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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
| Reply-To | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <cljs@PointedEars.de> |
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| Subject | Re: first-class functions? |
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Ben Bacarisse wrote: > ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes: >> I start with the following code in a web page: >> >> document.writeln( 4 ); >> >> . It prints »4«. Ok. Next, I enclose the function expression >> in parentheses: >> >> ( document.writeln )( 4 ); >> >> Still prints »4«. Fine. But now, I try to get closer to what >> I actually wanted to write: >> >> ( true ? document.writeln : document.writeln )( 4 ); >> >> And this gives an error message here! Where are my >> first-class "functions as values", when I need them? > > document.writeln is a function but, being a method, it will refer to > properties in the document object (it does so using "this" of course). “Of course”? No. It is a method of a host object. All bets are off. > A simpler example: > > var wl = document.writeln; This could already be an error, referring to a host objects method not in a CallExpression. BTST. The host object referred to by “document” does not have to implement [[Get]] in the way of native objects. [1] > wl(4); // This is an error -- to what does 'this' refer in wl? We cannot know that, if there is such a value, and if it would be relevant. (Assuming native object-like behavior, “this” would either refer to the global object, or in strict mode would be the “undefined” value.) > You can get your first-class function back by binding the member > function to the object: > > var wl = document.writeln.bind(document); > wl(4); Unreliable at best: a host object’s method does not have to refer to a Function instance, it does not even have to have Function.prototype in its prototype chain which provides .bind() [2]. It just needs to be callable, i.e. implement [[Call]] (not: .call()) in a useful way. [3, 4] Certainly incompatible as Function.prototype.bind() was not introduced before ECMAScript Edition 5. [5] > Something similar will fix your conditional expression, too. You simply cannot know that. _________ [1] <http://ecma-international.org/ecma-262/5.1/#sec-8.6.2> [2] <http://ecma-international.org/ecma-262/5.1/#sec-15.3.4.5> [3] <http://ecma-international.org/ecma-262/5.1/#sec-11.2.3> [4] <http://ecma-international.org/ecma-262/5.1/#sec-15.3.4.4> [5] <http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST-ARCH/ECMA-262,%203rd%20edition,%20December%201999.pdf> -- PointedEars FAQ: <http://PointedEars.de/faq> | SVN: <http://PointedEars.de/wsvn/> Twitter: @PointedEars2 | ES Matrix: <http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix> Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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Re: first-class functions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-03-12 03:07 +0000 Re: first-class functions? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-03-12 11:06 +0100
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