Maintainer of the FAQ

Started byAsen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com>
First post2012-11-19 13:00 -0800
Last post2012-12-23 19:13 +0000
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  Maintainer of the FAQ Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 13:00 -0800
    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 13:34 -0800
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2012-11-20 01:25 -0800
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-11-20 13:39 +0100
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> - 2012-11-20 11:24 -0800
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-21 19:19 +0000
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-22 14:09 +1100
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-20 19:50 +0000
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-11-20 19:56 -0800
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-11-21 11:24 +0100
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-22 23:34 +0000
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-11-23 11:07 -0800
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-24 18:30 +0000
    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ jim.ley@gmail.com - 2012-11-22 03:06 -0800
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> - 2012-11-22 07:15 -0800
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Martin Leese <please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID> - 2012-11-22 08:48 -0700
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-23 20:00 +0000
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-11-24 10:36 +0100
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1247@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-25 19:16 +0000
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-11-26 10:18 +0000
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-11-26 12:50 +0200
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2012-11-30 14:23 -0500
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-01 09:24 +0000
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2012-12-01 08:45 -0500
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-12-01 16:17 +0200
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-12 19:30 -0800
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-01 18:50 +0100
    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-02 19:25 +0100
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-02 21:31 +0100
    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Asen Bozhilov <asen.bozhilov@gmail.com> - 2012-12-05 03:48 -0800
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-05 12:55 +0100
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-12-05 14:52 +0200
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-06 06:16 +1100
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2012-12-05 16:56 -0500
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-12-06 00:20 +0200
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-05 14:47 -0800
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-06 07:11 -0800
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 08:37 -0800
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-06 17:50 +0100
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 08:57 -0800
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-06 18:32 +0100
                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 10:34 -0800
                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-07 11:05 +0000
                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-07 07:21 -0800
                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-11 09:01 -0800
                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-12 19:37 -0800
                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2012-12-07 11:24 -0500
                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-11 09:00 -0800
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-07 20:54 +0000
                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-12-08 03:42 +0100
                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2012-12-08 02:53 +0000
                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-09 16:43 +0000
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-07 11:16 +0000
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-08 18:45 +0000
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-06 10:40 -0800
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-06 15:16 +0000
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 08:48 -0800
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-12-06 18:31 +0000
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-06 23:06 +0000
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 16:24 -0800
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-08 18:06 +0000
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 01:29 +0100
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-12-05 22:24 +0000
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-05 23:36 +0100
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 00:35 +0100
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-07 10:45 +1100
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 16:01 -0800
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-07 21:00 +0000
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-12-08 10:17 +0000
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 01:12 +0100
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 23:22 +0100
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-08 04:46 +0100
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-08 15:56 +0000
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-08 09:00 -0800
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2012-12-08 17:54 +0000
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-08 20:53 +0100
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 11:02 +0100
                    Functions in JavaScript vs. mathematics & the name "JavaScript" "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-12-08 23:31 +0200
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Mike Duffy <Use_guestbook_page@website.in.sig> - 2012-12-09 02:02 +0000
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-08 23:12 -0800
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-09 16:44 +0000
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2012-12-10 01:30 -0500
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-08 16:04 +0000
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-08 08:37 -0800
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-08 21:34 +0100
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-08 21:49 +0100
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-09 11:05 +0000
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-12-06 03:24 +0100
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-06 16:09 +0100
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-06 15:23 +0000
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-06 17:44 +0100
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-07 15:03 +0000
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 09:05 -0800
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-12-06 18:59 +0100
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-12-06 19:24 +0100
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-06 19:26 +0100
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 14:11 -0800
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-07 03:07 +0100
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 18:36 -0800
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-07 04:11 +0100
                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-06 20:26 -0800
                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-07 20:40 +1100
                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-07 01:58 -0800
                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-07 14:32 +0100
                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-07 07:22 -0800
                                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 11:19 -0800
                                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-07 21:11 +0100
                                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-07 16:19 -0800
                                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-08 18:33 +0000
                                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-08 22:14 -0800
                                        FAQ source format (was: Maintainer of the FAQ) Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 13:56 +0100
                                          Re: FAQ source format Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-09 08:09 -0800
                                            Re: FAQ source format Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 19:12 -0800
                                            Re: FAQ source format Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-10 20:49 +0000
                                          Re: FAQ source format (was: Maintainer of the FAQ) Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 18:59 -0800
                                            Re: FAQ source format Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-09 20:13 -0800
                                              Re: FAQ source format Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 20:50 -0800
                                          Re: FAQ source format (was: Maintainer of the FAQ) Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-10 20:41 +0000
                                            Re: FAQ source format (was: Maintainer of the FAQ) Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-10 18:09 -0800
                                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-09 07:06 -0800
                                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 19:12 -0800
                                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-09 20:11 -0800
                                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-10 20:32 +0000
                                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-10 17:53 -0800
                                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-12 21:07 +0000
                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2012-12-12 21:52 -0500
                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-13 16:05 +0000
                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-15 00:40 +0000
                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-13 08:09 -0800
                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-15 00:40 +0000
                                                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-15 11:02 -0800
                                                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-16 17:58 +0000
                                                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-17 11:22 +0100
                                                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-17 10:40 -0800
                                                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-17 20:05 +0100
                                                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-18 00:31 +0100
                                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Osmo Saarikumpu <osmo@weppipakki.com> - 2012-12-18 10:18 +0200
                                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-18 13:38 +0100
                                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-18 14:59 +0100
                                                                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-18 16:33 +0000
                                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-18 09:26 -0800
                                                                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-18 23:09 +0100
                                                                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-18 23:47 +0100
                                                                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-18 15:21 -0800
                                                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-18 16:32 +0000
                                                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-18 08:11 -0800
                                                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-19 18:26 +0000
                                                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 06:55 -0800
                                                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-21 15:46 +0100
                                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-21 06:59 -0800
                                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 08:27 -0800
                                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-21 19:12 +0100
                                                                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-21 15:30 -0800
                                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 08:24 -0800
                                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-21 19:09 +0100
                                                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-21 20:21 +0000
                                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-22 08:58 -0800
                                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-14 08:01 +1100
                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Adam Silver <adambsilver@gmail.com> - 2012-12-14 00:28 -0800
                                                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-15 23:25 +0000
                                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-15 00:39 +0000
                                                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-16 00:23 +1100
                                                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-15 15:00 +0100
                                                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Osmo Saarikumpu <osmo@weppipakki.com> - 2012-12-16 17:14 +0200
                                                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-17 18:33 +0000
                                                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-16 17:32 +0000
                                                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-16 17:24 +0000
                                                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-18 17:15 +1100
                                                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-19 18:57 +0000
                                                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Osmo Saarikumpu <osmo@weppipakki.com> - 2012-12-27 23:03 +0200
                                                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-28 11:14 +1100
                                                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-28 09:12 +0100
                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-08 18:24 +0000
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-12-07 10:11 +0000
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-13 09:25 -0800
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-14 07:26 +1100
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-12-13 21:45 +0100
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-07 21:06 +0000
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-08 02:45 +0100
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-08 13:30 +1100
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-09 17:00 +0000
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-12-08 10:14 +0000
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-05 09:03 -0800
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-05 18:39 +0100
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-05 11:56 -0800
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-05 12:30 -0800
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-06 08:54 +1100
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-05 23:38 +0100
                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2012-12-13 14:18 -0500
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-15 00:09 +0000
                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-16 01:54 +0100
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-17 18:32 +0000
                    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-18 07:06 -0800
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-18 17:54 +0100
                        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-18 11:38 -0800
                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-18 12:50 -0800
                          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-18 23:23 +0100
                            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-18 19:46 -0800
                              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-19 18:10 +0100
                                Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 11:31 -0800
                                  Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-19 22:54 +0100
                      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 16:36 +0100
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-12-05 22:49 +0100
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-06 23:21 +0000
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-06 15:08 +0000
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 01:01 +0100
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Adam Silver <adambsilver@gmail.com> - 2012-12-06 07:40 -0800
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1249@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-06 23:51 +0000
    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2012-12-08 02:19 +0000
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-12-08 03:57 +0100
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2012-12-08 03:06 +0000
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-12-08 09:34 +0100
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2012-12-08 13:36 +0000
    Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-22 16:19 +1100
      Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-22 08:59 -0800
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-23 13:38 +1100
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-12-23 10:49 +0200
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-23 16:58 -0800
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1252@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-24 21:03 +0000
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-12-27 09:33 -0800
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1252@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-28 21:33 +0000
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-28 11:16 +1100
          Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-28 09:08 +0000
            Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-12-28 22:01 +1100
              Re: Maintainer of the FAQ John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-28 11:26 +0000
        Re: Maintainer of the FAQ Dr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-23 19:13 +0000

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#17760

FromGene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
Date2012-12-18 09:26 -0800
Message-ID<9l91d8tc9rm4k0v1fqguk23lifqkh7g9kv@4ax.com>
In reply to#17752
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:38:56 +0100, "Evertjan."
<exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:

[snip]
>Gene did not talk about Javascript engines, but about the environment 
>["browser"]. He, so he implied, could not imagine the existance of other 
>dimensions.

     No.  I have not run across JavaScript use outside of a browser so
I wanted to know how people are using it outside of a browser.  I
could easily imagine a use, but I wanted real data.  I find that
asking works better than guessing.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#17763

From"Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net>
Date2012-12-18 23:09 +0100
Message-ID<XnsA12DEB9022329eejj99@194.109.133.133>
In reply to#17760
Gene Wirchenko wrote on 18 dec 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:

> On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:38:56 +0100, "Evertjan."
> <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
>>Gene did not talk about Javascript engines, but about the environment 
>>["browser"]. He, so he implied, could not imagine the existance of other 
>>dimensions.
> 
>      No.  I have not run across JavaScript use outside of a browser so
> I wanted to know how people are using it outside of a browser.  I
> could easily imagine a use, but I wanted real data.  I find that
> asking works better than guessing.

Okay, I was teasing you, sorry.

I hope I gave you a fair example of the othere environments.

======================

One [among many] nice thing about Serverside Javascript is,
that you can make a function work both clientside and serverside:

Say you have a function like isEmailAddress(email), you can first test 
clienside if a string contains a "valid" email address, and then, after 
submission, test it again serverside [to prevent clientside hacking of 
your code leading to inadmissible entries to your database]. You will have 
to enter the same function definition twice, btw.


-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#17765

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2012-12-18 23:47 +0100
Message-ID<3429928.SMqNJtattL@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#17763
Evertjan. wrote:

> Gene Wirchenko wrote on 18 dec 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:
>> "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> Gene did not talk about Javascript engines, but about the environment
>>> ["browser"]. He, so he implied, could not imagine the existance of other
>>> dimensions.
>> 
>>      No.  I have not run across JavaScript use outside of a browser so
>> I wanted to know how people are using it outside of a browser.  I
>> could easily imagine a use, but I wanted real data.  I find that
>> asking works better than guessing.
> 
> Okay, I was teasing you, sorry.

“Misunderstanding” would be more like it.

> I hope I gave you a fair example of the othere environments.
> 
> ======================
> 
> One [among many] nice thing about Serverside Javascript is,

There is no “Serverside Javascript” as there is no “Javascript”, therefore …

> that you can make a function work both clientside and serverside:
> 
> Say you have a function like isEmailAddress(email), you can first test
> clienside if a string contains a "valid" email address, and then, after
> submission, test it again serverside [to prevent clientside hacking of
> your code leading to inadmissible entries to your database]. You will have
> to enter the same function definition twice, btw.

… this approach will only work *reliably* if the function code uses only 
features that are common to all relevant versions of all relevant server-
side and client-side ECMAScript implementations, and does not use any 
features that depend on its runtime environment.

For example, if the function uses features only supported by 
Netscape/Mozilla JavaScript (say, built for use on an NES-compatible Web 
server that uses Rhino 1.7, with generators), then it cannot be used 
verbatim on the client-side without forfeiting its functionality in software 
that is not Mozilla-based, such as Microsoft Internet Explorer, or Mozilla-
based software that is too old to support JavaScript 1.7, such as 
Firefox 1.5.

Likewise, if the function depends on features native to JScript (say, it was 
built for use with ASP on IIS, and for some reason depends on Conditional 
Compilation) or not introduced before a specific version of JScript, then it 
cannot be used verbatim on the client-side without forfeiting its 
functionality in software that does not use Microsoft JScript, like Mozilla 
Firefox, Google Chrome, Opera, and so on, and in versions of Internet 
Explorer or Windows systems in general that do not support the required 
JScript version.

Understanding these differences is important.  It is why “Javascript” is a 
misnomer; why I created, and why I am continuing to maintain the ECMAScript 
Support Matrix, <http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix>.


PointedEars
-- 
    realism:    HTML 4.01 Strict
    evangelism: XHTML 1.0 Strict
    madness:    XHTML 1.1 as application/xhtml+xml
                                                    -- Bjoern Hoehrmann

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#17766

FromGene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
Date2012-12-18 15:21 -0800
Message-ID<chu1d8dmva4luvebg2qqhkmmcesqojt708@4ax.com>
In reply to#17763
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:09:24 +0100, "Evertjan."
<exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:

>Gene Wirchenko wrote on 18 dec 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:38:56 +0100, "Evertjan."
>> <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:
>> 
>> [snip]
>>>Gene did not talk about Javascript engines, but about the environment 
>>>["browser"]. He, so he implied, could not imagine the existance of other 
>>>dimensions.
>> 
>>      No.  I have not run across JavaScript use outside of a browser so
>> I wanted to know how people are using it outside of a browser.  I
>> could easily imagine a use, but I wanted real data.  I find that
>> asking works better than guessing.
>
>Okay, I was teasing you, sorry.
>
>I hope I gave you a fair example of the othere environments.

     You did.  I did not understand many of the acronyms.  That is how
far off my experience those uses are.

>======================
>
>One [among many] nice thing about Serverside Javascript is,
>that you can make a function work both clientside and serverside:
>
>Say you have a function like isEmailAddress(email), you can first test 
>clienside if a string contains a "valid" email address, and then, after 
>submission, test it again serverside [to prevent clientside hacking of 
>your code leading to inadmissible entries to your database]. You will have 
>to enter the same function definition twice, btw.

     I like it, too.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#17769

FromDr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid>
Date2012-12-18 16:32 +0000
Message-ID<sL7d5INPqJ0QFwOd@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>
In reply to#17744
In comp.lang.javascript message <8npuc8hrra8jqpr8hhaii21clk3t99dfm6@4ax.
com>, Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:40:39, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
posted:

>On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:22:29 +0100, "Evertjan."
><exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:
>
>>Dr J R Stockton wrote on 16 dec 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:
>>
>>> Although the newsgroup covers all use of JavaScript-type languages, most
>>> usage of such (counting by author) is in Web pages, and all who write
>>> for Web pages should know basic HTML, and basic HTML is adequate for
>>> writhing a FAQ.  So I see no benefit in another form of marking, however
>>> simple.
>>
>>Indeed.
>>
>>While there could very well be genuine Javascript adepts who never have
>>touched CSS, HTML or the DOM, I maintain we must expect such basic skills
>>from the maintaining maintainer.
>
>     What would they be using JavaScript for?
>
>     I have never seen it used outside of a browser.

Google the world, and then my site, for SEAKFYLE.  It runs both in
Windows Scripting Host (+/- "ing") and in an MSIE HTA.  I have not only
written it, but also used it.  It can, for example, list only the
directory entries for large files dated (in any of three ways) for a
Thursday.

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK.  ¬@merlyn.demon.co.uk   Turnpike v6.05   MIME.
   Web  <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.

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#17755

FromScott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com>
Date2012-12-18 08:11 -0800
Message-ID<3acb9cd7-70c9-4585-a2b2-bc3c57227f64@c14g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#17726
Dr J R Stockton wrote:

> A newsgroup FAQ should be implemented in such a fashion that anybody who
> knows how to read and write News articles can step in immediately as the
> FAQ maintainer.  It is difficult enough to find suitable maintainers;
> possibilities should not be forced to jump through extra hoops of
> learning before they can make alterations to the FAQ.

So do you have a proposal for how to maintain the FAQ?

The current structure is a single XML document containing the entire
FAQ, using a JScript extract into the HTML FAQ and, I believe, a Perl
auto-poster for the daily posts.  There is no current maintenance.
But I'm pretty certain that such maintenance as was most recently done
involved a single person updating that XML document.  A sample portion
of that XML structure looks like this:

    <CONTENT TITLE="What is the Document Object Model (DOM)?"
             ID="dom" NUMID="2_9">
      <P>The
        <DFN>Document Object Model</DFN>
        (DOM) is a interface-based model for
        <ICODE>Document</ICODE>
        objects. The DOM allows scripts to dynamically access and
        update a document's content, style, and event handlers.
      </P>
      <P>The DOM is
        <EM>not</EM>
        part of the ECMAScript programming language.
      </P>
      <!-- ... -->
    </CONTENT>

Thomas Lahn has proposed altering that XML to make it more useful, but
keeping the single document.  He would replace the JScript with XSLT.
Maintenance would also involve a single maintainer, although opened up
to view via a Subversion repository.  Presumably the auto-poster would
also be updated as necessary to match the XML changes.

My proposal would be to replace that XML with a collection of plain
text documents.  I'm suggesting Markdown as a simpler-to-use format
for USENET posting, one which can easily be used to generate HTML for
the Web-based version.  I am looking at using Javascript for both the
auto-poster and the generation of the static HTML FAQ.  Maintenance
would be by a single person or a group.  I'm proposing Github has the
mechanism to share changes to these files.  I'm open to better
alternatives.  My version of the above (in a file of its own) might
look something like this:

    What is the Document Object Model (DOM)?
    ========================================

    The _Document Object Model_ (DOM) is a interface-based model for
    `Document` objects. The DOM allows scripts to dynamically access
    and update a document's content, style, and event handlers.

    The DOM is _not_ part of the ECMAScript programming language.

    ...

So do you have a choice among these suggestions, or a suggestion of
your own?

  -- Scott

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#17779

FromDr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid>
Date2012-12-19 18:26 +0000
Message-ID<RTmSv$J4ag0QFwYM@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>
In reply to#17755
In comp.lang.javascript message <3acb9cd7-70c9-4585-a2b2-bc3c57227f64@c1
4g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:11:11, Scott Sauyet
<scott.sauyet@gmail.com> posted:

>Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>
>> A newsgroup FAQ should be implemented in such a fashion that anybody who
>> knows how to read and write News articles can step in immediately as the
>> FAQ maintainer.  It is difficult enough to find suitable maintainers;
>> possibilities should not be forced to jump through extra hoops of
>> learning before they can make alterations to the FAQ.
>
>So do you have a proposal for how to maintain the FAQ?

As a plain text file, used directly as the body of news postings, edited
by whatever editor(s) the current maintainer currently chooses.

For the Web, with a suitably configured server, the same as a *.TXT file
like my <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/estralgs.txt> is served (its
content might in part amuse you - or might not).

<http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/y2k_mfaq.txt> worked.

If it is felt absolutely essential to prettify some part of what is
seem, instead put that plain text in a PRE element with a minimum height
of prettification above it.


Alternatively, maintain as a very simple HTML file (i.e. one that
*could* be described by a *VERY* simple DOCTYPE) linking to minimal CSS,
and generate the *.TXT version by processing the HTML with JavaScript
that we control -- and we do not complexify.


And we should get our energies back to discussing JavaScript here.

-- 
© John Stockton, Surrey, UK.  ???@merlyn.demon.co.uk   Turnpike v4.00   MIME. ©
 Web  <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/>  -  with FAQish topics, links, acronyms
 Dates - miscdate.htm  Year 2000 - date2000.htm  Critical Dates - critdate.htm
 Euro computing - european.htm  UK Y2k mini-FAQ: y2k_mfaq.txt  Don't Mail News

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#17782

FromScott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com>
Date2012-12-20 06:55 -0800
Message-ID<010aec15-60d5-41cd-a88d-85c48cd9d230@c14g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#17779
Dr J R Stockton  wrote:
> Scott Sauyet posted:
>> Dr J R Stockton wrote:

>>> A newsgroup FAQ should be implemented in such a fashion that anybody who
>>> knows how to read and write News articles can step in immediately as the
>>> FAQ maintainer.  It is difficult enough to find suitable maintainers;
>>> possibilities should not be forced to jump through extra hoops of
>>> learning before they can make alterations to the FAQ.
>
>> So do you have a proposal for how to maintain the FAQ?
>
> As a plain text file, used directly as the body of news postings, edited
> by whatever editor(s) the current maintainer currently chooses.

Okay, so we have a third proposal, as well as the status quo.  Thomas
Lahn proposed something very much like the current XML structure,
although perhaps with multiple documents.  (It's still not clear to me
if he means to have additional documents for supporting material or to
make each entry it's own XML file, but that's another discussion.)  I
proposed multiple plain text files, structured using Markdown, one for
each entry.

Note that Markdown is a simple text format, patterned after such
sources as email messages and USENET postings.  A document formatted
as a Markdown file is a readable plain-text representation that can
also be easily translated into a meaningful subset of the standard
HTML tag-set.

> For the Web, with a suitably configured server, the same as a *.TXT file
> like my <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/estralgs.txt> is served (its
> content might in part amuse you - or might not).
>
> <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/y2k_mfaq.txt> worked.

I, for one, find it much easier to read, and especially to navigate
the current FAQ, <http://jibbering.com/faq/>.  Turning this into a
plain text document strikes me as a step backward.  I also would be
opposed to posting the full FAQ as a single post.  I think the daily
posting is a very good idea, with a link to the full FAQ.



> Alternatively, maintain as a very simple HTML file (i.e. one that
> *could* be described by a *VERY* simple DOCTYPE) linking to minimal CSS,
> and generate the *.TXT version by processing the HTML with JavaScript
> that we control -- and we do not complexify.

I think that's significantly more complex than the reverse.


> And we should get our energies back to discussing JavaScript here.

Feel free.  This thread certainly has stretched on.  But I'm glad to
see real effort finally being put into the FAQ after two years of
stagnation.

  -- Scott

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#17784

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2012-12-21 15:46 +0100
Message-ID<30142024.jo3loCeJWj@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#17782
Scott Sauyet wrote:

> Dr J R Stockton  wrote:
>> Scott Sauyet posted:
>>> Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>>>> A newsgroup FAQ should be implemented in such a fashion that anybody
>>>> who knows how to read and write News articles can step in immediately
>>>> as the FAQ maintainer.  It is difficult enough to find suitable
>>>> maintainers; possibilities should not be forced to jump through extra
>>>> hoops of learning before they can make alterations to the FAQ.
>>> So do you have a proposal for how to maintain the FAQ?
>> As a plain text file, used directly as the body of news postings, edited
>> by whatever editor(s) the current maintainer currently chooses.
> 
> Okay, so we have a third proposal, as well as the status quo.  Thomas
> Lahn proposed something very much like the current XML structure,
> although perhaps with multiple documents.  (It's still not clear to me
> if he means to have additional documents for supporting material or to
> make each entry it's own XML file, but that's another discussion.)

As I explained in my previous posting [1] already, each section of that FAQ 
has its own XML file already.  Using the same approach, further division 
into one XML file for each subsection is easily possible.  Without neither 
negating the existence of a one-document FAQ containing all sections nor the 
possibility to display only one section/subsection per document, and the 
possibility to post it or its sections/subsections separately and regularly 
in the newsgroup, as plain text.


PointedEars
___________
[1] <news:3277590.iR7sza6qQi@PointedEars.de>
-- 
Danny Goodman's books are out of date and teach practices that are
positively harmful for cross-browser scripting.
  -- Richard Cornford, cljs, <cife6q$253$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk> (2004)

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#17785

FromPatricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
Date2012-12-21 06:59 -0800
Message-ID<BtednbaGxNW35EnNnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#17784
On 12/21/2012 6:46 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
...
> As I explained in my previous posting [1] already, each section of that FAQ
> has its own XML file already.  Using the same approach, further division
> into one XML file for each subsection is easily possible.  Without neither
> negating the existence of a one-document FAQ containing all sections nor the
> possibility to display only one section/subsection per document, and the
> possibility to post it or its sections/subsections separately and regularly
> in the newsgroup, as plain text.
>
>
> PointedEars
> ___________
> [1] <news:3277590.iR7sza6qQi@PointedEars.de>
>

One advantage of XML is that transformation such as splitting out
subsections or merging sections into one file are extremely easy and
reliable.

Patricia

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#17787

FromScott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com>
Date2012-12-21 08:27 -0800
Message-ID<87cfac25-417d-4cda-bfc3-9309e1d43ac7@w8g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#17785
Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

>> As I explained in my previous posting already, each section of that FAQ
>> has its own XML file already.  Using the same approach, further division
>> into one XML file for each subsection is easily possible.  [ ... ]
>
> One advantage of XML is that transformation such as splitting out
> subsections or merging sections into one file are extremely easy and
> reliable.

I've always found it easy to do document merging with XML.  I've found
it harder to split things up appropriately, often resorting to larger
amounts of code for what should be a simple task.  I'm sure there are
good techniques that I never learned, but to me merging was always the
easier side of this.

  -- Scott

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#17789

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2012-12-21 19:12 +0100
Message-ID<2718679.GK7gGRmmtK@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#17785
Patricia Shanahan wrote:

> On 12/21/2012 6:46 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> ...
>> As I explained in my previous posting [1] already, each section of that
>> FAQ has its own XML file already.  Using the same approach, further
>> division into one XML file for each subsection is easily possible. 
>> Without neither negating the existence of a one-document FAQ containing
>> all sections nor the possibility to display only one section/subsection
>> per document, and the possibility to post it or its sections/subsections
>> separately and regularly in the newsgroup, as plain text.
>> […]
>> ___________
>> [1] <news:3277590.iR7sza6qQi@PointedEars.de>
>>
> 
> One advantage of XML is that transformation such as splitting out
> subsections or merging sections into one file are extremely easy and
> reliable.

Why are you telling me things that I already know? :)


PointedEars
-- 
> If you get a bunch of authors […] that state the same "best practices"
> in any programming language, then you can bet who is wrong or right...
Not with javascript. Nonsense propagates like wildfire in this field.
  -- Richard Cornford, comp.lang.javascript, 2011-11-14

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#17790

FromPatricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
Date2012-12-21 15:30 -0800
Message-ID<CrqdnUbAa8GbbEnNnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#17789
On 12/21/2012 10:12 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>
>> On 12/21/2012 6:46 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> ...
>>> As I explained in my previous posting [1] already, each section of that
>>> FAQ has its own XML file already.  Using the same approach, further
>>> division into one XML file for each subsection is easily possible.
>>> Without neither negating the existence of a one-document FAQ containing
>>> all sections nor the possibility to display only one section/subsection
>>> per document, and the possibility to post it or its sections/subsections
>>> separately and regularly in the newsgroup, as plain text.
>>> […]
>>> ___________
>>> [1] <news:3277590.iR7sza6qQi@PointedEars.de>
>>>
>>
>> One advantage of XML is that transformation such as splitting out
>> subsections or merging sections into one file are extremely easy and
>> reliable.
>
> Why are you telling me things that I already know? :)

My comment was in a public posting to the newsgroup, not a personal
e-mail to you.

Patricia

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#17786

FromScott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com>
Date2012-12-21 08:24 -0800
Message-ID<793164ed-f5d8-4950-870a-40df6da2a72c@b8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#17784
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Scott Sauyet wrote:

>> Thomas Lahn proposed something very much like the current XML structure,
>> although perhaps with multiple documents.  (It's still not clear to me
>> if he means to have additional documents for supporting material or to
>> make each entry it's own XML file, but that's another discussion.)
>
> As I explained in my previous posting [1] already, each section of that FAQ
> has its own XML file already.
> [1] <news:3277590.iR7sza6qQi@PointedEars.de>

I'm glad to hear it.  But no, I didn't get that out of this:

|> I think it would be a step forward to create separate documents for
|> each FAQ entry.  But that seems contrary to the approach you've
|> presented.  Am I misunderstanding?
|>
| Yes, see
|
| <http://PointedEars.de/scripts/faq/cljs/index.xml> and the
changelog.
|
| I did not expect it to be that easy, though.  I was experimenting
tonight
| with an “include” element¹, when I remembered to have seen the
“Process XML
| inclusions” setting in Eclipse WTP (whose XML editor turns out to be
very
| helpful) [2] while setting up local Validation there.  A quick
Google search
| for “xml include” showed the better solution [3] then.

If I had found the change log you were referencing, I probably would
have understood, but I didn't see a file named `changelog.txt` or
similar in the root, and didn't pursue it.  I'm now supposing you mean
the Subversion change log in the repository mentioned earlier, which
I've since visited.  Now I see better what you're doing.

I assume it's different for you running these locally, but when I view
the referenced `index.xml`, I see only the shell.  The document
entities are not resolved, and the <CONTENTS> node is empty.


>                               Using the same approach, further division
> into one XML file for each subsection is easily possible.  Without neither
> negating the existence of a one-document FAQ containing all sections nor the
> possibility to display only one section/subsection per document, and the
> possibility to post it or its sections/subsections separately and regularly
> in the newsgroup, as plain text.


I would definitely prefer the single document per FAQ entry/
subsection.  ISTM that this would make it simpler to edit the
important content, and not much more difficult to work with the
indexing/navigation.

  -- Scott

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#17788

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2012-12-21 19:09 +0100
Message-ID<7845240.ffiaYbSxCL@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#17786
Scott Sauyet wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Scott Sauyet wrote:
>>> Thomas Lahn proposed something very much like the current XML structure,
>>> although perhaps with multiple documents.  (It's still not clear to me
>>> if he means to have additional documents for supporting material or to
>>> make each entry it's own XML file, but that's another discussion.)
>> As I explained in my previous posting [1] already, each section of that
>> FAQ has its own XML file already.
>> [1] <news:3277590.iR7sza6qQi@PointedEars.de>
> 
> I'm glad to hear it.  But no, I didn't get that out of this:
> 
> |> I think it would be a step forward to create separate documents for
> |> each FAQ entry.  But that seems contrary to the approach you've
> |> presented.  Am I misunderstanding?
> |>
> | Yes, see
> |
> | <http://PointedEars.de/scripts/faq/cljs/index.xml> and the
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> | changelog.
> |
> | I did not expect it to be that easy, though.  I was experimenting
> | tonight with an “include” element¹, when I remembered to have seen
> | the “Process XML inclusions” setting in Eclipse WTP (whose XML editor
> | turns out to be very helpful) [2] while setting up local Validation
> | there.  A quick Google search for “xml include” showed the better
> | solution [3] then.
> 
> If I had found the change log you were referencing, I probably would
> have understood, but I didn't see a file named `changelog.txt` or
> similar in the root, and didn't pursue it.

Well, I have posted the URI of the (now) master XML resource, and explained 
the approach I took for splitting up the data, for a reason.  I have also 
already said that there is a link in the generated FAQ document to the 
changelog.

> I'm now supposing you mean the Subversion change log in the repository
> mentioned earlier, which I've since visited. 

What else.  AISB, there is a link to the changelog *in* the “FAQ for 
comp.lang.javascript”, and it is at the top of that generated document.  

> Now I see better what you're doing.

Good.

> I assume it's different for you running these locally,

No, nothing is run separately anymore.  While I do test locally, the HTML 
document is generated *on the fly* from the XML data, by transforming XML
to HTML according to the templates defined in the XSLT stylesheet.

> but when I view the referenced `index.xml`, I see only the shell. 

Whereas with “shell” I assume you mean the CONTENTS element.  You could say 
that is a bug in the XML view of browsers.  I have seen it in Chromium 22.  
<Ctrl>+<u> is your friend.

> The document entities are not resolved,

They are (wrongly), that is why no content is displayed.

> and the <CONTENTS> node is empty.

The index.xml resource is not intended to be viewed directly, it contains 
just the *data*.  It always has, only now most of the data is referenced 
instead of included verbatim.


PointedEars
-- 
var bugRiddenCrashPronePieceOfJunk = (
    navigator.userAgent.indexOf('MSIE 5') != -1
    && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Mac') != -1
)  // Plone, register_function.js:16

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#17792

FromDr J R Stockton <reply1251@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid>
Date2012-12-21 20:21 +0000
Message-ID<d$tRUpJQTM1QFwz7@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>
In reply to#17782
In comp.lang.javascript message <010aec15-60d5-41cd-a88d-85c48cd9d230@c1
4g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, Thu, 20 Dec 2012 06:55:24, Scott Sauyet
<scott.sauyet@gmail.com> posted:


>I, for one, find it much easier to read, and especially to navigate
>the current FAQ, <http://jibbering.com/faq/>.  Turning this into a
>plain text document strikes me as a step backward.  I also would be
>opposed to posting the full FAQ as a single post.  I think the daily
>posting is a very good idea, with a link to the full FAQ.
>

I do think that the entire FAQ should be available as a single document,
in News, Web, or both.  That does not mean that it should not also be
available as daily items, weekly sections, or whatever.

One benefit of a single document is that users can save it and scan it
locally in a simple manner, for example to answer questions not indexed,
such as "what examples, if any, of the ternary operator are present?" or
even "What references to 'merlyn' are present?".

Also, they can use DOS FC or better to see exactly what has changed
since the last release, or since the last release that they saved, etc.

One benefit of a plaintext document is being able to do such a compare
in the semantic content alone, without also finding HTML/style/CSS
alterations to the prettiness.

The maintainers could also post in News a "Before and After" for any
part where presented code has changed or there has been significant
alteration to the text.

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, nr London UK               Reply address via Home Page.
   news:comp.lang.javascript FAQ <http://www.jibbering.com/faq/index.html>.
   <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-index.htm> jscr maths, dates, sources.
   <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> TP/BP/Delphi/jscr/&c, FAQ items, links.

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#17799

FromScott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com>
Date2012-12-22 08:58 -0800
Message-ID<c0ca02be-b534-4bc3-b16b-b16afdb67422@t5g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#17792
Dr J R Stockton wrote:
> Scott Sauyet posted:
>
>> I, for one, find it much easier to read, and especially to navigate
>> the current FAQ, <http://jibbering.com/faq/>.  Turning this into a
>> plain text document strikes me as a step backward.  I also would be
>> opposed to posting the full FAQ as a single post.  I think the daily
>> posting is a very good idea, with a link to the full FAQ.
>
> I do think that the entire FAQ should be available as a single document,
> in News, Web, or both.  That does not mean that it should not also be
> available as daily items, weekly sections, or whatever.

ACK.  I don't see a reason to post the full thing to News, but if
there is a consensus to do so I wouldn't object, so long as the
shorter daily postings also continue.


> One benefit of a single document is that users can save it and scan it
> locally in a simple manner, for example to answer questions not indexed,
> such as "what examples, if any, of the ternary operator are present?" or
> even "What references to 'merlyn' are present?".

Although it's slightly easier to do that with a text document, a copy-
and-paste from the HTML document on Jibbering would serve much the
same purpose.


> Also, they can use DOS FC or better to see exactly what has changed
> since the last release, or since the last release that they saved, etc.
>
> One benefit of a plaintext document is being able to do such a compare
> in the semantic content alone, without also finding HTML/style/CSS
> alterations to the prettiness.
>
> The maintainers could also post in News a "Before and After" for any
> part where presented code has changed or there has been significant
> alteration to the text.

All three of these possibilities would be made significantly stronger
with powerful diff tools embedded in a version-control system such as
git.  That was part of the reason I was suggesting GitHub.

  -- Scott

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#17699

FromJeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au>
Date2012-12-14 08:01 +1100
Message-ID<43ekc81dc1h70ji7sfht92m4p4s3fp0v3f@4ax.com>
In reply to#17684
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:07:04 +0000, in comp.lang.javascript Dr J R
Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid>
<Y6wAFuQ4HPyQFw7P@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid> wrote:

>| In comp.lang.javascript message <18e8688c-731a-46ce-b81f-bdf3b30e1a5d@10
>| g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>, Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:53:39, Scott Sauyet
[snip]
>| >I did try to make it clear that my design skills are not strong.  I'm
>| >assuming that there will be someone here who could help create CSS
>| >that would meet the group's goals for clarity and attractiveness.
>| 
>| This is a newsgroup.  No design skills should be used.  Plain text won
>| WWII; the losers started with Fraktur or similar; the other losers
>| favoured squashed spiders.  Any tarting up will reduce accessibility for
>| some.  

How will accessibility be reduced? There are no images, no multi-media
areas (video or audio) there is no Flash Player required. There isn't
even any JavaScript on the page (except for code examples).

As I understand it - the source files will be plain text using
markdown syntax. When viewed as a web page the markdown syntax is
converted to html elements. The CSS is required to format the text.
The only accessibility problems that I can see is, if for some strange
reason, there was a use of a crazy colour scheme.

Having a look at the faq.css file that is used to format the current
FAQ - I would vote to keep this same styling.

BTW: you own home page fails the WAI Level 1 test with 115 errors.

>| Eschew surplusage.

How so? How would the use of CSS cause excessive or nonessential
matter?
 
>| >> I cannot see whether you have done so, and it may in this case be
>| >> totally irrelevant.  BUT: also, all Web pages should be tested with
>| >> Firefox Zoom Text Only.  FireFox is a major browser, and ZTO can be much
>| >> appreciated, especially by older readers.
>| >
>| >I'm not sure there is a difference between Firefox's normal zoom mode
>| >and ZTO in a text-only page, but all the fonts will certainly scale
>| >properly in the design that's there.
>| 
>| To be sure, test.  Test ASAP.
>| 
>| If it is fundamentally an ASCII document, it will be OK.  But introduce
>| _any_ CSS layout with units other than (AFAIR) em & ex, and failure is
>| probable.

What a load of croc. Open a plain text file in your browser then do
the ctrl-+ and ctrl-- thing. The browser will zoom the text regardless
if there is a stylesheet attached or not.

>| Just roam the Web using Firefox with ZTO turned on, and try a few steps
>| UP of Ctrl-wheel on each site. Start, say, with a Google search results
>| page - the results are OK, the foot is neatly OK, the top fails.  Try
>| www.nasa.gov.  Try the heartlands of incompetence, www.usa.gov
>| &http://www.whitehouse.gov/.  Contrast https://www.gov.uk/ - and
>| http://www.whitehouse.gov/our-government !!.  But why "our"? - the WWW
>| is WW.  Parochial.  http://www.canada.gc.ca/home.html is nearly right.
>| http://www.govern.ad/ is rather good.

Have you seen your page zoomed to 500%?

>| >> and I rather dislike coloured ink for basic text.
>| >
>| >Again, I'm assuming that the design will be thrown away eventually.
>| >I'm mostly interested in the infrastructure at this point.
>| 
>| Indeed.  But you are including that which should not be there.
>| 
>| One should, by the way, also test printing in various browsers.  One of
>| our local help-the-people sites is OK on screen for me, dark enough text
>| on light enough.  But, printed in one common browser, the text is
>| undesirably faint, though readable in a good light etc.  Printed in
>| another common browser, that part of the paper could easily be reused as
>| lightly shop-soiled white paper.  I expect that using black text on
>| white or light pastel background on screen, with no special media CSS,
>| would have been fine.

Nothing special about:
@media print {
  body, html {
   background-color: white !important;
   color: black !important;
  }
}

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#17701

FromAdam Silver <adambsilver@gmail.com>
Date2012-12-14 00:28 -0800
Message-ID<7204de0a-5f52-48f6-b317-0e24a3e32d98@b11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#17699
It matters little if good advice is a little pedantic or hurts peoples
feelings along the way. Professional advice (like Thomas Lahn provides
for free) is extremely beneficial to the group.

If the group can't agree (it seems they may never), then Matt
McDonald's suggestion makes sense.

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#17716

FromDr J R Stockton <reply1250@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid>
Date2012-12-15 23:25 +0000
Message-ID<MPzV4O4ybQzQFwCE@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>
In reply to#17701
In comp.lang.javascript message <7204de0a-5f52-48f6-b317-0e24a3e32d98@b1
1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, Fri, 14 Dec 2012 00:28:10, Adam Silver
<adambsilver@gmail.com> posted:

>It matters little if good advice is a little pedantic or hurts peoples
>feelings along the way. Professional advice (like Thomas Lahn provides
>for free) is extremely beneficial to the group.

It matters if, as in this case, the advice is given in so repellent a
manner as to drive many nicer experts and many newbies away.

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, nr London UK               Reply address via Home Page.
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