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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.javascript |
| Subject | Re: IE and IEE 754 |
| Date | 2014-08-29 12:39 +0100 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <87iolbjzin.fsf@bsb.me.uk> (permalink) |
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"Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> writes: > Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> wrote on 29 aug 2014 in > comp.lang.javascript: > >> "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> writes: >> >>> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> wrote on 28 aug 2014 in >>> comp.lang.javascript: >>>> You mean "yes, but..." surely? You did not say that that they cannot be >>>> *trusted* to be exact, you said that they can't ever be exact. >>> >>> Wow, are you still in kindergarten? >> >> I'd like to try to unravel this. I don't think I am wrong to say that >> 0.5 can be converted to a binary floating point value exactly, and I >> don't think you disagree on that point, but can you see that what you >> wrote: >> >> "... the binary converions of floting point fractional decimal values >> NEVER can be right" >> >> does seem to suggest otherwise? I even suggested that there was a >> communication problem: >> >> "What about 0.5 or 0.25? Why can't these ever be right? Did you mean >> that *all* decimal fractions can't be correctly converted? That's >> certainly the case. The way you worded it sounds like none of them >> can be." >> >> But that was not, it seems, what you wanted to say. >> >> When you rejected my examples of 0.5 and 0.25 you said the conversion >> could not be trusted to be exact (correct me, if I've misunderstood that >> as well). That sounded exactly like a "yes they can be exact, but they >> can't be trusted to be exact". > > "Fixed point decimal <input> strings" can incidentally be exact, like > '27.00', but the whole idea is the you as a programmer, when allowing for > fractional input strings[!], don't know beforehand what number will be > inputted, and an incidental input of '0.50' cannot be taken as exact, > because you would have to make an array of exact decimal values, and still > have the rest of the possibilities delt with as non-exact. > > Therefore your example of 0.5 is childish, as it does not seriously address > the problem of binary conversion in programmes. But it's unfair of you to make that accusation when I never intended it to be anything other than a counter example to what looked like a simple statement of fact. I'm sorry you thought I was offering an example that addressed the general problem of decimal to binary floating point conversion, but I can't see how you could think I was, especially as I explicitly suggested that maybe your remark had come over as being more general than you had intended. <snip> -- Ben.
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IE and IEE 754 RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2014-08-27 22:44 +1000
Re: IE and IEEE 754 John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2014-08-27 15:23 +0100
IE and IEEE 754 (was: IE and IEE 754) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-08-27 20:59 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-27 22:04 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-08-27 22:35 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-28 00:07 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-08-28 00:47 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-08-28 10:13 -0700
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-08-28 22:15 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-28 23:24 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-08-29 01:16 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-29 09:32 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-08-27 23:59 +0100
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-08-28 02:55 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-28 09:50 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-08-28 12:21 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-28 13:42 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-08-28 11:27 +0100
Re: IE and IEE 754 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-08-28 10:16 -0700
Re: IE and IEE 754 Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-08-29 00:04 +0100
Re: IE and IEE 754 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-08-29 11:15 -0700
IEEE 754 (was: IE and IEE 754) "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-08-29 21:30 +0200
Re: IEEE 754 (was: IE and IEE 754) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-09-02 11:22 -0700
Re: IE and IEE 754 Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-08-29 20:42 +0100
IEEE 754 (was: IE and IEE 754) "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-08-29 23:29 +0200
Re: IEEE 754 Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-08-29 23:27 +0100
Re: IE and IEE 754 Dr J R Stockton <reply1400@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2014-08-30 20:32 +0100
Re: IE and IEE 754 Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-08-31 01:04 +0100
IE and IEEE 754 Dr J R Stockton <reply1400@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2014-09-01 23:05 +0100
Re: IE and IEE 754 Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-08-28 00:05 +0100
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-28 08:56 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-28 09:51 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-08-28 11:16 +0100
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-28 13:34 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-08-28 23:41 +0100
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-29 09:09 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-08-29 12:39 +0100
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-29 16:55 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-08-29 18:28 +0100
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-30 00:37 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-08-29 23:53 +0100
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-30 01:08 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-08-30 00:40 +0100
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-30 09:32 +0200
Re: IE and IEE 754 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-08-29 11:22 -0700
Re: IE and IEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-30 00:14 +0200
IE and IEEE 754 (was: IE and IEE 754) "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-08-27 22:08 +0200
Re: IE and IEEE 754 RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2014-08-28 22:50 +1000
Re: IE and IEEE 754 RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2014-08-28 22:55 +1000
Re: IE and IEEE 754 (was: IE and IEE 754) Dr J R Stockton <reply1400@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2014-08-28 21:50 +0100
Re: IE and IEEE 754 (was: IE and IEE 754) "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-29 09:43 +0200
Re: IE and IEEE 754 (was: IE and IEE 754) Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-08-29 08:42 +0000
Re: IE and IEEE 754 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-08-30 16:24 +0200
Re: IE and IEEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-30 17:08 +0200
Re: IE and IEEE 754 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-08-30 18:12 +0200
Re: IE and IEEE 754 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-08-30 18:32 +0200
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