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Re: Refer object within itself

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Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> wrote on 08 Mar 2016 in 
comp.lang.javascript:

> Evertjan wrote:
>> Scott Sauyet wrote:
>> 
>>>> while my opinion is different.
>>> 
>>> Do you really believe it necessary to apologize for every opinion
>>> stated on USENET with "IMHO"?
>> 
>> You still don't get it.
>> 
>> My opinion always is imho, 
>> others like you foolishly pretend otherwize.
> 
> No, that's not what I believe.

You are entitled tou your believes,
I believe in sound reasoning based on evidence.

> I simply don't think it's necessary
> or even helpful to plop "IMHO" everywhere when a discussion that
> is all about opinions is underway.

Well, "necessary" and "everywhere", like your "no one" and "the best way". 
so absolute!

> Now, back to the original problem.  Does your solution -- IYHO, if
> you like -- meet the requirements as per the original post?  I've
> already argued that it does not "reference to the object itself within
> the object," and therefore is disqualified. 

and now "disqualified", 
all reasoning stops where one party uses such absolute references.

> This seems crystal-clear to me. 

"crystal-clear" is not an argument.

> Obviously you can choose to argue that the requirement is
> nonsense, but do you agree with my assessment? 

As I wrote, I think the "getter" method is a nice method,
but can give way terrible errors perhaps at runtime a half year later.

Therefore I suggested to develop a naming convention, clearly distinguishing 
between "standard" value-properties of objects and "getter"-properties.

[Something like as there is now between properties and methods, the latter 
needing () behind the name]

*** A "getter" seems a method disguised as a property. ***

Perhaps that disguise is my main concern and I did not declare that earlier,
because I did not visualize it yet. 

That is [imho, sorry, yes, anyway] the importance of discussion: shaping of 
views and adapting with opposing views. For me, discussion has its own joy, 
independent of the merits of the result. Read the Talmut for such 
discussions.

> Or do you think that
> it does meet the original requirements?

I think the OP did not know what troubles lay ahead for him,
when the "getter-method" was introduced in the answer.

Whether he wanted a "static" or a "dynamic" value is not clear to me,
perhaps we should have given both answers for him to choose.

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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  Re: Refer object within itself Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 04:51 -0800
    Re: Refer object within itself "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-02-26 14:15 +0100
  Re: Refer object within itself "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2016-02-26 16:43 +0100
    Re: Refer object within itself Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-26 19:25 +0100
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  Refer object within itself Ram Tobolski <ramtob@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 10:06 -0800
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      Re: Refer object within itself "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-02-28 23:23 +0100
        Re: Refer object within itself Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 00:11 +0100
        Re: Refer object within itself Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-02-29 14:49 -0300
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            Re: Refer object within itself Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-03-01 10:48 -0300
              Re: Refer object within itself "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-03-01 17:22 +0100
                Re: Refer object within itself Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-03-01 15:07 -0300
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                Re: Refer object within itself Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-03-04 21:53 -0300
                Re: Refer object within itself "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-03-05 14:22 +0100
                Re: Refer object within itself Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 10:17 -0800
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                Re: Refer object within itself Ram Tobolski <ramtob@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 10:48 -0800
                Re: Refer object within itself Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 19:07 -0800
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                Re: Refer object within itself Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-03-07 12:54 -0300
                Re: Refer object within itself "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-03-07 17:59 +0100
                Re: Refer object within itself Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 13:44 -0800
                Re: Refer object within itself "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-03-07 22:59 +0100
                Re: Refer object within itself Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 17:00 -0800
                Re: Refer object within itself "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-03-08 10:24 +0100
                Re: Refer object within itself Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 13:03 -0800

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