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Gene Wirchenko wrote on 03 jan 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:

> On 02 Jan 2012 23:31:26 GMT, "Evertjan."
> <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net> wrote:
> 
>>Gene Wirchenko wrote on 02 jan 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:
>>
>>> On 01 Jan 2012 13:11:34 GMT, "Evertjan."
>>> <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> [snip]
>>> 
>>>>Happy New Year, Gene,
>>> 
>>>      And you.
>>> 
>>>>Yes I am simply assuming it is obviously incorrect, based on the
>>>>total of the information you gave. [including slang wording.]
>>>>Requiring me to incalculate information that you did not give or
>>>>requiring me not to respond, because you possibly did not give such,
>>>>is incorrect. 
>>> 
>>>      If you are going to claim that something is obviously
>>>      incorrect, 
>>> I do not think that it is at all out of line for me to require that
>>> you actually know what you are talking about.  You admit that you
>>> did not know a term that I used, yet you still made your statement. 
>>
>>I am remarking on the information you provided, guessing for the slang
>>word you used. Do not use slang words in an international group. 
> 
>      You guess, and then call your conclusion obvious.  That is an
> error in logic.

No it is not. Interpreting what someone means from what he writes is 
always a guess. My guess about what you ment by that slang word was an 
educated guess, aided by context and your conclusion. and it proved to be 
a right guess.

Your interpretation of what I mean by "obvious" for instance is also a 
guess, and your dictionary does not prove, or is not proof of what I 
ment.

That is the difference between a computer language and human language,
in computer language, the definition is mostly also true in the 
aplication, and extensive testing on a platform will suffice. 

 
>>>  Do you really not see anything wrong with your behaviour?
>>
>>Do not presume upon being better qualified here if some local
>>variation of English is your prime or monoglot language.
> 
>      Immaterial.  You do not know what something meant, and you still
> claimed your conclusion was obvious.
> 
>>>>You seemed to assume the right to an answer on Usenet, 
>>>>and so declare anyone that does not anwer the way you want a troll.
>> 
>>>      No.
>> 
>>>>> USENET, as you may have heard, has trolls.
>>>>
>>>>"has"?
>>>>
>>>>A troll is not a troll just because you do not like a response.
>>> 
>>>      That is true.  It is also true that I can consider someone to
>>>      be 
>>> a troll, and that person actually is one.
>>
>>You can consider what you seem fit, 
>>but don't put that as a fact using "is".

I ment "has".
 
>      I do not, but I can use the verb in connection with qualifiers.

So you do not consider what you seem fit?
Yes, you can.

>>>>Shall we return to the beauty of programming [in javascript]?
>>
>>No answer here?
> 
>      I thought it was obvious.  Yes, of course.

Fine. programming is, sorry I mean should be, an art.
 
>>>>btw, what is your definition of this "snark" slang?
>>> 
>>>      To make a nasty remark about something, especially when it is
>>> uncalled for.
>>
>>Again the mistake that the response can be limited by the wishes of
>>the original posting. Nasty responses are to be avoided, independent
>>of whether called for or not. Nasty however in the eyes of the reader,
>>could be different from the pen of the writer.
> 
>      If it is called for, then it hardly need be avoided.

Subjective reasoning, my dear Watson.

>      People have also excused murders.  That someone else has a
> different point of view does not mean that I can not state mine.

Yes, but I contest your statement, as you did not ask if I agreed, 
but if I kwew about the existence of examples of facts [trolls and 
specific nasty responses].
 
>>Defining someone as a troll is nasty in itself, tendency for nastyness
>>is in all of us.
> 
>      No, it is not.  

Is there no tendency for nastyness in all of us?

> Calling something what it is or can be reasonably
> assumed to be is not nasty in and of itself.

"nasty of itself" meaning "nasty by itself"?

Again you state something very subjective as a fact,
"reasonably assumed" being just a surrogate of a fact,
and excusing yourself. That people do that, like excusing murders, 
does not defing that not to be nasty.

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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