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Re: Primality sieve challenge

From Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.javascript
Subject Re: Primality sieve challenge
Date 2016-01-19 02:42 +0100
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On 01/18/2016 23:23, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com wrote:
> Do you guys knows if the biggest found prime it is binary or decimal digits?
> From wiki "17,425,170 digits"
> I think my program will be able to test it for primality, i would
> like an link to the ascii file. "if decimal". I prefer decimal before a binary.
> 
> It doesn't seem that big?
> 
> And if i can check that one for primality in desent time, i guess i
> will be able to find a bigger.
> 
> Largest known prime number
> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> 
> As of January 2016, the largest known prime number is 257,885,161 -
> 1, a number with 17,425,170 digits. It was found in 2013 by the Great
> Internet Mersenne Prime Search (GIMPS).

The number is 2 to the power of 57885161 - 1, not 257885161 - 1.
That tells you that the number has exactly 57885161 binary digits.
The 17425170 digits are therefore decimal.

> It doesn't seem that big?

A common estimate for the number of atoms in the observable universe is
10^80. That's a number with ~80 digits. You're going for a number with
17425170 digits. The raw decimal number takes ~17MB to store in an
uncompressed ASCII file, like you're proposing. If you were to print it
out, you'd need around 4k-5k sheets of paper (pages).

Or think about it in terms of time. The square root of that number is
around 10^8712585... let's call it an even 10^8700000 as your upper
boundary for trial division.
Your algorithm narrows the field by 90% (I haven't looked at it, just
taking your word for it). That means you only have to check 10^8699999
numbers, which is nice. Assuming you could test a trillion (10^12)
numbers per second (on average) and that you had started your program
shortly after the Big Bang, today you would have around 10^8699970
numbers left to test.

Big enough yet?

The number has been the record holder for 3 years now. Why do you think
that is? I don't mean to discourage your scripting efforts, but this
goal seems seriously out of reach with your approach. For a quick
comparison, today's statistics for the GIMPS project are

    Teams      864
    Users      143,562
    CPUs       1,195,522
    TFLOP/s    324.606
    GHz-Days   162,303

And that's with a specialized algorithm and software optimized to do
this one task. If you really are serious about finding prime numbers,
you'll have to acquire the mathematical knowledge and familiarize
yourself with existing algorithms (or just join GIMPS). And if you're
hell-bent on doing it in JavaScript, you will need to learn the basics
of the language first.


- stefan

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Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-17 01:40 -0800
  Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-17 02:20 -0800
  Re: Primality sieve challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-01-17 16:24 +0000
    Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-17 09:03 -0800
      Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-17 09:17 -0800
        Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0800
          Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-17 11:32 -0800
          Re: Primality sieve challenge Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 00:13 +0100
            Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-18 04:10 -0800
          Re: Primality sieve challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-01-18 01:20 +0000
            Re: Primality sieve challenge "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-01-18 12:16 +0100
              Re: Primality sieve challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-01-18 11:25 +0000
                Re: Primality sieve challenge "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-01-18 12:43 +0100
                Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-18 04:18 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-18 04:25 -0800
              Re: Primality sieve challenge Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-18 09:52 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-01-18 19:23 +0100
                Re: Primality sieve challenge "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2016-01-18 10:48 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-18 13:09 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 13:14 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-01-18 22:45 +0100
                Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-18 14:23 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-01-18 22:56 +0000
                Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-18 15:02 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-18 16:04 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 02:42 +0100
                Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-18 23:34 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-19 01:34 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2016-01-19 06:23 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-19 07:10 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-19 07:15 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-19 08:34 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-01-19 16:54 +0000
                Re: Primality sieve challenge "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2016-01-19 08:57 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-19 10:18 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-19 10:59 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 01:33 +0100
                Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-20 02:10 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-20 02:21 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-01-20 10:45 +0000
                Re: Primality sieve challenge "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2016-01-20 06:43 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 15:21 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 03:18 +0100
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2016-01-21 12:12 +0000
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-01-21 23:20 +0000
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 19:44 +0100
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-01-23 21:50 +0000
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 01:26 +0100
                Re: Primality sieve challenge "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2016-01-23 17:54 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@no-spam.ws> - 2016-01-24 13:34 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-01-25 00:21 +0000
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 03:08 +0100
                Re: Primality sieve challenge "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2016-01-24 19:35 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-25 03:53 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-01-18 19:32 +0000
        Re: Primality sieve challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-01-17 19:51 +0000
          Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-17 13:43 -0800
  Re: Primality sieve challenge "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2016-01-17 12:46 -0800
    Re: Primality sieve challenge Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-18 09:50 -0800
      Re: Primality sieve challenge Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-18 20:09 +0100
        Re: Primality sieve challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-01-18 19:28 +0000
          Re: Primality sieve challenge Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-18 21:37 +0100
            Re: Primality sieve challenge Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 13:12 -0800
              Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-18 13:46 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2016-01-18 14:00 -0800
              Re: Primality sieve challenge Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-19 13:47 +0100
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-01-19 14:04 +0000
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-19 19:59 +0100
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 10:55 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-19 20:04 +0100
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 13:42 -0800
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-21 17:21 +0100
                Re: Primality sieve challenge Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-03 19:52 +0100
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