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Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty

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Gene Wirchenko wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:46:44 +0100, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

Attribution _line_, not attribution novel.  Will you ever learn?

>> Scott Sauyet wrote:
>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> Keep in mind that the built-in implementation of an algorithm is
>>>> naturally always the most efficient one to use as it is, at best,
>>>> provided in machine code already.
>>> Proof by statement.
>> I have already explained why.  It is not my problem if you are not paying
>> attention and can only come up with apples vs. oranges.
> 
>      Sorry, but your reasoning is invalid.

No, it is not.

>      It is quite possible for an implementation to be inefficient.

Yes; nobody debated that.  But AISB that reasoning presupposes that the 
developers of script engines do not know what they are doing.  Since WLOG 
you do _not_ know what script engine your code will be exposed to, it is not 
logical to write your code based on either assumption, and *that* reasoning 
is "invalid" instead.

In addition, AISB, comparing implementations of different algorithms is 
comparing apples and oranges; it is a fallacious argumentation.  For 
example, you can use lodash’s _map() instead of Array.prototype.map() and 
the former can be more efficient than the latter for the cases that _map() 
supports (at least with regard to execution speed), but you need to be aware 
that the former is both deficient regarding standards compliance (it does 
not perform all the steps of the specification algorithm) and does more than 
the standard implementation does at the same time (it does steps that the 
specification algorithm does not contain), so in general the former *cannot* 
be used as a stand-in for the latter.
 
>      I would require good reason to not use the built-in
> implementation rather than coming up with my own, but if the built-in
> implementation were that bad, it might be worth it.

You cannot not know what you cannot know, and using conditionals in order to 
to tell script engines apart so that you could *perhaps* know that your 
script is executed by a less efficient implementation regarding a certain 
use-case (my research – see sig; and yes, I know that it is not up-to-date 
*yet* – shows that with the exception of JScript you can only *infer* the 
script engine version, and that knowledge will always be out of date at the 
time the code is run) is only going to make your script *less* efficient 
*for execution under all script engines* because you have to run those tests 
precisely when your code is executed.

BTW, it is an oft-neglected fact, which can be seen in this discussion prior 
to this posting, that the term efficiency in computer science is not limited 
to execution speed but also has as memory-usage component.  There is runtime 
efficiency *and* memory efficiency.

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Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Bunyip <bunyip@koalanet.com.au> - 2016-01-20 13:28 +1000
  Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2016-01-20 12:30 +0700
    Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Bunyip <bunyip@koalanet.com.au> - 2016-01-20 17:55 +1000
      Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2016-01-20 19:29 +0700
        Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-01-20 13:46 +0100
  Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 08:23 +0000
    Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-20 15:52 +0100
      Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 15:43 +0000
        Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-20 17:15 +0100
          Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2016-01-20 17:53 +0000
            Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-20 20:39 +0100
              Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2016-01-20 22:46 +0000
          Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 07:53 +0000
            Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-21 10:52 +0100
              Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 10:26 +0000
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-22 00:07 +0100
  Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:28 +0100
    Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Bunyip <bunyip@koalanet.com.au> - 2016-01-21 08:05 +1000
      Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-21 00:59 +0100
        Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 03:17 +0100
          Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-21 08:54 +0100
            Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 12:17 +0100
        Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-01-21 14:16 +0000
        Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:52 -0800
          Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-22 09:48 +0100
            Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 10:45 -0800
              Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-23 19:41 +0100
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 17:51 -0800
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-25 19:46 +0100
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 11:09 -0800
        Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-01-23 22:22 +0000
        Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 11:06 -0800
          Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-28 14:46 +0100
            Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-28 10:30 -0800
              Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-28 20:06 +0100
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 23:32 -0800
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2016-01-29 09:05 +0100
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 06:02 -0800
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-29 20:54 +0100
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-01-29 10:36 +0000
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-09 04:39 +0100
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-02-09 18:07 +0000
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-29 09:32 -0800
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-29 20:34 +0100
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-01-29 16:50 -0300
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 03:31 +0100
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-30 04:19 +0100
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 05:01 +0100
              Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-01-28 16:39 -0300
            Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 06:04 -0800
              Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-29 20:54 +0100
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 14:55 -0800
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-30 04:55 +0100
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 15:48 -0800
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-31 21:02 +0100
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 13:08 -0800
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-01 12:28 +1100
                Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 17:58 -0800
  Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2016-01-20 06:25 -0800
  Re: Give alert if form checkbox array is empty Aleksandro <aleksandro@gmx.com> - 2016-01-20 12:54 -0300

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