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Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null?

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"Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> writes:

> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> wrote on 09 Aug 2017 in 
> comp.lang.javascript:
>
>> "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> writes:
>> 
>>> Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote on 09 Aug 2017 in 
>>> comp.lang.javascript:
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately people tend to be very imprecise as to the meaning of
>>>> the phrase "null string", and may variously mean either the actual
>>>> null value or an empty string.
>>>
>>> Indeed, 
>>> a string is NEVER null, 
>>> because then it is NOT a string.
>> 
>> Further complicated by the fact that there is a character called null
>> (sometimes Null, Nul or NULL) so a string can "be null" in that it
>> contains just that character.  It's not a clear way to speak about such
>> things but we're all guilty of using short-hands now and again.
>
> Not true.
>
> Whoever "speaks" in code anyway?

No one.  I said a "way to speak about such things".

> let myString = null;
>
> ...is not a character, not is it the number zero.

Of course not.  I was talking about a string with a single NULL
character in it (was the not clear?).  For example:

  let myString = "\u0000";

Note that all I am saying is that the presence of a character called
NULL (or null, etc.) complicates things even more, and leads some (bad,
very bad!) people to use incorrect language.

I get the feeling this is contentious because I've said it, rather than
there being any real disagreement.  People might, in an off-hand sort of
way say "here is is a question-mark: var s = '?';" and they might also
so say "here is a null: var s = '\0';".  Of course they are very, very
wrong to even think of saying that, but to suggest that they might is
not outrageous, much less to say that doing so would add to the
confusion already noted.

-- 
Ben.

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why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Xue Feng <xf.lotus@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-08 23:43 +0800
  Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2017-08-08 11:16 -0500
  Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2017-08-08 17:40 +0000
    Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-08-08 21:38 -0700
      Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-08-09 14:51 +0100
    Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2017-08-09 11:01 +0000
      Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-08-09 16:17 +0200
        Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-08-09 16:14 +0100
          Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-08-09 10:25 -0700
            Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-08-09 21:04 +0100
              Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-08-09 13:11 -0700
                Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-08-10 00:59 +0100
                [ANN] Spam filter for Google Groups (was: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null?) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-10 05:06 +0200
                Re: [ANN] Spam filter for Google Groups (was: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null?) Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-08-10 01:00 -0700
                Re: [ANN] Spam filter for Google Groups (was: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null?) John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2017-08-10 09:40 +0100
                Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-08-10 00:56 -0700
          Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-08-09 22:01 +0200
            Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-08-09 23:35 +0100
              Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-08-10 10:05 +0200
                Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-08-10 15:08 +0100
                Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-08-10 16:42 +0200
          Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-09 23:56 +0200
            Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-08-10 01:40 +0100
              Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-10 03:44 +0200
                Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-08-10 03:20 +0100
                Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-10 04:33 +0200
                Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-08-10 03:57 +0100
  Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-08 23:20 +0200
    Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-08-08 21:20 -0700
      Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 09:26 +0200
        Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-08-09 01:31 -0700
        Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-09 11:32 +0200
          Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 09:10 +0200
            Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-10 14:51 +0200
              Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-08-10 15:11 +0100
              Re: why the ! operator can be used to determine a string is null? Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 18:52 +0200

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