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Re: A simpler DOM in JS

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On Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:57:48 UTC+1, Ken Tilton  wrote:
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 3:43:13 AM UTC-5, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > On Monday, 5 March 2018 17:14:27 UTC+1, Ken Tilton  wrote:
> > > On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 9:18:23 AM UTC-5, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > > Or use something like React, the accomplished apotheosis of the
> > > > layering fuck up...
> > > 
> > > Had to look up apotheosis, but OMG, yes.
> > 
> > You too are proposing the approach that I am (strongly) advising against:
> > so, either I am misunderstanding you, or you should look up "yes" as well.
> 
> I was agreeing that React, while well-meaning, introduced in effect a
> completely new language (the layering fuck).
> 
> You may be midunderstanding me. My goal is to deliver the benefits of React,
> and more, with a JS HTML API that works so much like HTML a strong graphic
> designer could handle it. I like to call it an un-framework.

No, it's you misunderstanding me: the "layering fuckup" has to do with the
*inversion* of layers and responsibilities, not with how the single layers
are realized.  IOW, it's a point of architecture and logic, not to mention
of allocation of team resources: you guys are reinventing the wheel and are
reinventing it wrong.

Beginners can't layer code and end up with e.g. client-side code generated
from the server, but just the same happens within the client now, between
structure, presentation and logic of pages: while HTML(5)+CSS+JS is already
the wanted solution.  And layering is of course everywhere in software and
not only, so the same problem occurs in many places.  React is a case in point
of a very clever though utterly wrong solution to a problem that does not even
exist.

Julio

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A simpler DOM in JS "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-02-03 14:24 -0800
  Re: A simpler DOM in JS Martin Honnen <martin.honnen@gmx.de> - 2018-02-04 14:26 +0100
    Re: A simpler DOM in JS Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-02-04 06:18 -0800
      Re: A simpler DOM in JS Ken Tilton <kentilton@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 08:14 -0800
        Re: A simpler DOM in JS Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-03-08 00:43 -0800
          Re: A simpler DOM in JS Ken Tilton <kentilton@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 05:57 -0800
            Re: A simpler DOM in JS Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-03-08 07:56 -0800
    Re: A simpler DOM in JS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-02-05 06:15 +0100
      Re: A simpler DOM in JS "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-02-04 23:15 -0800
    Re: A simpler DOM in JS "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-02-04 23:06 -0800
  Re: A simpler DOM in JS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-02-05 05:50 +0100
    Re: A simpler DOM in JS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-02-05 06:26 +0100
      Re: A simpler DOM in JS "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-02-04 23:33 -0800
        Re: A simpler DOM in JS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-02-05 11:19 +0100
          Re: A simpler DOM in JS Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-02-05 04:16 -0800
          Re: A simpler DOM in JS "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-02-05 10:23 -0800
            Re: A simpler DOM in JS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-02-05 19:42 +0100
              Re: A simpler DOM in JS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-02-08 01:46 +0100
              Re: A simpler DOM in JS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-02-08 01:47 +0100
                Re: A simpler DOM in JS "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-02-11 10:27 -0800
                Re: A simpler DOM in JS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-02-12 04:38 +0100
                Re: A simpler DOM in JS "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-02-15 12:19 -0800
                Re: A simpler DOM in JS Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-02-15 12:43 -0800
                Re: A simpler DOM in JS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-02-25 19:22 +0100
              Re: A simpler DOM in JS "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-02-07 12:51 -0800
                Re: A simpler DOM in JS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-02-08 02:27 +0100
                Re: A simpler DOM in JS John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-02-08 19:21 +0000
            Re: A simpler DOM in JS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-02-05 19:58 +0100
    Re: A simpler DOM in JS "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-02-04 23:30 -0800
      Re: A simpler DOM in JS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-02-05 19:11 +0100
        Re: A simpler DOM in JS "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-02-11 10:16 -0800
          Re: A simpler DOM in JS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-02-12 04:48 +0100
  Re: A simpler DOM in JS Ken Tilton <kentilton@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 08:07 -0800
    Re: A simpler DOM in JS "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-03-06 17:40 -0800
      Re: A simpler DOM in JS Ken Tilton <kentilton@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 12:09 -0800

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