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Re: Random numbers

From Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups comp.lang.javascript
Subject Re: Random numbers
Date 2017-10-19 22:21 +0100
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <877evqrfyw.fsf@bsb.me.uk> (permalink)
References <osa2ld$6t0$1@gioia.aioe.org> <random-20171019201110@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <RNG-20171019204418@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>

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ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:

> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>>PS: I do not like this sentence from ECMA-Script:
>>"Each Math.random function created for distinct realms
>>must produce a distinct sequence of values from
>>successive calls."
>
>   My suggestion:
>
>   For every pair of Math.random functions created for distinct
>   realms, the probability to produce the same sequence of n
>   bits from successive calls must not be significantly larger
>   than 1/(2**n).

Neither really nails it.  Both are satisfied by generating just one
sequence, r1, r2, ... but prefixed with a counter: 0, r1, r2, ... then
1, r1, r2, ... and so on.

It's hard to capture how "random" something that is usually entirely
deterministic should be.  I think the best bet is to stick with the
obvious intent behind the original wording.

-- 
Ben.

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Random numbers emf <emfril@gmail.com> - 2017-10-19 07:35 -0400
  Re: Random numbers Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-10-19 05:03 -0700
  Re: Random numbers Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-10-19 21:06 +0200
    Re: Random numbers "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2017-10-19 12:10 -0700
      Re: Random numbers Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-10-19 22:04 +0200
        Re: Random numbers "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2017-10-19 13:41 -0700
          Measuring time (was: Random numbers) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-10-19 22:58 +0200
            Re: Measuring time (was: Random numbers) Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2017-10-24 13:05 -0700
              Re: Measuring time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-10-25 00:59 +0200
                Re: Measuring time Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2017-10-25 13:36 -0700
                Re: Measuring time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-10-26 19:21 +0200
              Re: Measuring time (was: Random numbers) Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> - 2017-10-26 10:45 +0200
                Re: Measuring time (was: Random numbers) "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2017-10-26 12:27 +0200
                Re: Measuring time (was: Random numbers) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-10-26 19:04 +0200
                Re: Measuring time (was: Random numbers) Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georg@michna.com> - 2017-10-28 11:05 +0200
                Re: Measuring time (was: Random numbers) Dr J R Stockton <J.R.Stockton@physics.org> - 2017-10-29 03:03 -0700
                Re: Measuring time (was: Random numbers) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-10-29 17:56 +0100
                Re: Measuring time (was: Random numbers) dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2017-10-29 15:12 -0700
                Re: Measuring time Sam E <why.should.this@be.email.invalid> - 2017-10-29 17:35 -0500
                Re: Measuring time (was: Random numbers) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-10-30 13:00 +0100
                Re: Measuring time (was: Random numbers) Tim Slattery <tim@risingdove.com> - 2017-10-26 14:13 -0400
  Re: Random numbers Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-10-19 22:21 +0100
    Re: Random numbers Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-10-19 22:25 -0700
      Re: Random numbers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2017-10-20 21:52 -0700
        Re: Random numbers Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-10-20 22:40 -0700
          Re: Random numbers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2017-10-21 12:40 -0700
            Re: Random numbers Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-10-21 12:57 -0700
              Re: Random numbers Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-10-21 12:59 -0700
                Re: Random numbers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2017-10-22 16:37 -0700
                Re: Random numbers Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-10-22 17:23 -0700
  Re: Random numbers emf <emfril@gmail.com> - 2017-10-20 20:32 -0400
    Re: Random numbers "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2017-10-21 09:47 -0700
      Re: Random numbers emf <emfril@gmail.com> - 2017-10-22 14:55 -0400
        Re: Random numbers emf <emfril@gmail.com> - 2017-10-27 22:23 -0400
          Re: Random numbers Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-10-28 18:54 +0200

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