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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.javascript |
| Subject | Re: I don't get it |
| Date | 2021-04-14 09:08 +0100 |
| Organization | A little, after lunch |
| Message-ID | <s567um$vhj$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | (17 earlier) <1ae0aa1d-162d-4666-acf9-50376e1acd9fn@googlegroups.com> <8090782c-7564-4881-a97e-70dd1e865674n@googlegroups.com> <87y2dmmgln.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <s550nh$f6a$1@dont-email.me> <875z0pn1sr.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
On 14/04/2021 01:32, Ben Bacarisse wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: > >> On 13/04/2021 14:58, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >>> The function is doing exactly what you wrote. >> >> Not for at least two decades, and certainly not in JavaScript. >> >> The function is doing what the compiler and/or interpreter decided you >> *meant* by what you wrote. > > It's a common mistake to think of code as implying more than it does. > This is particularly true of high-level languages like ECMAScript, but > it's also true of languages like C. Assuming more than the language > guarantees has been the source of many bugs in C programs. > >> Which is why you now have new keywords like 'volatile' to try and >> force it not to be clever with loop optimisations and Number() to >> ensure it actually does cast an unknown variable type to a number... > > Hmm... Your recent Number() example seems to be simply a case of your > not knowing what the language guarantees. Indeed. In the end that was exactly what it was, which proves that particular point. The spec didn't cover the case. And yet it should have. I had no reason to suppose that having got it working in Firefox it would utterly fail to work in IE4... > >> Years ago I could look at a bit of C code and translate it into the >> actual assembler that the compiler would spit out. Today it produces >> nothing like that at all. >> >> So far I have always been impressed at how good it was at >> optimisation, but as I have said elsewhere, sometimes it gets it >> wrong. > > I agree that all of this is contingent on the specification being clear > and there being no bugs in the language implementation. But in JT's > case, I would be very surprised if the problem where a bug in the > implementation. All beginners think they have found a compiler bug! Again its less bugs, than inability to handle edge cases. > >> And there are holes in the spec - areas that are 'indeterminate' and >> up to the whim of the compiler/interpreter and of course things like >> uninitialised memory. >> >> Then when you get to concurrent threads... > -- In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act. - George Orwell
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I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-08 03:32 -0700
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Re: I don't get it The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-04-09 10:03 +0100
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-09 04:09 -0700
Re: I don't get it "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2021-04-09 11:07 -0700
Re: I don't get it The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-04-10 03:23 +0100
Re: I don't get it "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2021-04-10 22:02 -0700
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-11 01:05 -0700
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Re: I don't get it The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-04-11 11:42 +0100
Re: I don't get it John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2021-04-09 20:01 +0100
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-09 13:31 -0700
Re: I don't get it The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-04-10 03:37 +0100
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-09 23:53 -0700
Re: I don't get it John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2021-04-10 12:05 +0100
Re: I don't get it Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-04-10 15:59 +0100
Re: I don't get it Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-04-10 15:47 +0100
Re: I don't get it The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-04-10 18:25 +0100
Re: I don't get it Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2021-04-10 17:29 +0000
Re: I don't get it Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-04-10 19:08 +0100
Re: I don't get it The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-04-11 11:41 +0100
Re: I don't get it Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-04-11 14:33 +0100
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-12 02:39 -0700
Re: I don't get it Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-04-12 11:21 +0100
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-12 10:19 -0700
Re: I don't get it Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-04-12 21:20 +0100
Re: I don't get it "sc...@sauyet.com" <scott@sauyet.com> - 2021-04-12 14:32 -0700
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-13 04:11 -0700
Re: I don't get it Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-04-13 14:58 +0100
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-13 09:20 -0700
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-13 09:29 -0700
Re: I don't get it Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-04-13 20:06 +0100
Re: I don't get it "sc...@sauyet.com" <scott@sauyet.com> - 2021-04-13 15:09 -0700
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-14 01:15 -0700
Re: I don't get it "sc...@sauyet.com" <scott@sauyet.com> - 2021-04-14 05:22 -0700
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-15 11:52 -0700
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-15 11:57 -0700
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-15 12:04 -0700
Re: I don't get it Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2021-04-15 19:29 -0700
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-20 14:12 -0700
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-20 14:47 -0700
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-20 23:35 -0700
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-21 01:08 -0700
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-21 01:24 -0700
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-21 01:29 -0700
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-13 09:32 -0700
Re: I don't get it The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-04-13 21:59 +0100
Re: I don't get it Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-04-14 01:32 +0100
Re: I don't get it The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-04-14 09:08 +0100
Re: I don't get it Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-04-14 10:06 +0100
Re: I don't get it The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-04-14 10:59 +0100
Re: I don't get it Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-04-14 14:05 +0100
Re: I don't get it The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-04-14 16:32 +0100
Re: I don't get it Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-04-14 23:53 +0100
Re: I don't get it The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-04-15 13:56 +0100
Re: I don't get it The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-04-12 11:20 +0100
Re: I don't get it Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-04-08 15:21 +0100
Re: I don't get it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2021-04-09 16:50 +0200
Re: I don't get it Man From a city with name Viljandi <he12457@hotmail.com> - 2021-04-08 10:44 -0700
Re: I don't get it Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2021-04-10 00:01 -0700
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