Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter

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From	Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
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Ben Bacarisse wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> writes:
>> Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> writes:
>>>> The algorithm differs in that properties of the object referred to by
>>>> “not_prime” (formerly: “comp”) are removed as they are no longer
>>>> needed. This *might* decrease the memory footprint (thus increase the
>>>> memory- efficiency), but it adds another step (thus decreases the
>>>> runtime- efficiency).
>>> You say above that this code is an optimised version of mine, but then
>>> you say it *might* decrease memory footprint,
>> I said the *deletion* might decrease the memory footprint.
> 
> Yes, I understood that.  My point is that you cite it as a potential
> benefit.

If a program uses less memory than another while doing the same thing or 
even more than the latter, that is a benefit.

>>> but that all the deleting decreases the runtime-efficiency.  In what
>>> sense has it been optimised?
>>
>> - it can store primes up to 2⁵³−1 (an Array instance can only hold 2³²−1
>>   elements)
>> - reduced memory usage (Object instead of Array)
>> - potentially faster (no extra Array.prototype.push() calls)
>> - post-increment replaced with pre-increment (maybe faster)
> 
> But it could also be slower and use exactly the same amount of memory.
> In fact that is the case in both engines I tested.  As posted, your
> "optimised" version did not finish in two minutes when run under nodejs,
> and was about 4 to 5 times slower than mine in rhino.  That does not
> match what I think of as optimised code.

If you think of optimization only in terms of runtime-efficiency, you are 
correct.

>>> On two test engines (rhino and nodejs) the deleting has a huge impact on
>>> the run time (a factor of four in rhino and way more in nodejs -- so
>>> much so I killed it before getting a time).
>>
>> Thanks.
> 
> For testing, or showing that deleting elements is slow?

Both.

Please trim your quotes to the relevant parts.

-- 
PointedEars

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Strawmans prime sieve/filter jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-09-08 19:09 -0700
  Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-09 05:57 +0200
    Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-09-08 21:22 -0700
    Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-09-08 21:50 -0700
      Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-09 13:45 +0200
        Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-09-09 06:33 -0700
        Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-09-09 06:41 -0700
          Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-09 18:37 +0200
          Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-09 19:54 +0200
            Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-09-09 12:46 -0700
              Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-09 23:25 +0200
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-09-09 14:58 -0700
        Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-11 10:39 +0200
          Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-09-11 02:54 -0700
          Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-11 12:59 +0200
          Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-12 20:17 +0100
            Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-13 02:27 +0200
              Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-13 04:03 +0200
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-09-12 19:30 -0700
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-13 05:15 +0200
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-09-13 05:27 +0200
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-09-13 08:26 -0700
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-09-13 08:15 -0700
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-13 19:13 +0200
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-09-13 17:15 -0700
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-09-14 01:55 +0100
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-14 04:20 +0200
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-09-14 06:16 +0100
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-14 12:10 +0200
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-09-14 12:49 +0100
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-14 15:23 +0200
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-09-14 21:51 +0100
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-15 03:32 +0200
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-09-15 04:07 +0100
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-15 18:57 +0200
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-09-15 19:24 +0100
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-09-14 20:37 -0700
                Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-14 19:38 +0100
    Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-09-08 22:26 -0700
      Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-09-10 22:48 +0100
        Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-09-11 00:36 -0700
          Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-09-11 14:47 +0100
    Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-09-08 22:33 -0700
      Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter "Chris M. Thomasson" <no@spam.invalid> - 2013-09-09 21:08 -0700
        Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter "Chris M. Thomasson" <no@spam.invalid> - 2013-09-10 08:52 -0700
  Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-09-10 19:08 +0100
  Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter "Chris M. Thomasson" <no@spam.invalid> - 2014-04-10 22:02 -0700
    Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter "Chris M. Thomasson" <no@spam.invalid> - 2014-05-02 15:39 -0700
      Re: Strawmans prime sieve/filter "Chris M. Thomasson" <no@spam.invalid> - 2014-05-02 15:54 -0700

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