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Re: Can somebody explain this to me

From "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de>
Newsgroups comp.lang.javascript
Subject Re: Can somebody explain this to me
Date 2015-01-31 00:37 +0100
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John Harris wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 18:26:56 +0100, "Christoph M. Becker"
> <cmbecker69@arcor.de> wrote:
> 
>> John Harris wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 14:10:00 +0100, "Christoph M. Becker"
>>> <cmbecker69@arcor.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> IMHO, the ECMAScript language is a prototypal language, which allows to
>>>> emulate class-based object models.
>>>
>>> As you've probably realised, my opinion differs. I think that using
>>> the word 'prototype' in ECMAScript was unfortunate as it's not being
>>> used with the common meaning.
>>>
>>> There are languages that use 'prototype' with the common meaning. In
>>> them you create a new object by copying an existing object which acts
>>> its prototype. ECMAScript is not like this (whatever Wikipedia says).
>>
>> Can you name such a language?
> 
> Self : <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_%28programming_language%29>

Indeed, the Wikipedia article about "Prototype-based programming"[1] is
somewhat misleading in that it suggests that Self links to prototype
objects, whereas the `copy` message makes a copy (i.e. clones the
prototype object).

However, the only conceptional difference I can see between "delegation"
and "concatenation" (to use the terms in the Wikipedia article), is that
the former allows to change behavior and state of an object after its
construction by changing its prototype, while the latter does not.  So
the former would be a conceptional superset of the latter, and therefore
would allow prototypal programming as well.

On the other hand, if one defines prototypal programming as the ability
to create new objects by cloning existing ones, ECMAScript also fits
well to this definition.

Anyhow, actually I understand (though not necessarily acknowledge) your
claim "that using the word 'prototype' in ECMAScript was unfortunate as
it's not being used with the common meaning", but we're living in a
world where words may change their meaning over time[2] -- and this
might be such a case.

[1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prototype-based_programming>
[2]
<http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/words-literally-changed-meaning-through-2173079>

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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  Re: Can somebody explain this to me Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-01-06 01:40 +0100
    Re: Can somebody explain this to me John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2015-01-06 16:01 +0000
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                Re: Can somebody explain this to me "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2015-01-22 13:27 +0100
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