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Re: jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties

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On Sep 19, 6:29 pm, "S.T." <a...@anon.com> wrote:
> On 9/19/2012 2:59 PM, David Mark wrote:
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> > On Sep 19, 5:26 pm, "S.T." <a...@anon.com> wrote:
> >>> $(el).prop('value') == el.value;
> >>> $(el).attr('value') != el.value;
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> >> The .val() method should be used for getting and setting value. Read the
> >> docs, man :)
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> >>> Unfortunately for everybody
> >>> that relies on jQuery for simplified DOM manipulation, they half-
> >>> reverted these changes (almost immediately) as soon as I reviewed them
> >>> here (literally the next day IIRC).
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> >> The notion that they reverted anything because of you is laughable. :)
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> > Sorry, no. Not only did they split "attr" and "prop" as a direct
> > result of both my near-constant and well-deserved criticism of "attr",
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> That's quite a leap of faith! Sadly, I doubt this is true :(

It's not a leap of faith; it's been quite well-documented (by me, Matt
Kruse, several other jQuery enthusiasts, as well as Resig himself).
All you have to do is follow my links and *read*.

And sadly, your doubts are not my concern.

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> > but Resig even copied my Attributes primer to their repository for
> > testing (but then you knew that). Not to mention that Resig
> > participated in a thread back in the fall of 2007 where the "attr"
> > problems were first outlined.
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> > I'm not revisiting that *again*; suffice to say that there were
> > numerous, long-winded discussions related to that thread (and "attr"
> > specifically) in the *jQuery group* for years to come. Matt Kruse
> > initiated a couple of them. Resig also copied (almost verbatim) the
> > "magic attributes flag" that I gave him in that thread. It was the
> > cornerstone for their "breakthrough" 1.3 version (which ostensibly
> > eliminated all browser sniffing). But then, you knew that too; so what
> > is all of your noise in aid of?
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> >http://www.cinsoft.net/host.html
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> > Furthermore, someone called "Timmy" (last name escapes me) wrote a
> > blog entry describing the split. I commented and told him exactly how
> > he screwed it up and that he would either have to fix it or revert the
> > whole mess. Clearly he chose the latter (the next day IIRC), after a
> > few juvenile insults were tossed around, and then proceeded to delete
> > all of my comments. :(
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> >https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_thread/th...
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> > You know you've won an argument when the other side tries to hide all
> > evidence that it ever took place. I suspect your comment is also along
> > these lines (i.e. trying to obscure the obvious facts). You simply
> > can't accept the fact that your chosen brand of browser scripts is so
> > heavily influenced by my work. Get over it and perhaps re-think your
> > whole view of the history behind these machinations.
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> Other than your insistence that this is true, there's nothing here that
> backs up your claims.

Except a seemingly endless "paper" trail. Again, *read* the
discussions, starting all the way back in 2007.

> They *did* revisit an ill-advised design decision
> of attempting to normalize attributes and properties into one function
> for ease of API.

Yes, four years later after numerous discussions that referenced my
articles criticizing this very design decision. Again, many of these
discussions took place in jQuery's own group. The fact that you refuse
to go back and look at them tells me you are just trying to obfuscate
the issue. Why is anyone's guess. My diagnosis is cognitive
dissonance. You might seek a professional opinion about that
though. ;)

> Your rants were the reason for that eventual decision?

Your characterization of my painfully detailed analyses of "attr" as
"rants" speaks volumes. Your brain just can't cope with reality (or
you simply don't understand the so-called rants at all).

> That seems very, very unlikely. :(

You seem very, very clueless about... well, everything. :(

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> If it's credit you're after, and you seem to be complaining about that
> more and more, you should produce something people find useful.]

I am not after anything here, except for correcting your BS
assertions. Virtually everybody on the planet (save for you) is aware
of my contributions to jQuery, Dojo and many other such efforts. You
just seem to live in your own little world. :)

> So they
> can credit you with it. You might have gotten some credit for helping in
> this case, but according to the thread you threatened legal action so
> they weren't able to use anything of yours that would have helped.

You just don't get it. They copied my material without my permission.
They certainly *read* at least some of it before they decided it was
worth trying to lift. And this was *long* after the fact anyway. As
mentioned, the first review in 2007 is what brought the issue to their
attention.

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> you didn't receive credit. Because you didn't actually help. That's how
> these things work. :(

Again, I don't think you understand how *anything* works. Your whole
online existence seems to revolve around trying to discredit me. Think
about that. ;)

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jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-09-18 22:57 -0700
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    Re: jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties "S.T." <anon@anon.com> - 2012-09-19 08:33 -0700
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        Re: jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-09-19 12:23 -0700
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  Re: jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-09-19 12:51 -0700
  Re: jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties "S.T." <anon@anon.com> - 2012-09-19 14:26 -0700
    Re: jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-09-19 14:59 -0700
      Re: jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-09-19 15:13 -0700
      Re: jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-09-19 15:28 -0700
      Re: jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties "S.T." <anon@anon.com> - 2012-09-19 15:30 -0700
        Re: jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-09-19 16:01 -0700
          Re: jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties "S.T." <anon@anon.com> - 2012-09-19 17:09 -0700
            Re: jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-09-19 17:23 -0700
            Re: jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-09-19 22:17 -0700
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                Re: jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-09-21 09:19 +0100
                Re: jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-09-21 06:29 -0700
                Re: jQuery still (very) confused about attributes and properties Adam Silver <adambsilver@gmail.com> - 2012-09-21 07:08 -0700
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