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Kiss your Applet good-bye

Started byEric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid>
First post2016-08-24 08:37 -0400
Last post2017-10-04 08:09 +0000
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  Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-08-24 08:37 -0400
    How about 2K and 4K Displays? (Was: Kiss your Applet good-bye) j4n bur53 <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2016-08-24 16:38 +0200
      Re: How about 2K and 4K Displays? (Was: Kiss your Applet good-bye) j4n bur53 <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2016-08-24 16:44 +0200
      Re: How about 2K and 4K Displays? (Was: Kiss your Applet good-bye) Roedy Green <inquiry@mindprod.com> - 2016-09-14 15:08 -0700
    Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2016-08-24 16:57 +0000
      Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:08 -0700
      Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-08-24 20:10 -0400
    Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-08-24 20:06 -0400
      Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 04:42 -0700
    Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Roedy Green <inquiry@mindprod.com> - 2016-09-04 23:12 -0700
      Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-09-05 09:02 -0400
        Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-09-05 21:31 +0000
          Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-09-05 18:18 -0400
            Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Roedy Green <inquiry@mindprod.com> - 2016-09-06 12:08 -0700
              Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 13:17 -0700
                Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-09-06 19:27 -0400
              Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-09-06 19:24 -0400
            Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-09-06 19:58 +0000
              Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 13:08 -0700
              Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 13:55 -0700
                Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-09-06 22:28 +0000
    Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 12:44 -0700
      Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-10-14 15:52 -0400
        Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 13:07 -0700
      Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Tim Slattery <tim@risingdove.com> - 2016-10-15 15:08 -0400
        Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-10-03 13:54 -0700
          Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2017-10-04 07:25 +0800
            Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-10-04 08:09 +0000

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#35553

FromMartin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Date2016-09-06 22:28 +0000
Message-ID<nqnfuu$9lv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35552
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 13:55:35 -0700, Eric Douglas wrote:

> On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 3:58:48 PM UTC-4, Martin Gregorie
> wrote:
>> For instance, the new Vivaldi browser, written by the original Opera
>> developers, is potentially very good and quite a bit faster than
>> Firefox,
>> but in practise is almost unusable because you can only view files with
>> the builtin tools. Its PDF viewer is woeful: doesn't provide any way to
>> skip to a given page and is incapable of dealing with very long PDFs
>> such as the NASA Columbia or the Dutch MH17 crash reports, respectively
>> 248 and 279 pages. In both cases it stalls when asked to load these
>> PDFs. OTOH, other browsers, e.d Firefox or Pale Moon, don't have a
>> built-in PDF viewer but DO let you choose to use evince, xpdf or to
>> nominate another application.
> 
> I found your Dutch crash report, again no problem displaying in Chrome.
> https://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/phase-docs/1006/
debcd724fe7breport-mh17-crash.pdf

Vivaldi claims to be using the Chrome PDF viewer as a plugin, but as I 
said, it only works for smaller files, so make of that what you will. 

In addition, and unlike xpdf, it neither shows the current page number 
nor allows it to be entered as a short cut to that page. Nor does it 
appear to display a section/chapter index, if one is part of the PDF, as 
a sidebar. Both are necessary if you're trying to read a big PDF in 
multiple sessions or using it as a reference.


-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#35756

FromEric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-14 12:44 -0700
Message-ID<94aa9cab-c463-4171-81ac-219789ca14e4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#35433
On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 8:37:20 AM UTC-4, Eric Sosman wrote:
> It looks like even Oracle has given up on Java in the browser:
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/24/oracle_reveals_java_applet_api_deprecation_plan/
> 

Sadly applets aren't dead yet.
We spent a few hours this week getting the applets to work for our users.
FedEx print shipping labels runs an applet.
GSA vendor portal runs ActiveX in an applet.
These currently still work with the Java plugin in IE, or in Firefox with the IE Tab plugin.
GSA also requires you to disable TLS 1.1 and 1.2 in both the browser settings and the Java Control Panel.

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#35757

FromEric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid>
Date2016-10-14 15:52 -0400
Message-ID<ntrd1m$m9q$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35756
On 10/14/2016 3:44 PM, Eric Douglas wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 8:37:20 AM UTC-4, Eric Sosman wrote:
>> It looks like even Oracle has given up on Java in the browser:
>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/24/oracle_reveals_java_applet_api_deprecation_plan/
>>
>
> Sadly applets aren't dead yet.
> We spent a few hours this week getting the applets to work for our users.
> FedEx print shipping labels runs an applet.
> GSA vendor portal runs ActiveX in an applet.
> These currently still work with the Java plugin in IE, or in Firefox with the IE Tab plugin.
> GSA also requires you to disable TLS 1.1 and 1.2 in both the browser settings and the Java Control Panel.

     Lest too much premature wailing ensue: The cited article says
Oracle intends that Java *9* will *deprecate* applets, which means
they'll still be supported for some considerable time to come.  In
fact, Oracle does not intend to deprecate with "forRemoval=true",
meaning Java *10* will still support (but discourage) applets and
that they won't entirely disappear until at least Java *11*.

     So: Kiss your Applet good-bye, yes, but make it a lingering kiss.

-- 
esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid
"Everybody must get stoned."  Looks like the Swedish Academy was.

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#35758

FromEric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-14 13:07 -0700
Message-ID<fd536321-ee1f-4b37-afc1-8fd80f8804e9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#35757
On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 3:53:03 PM UTC-4, Eric Sosman wrote:
> On 10/14/2016 3:44 PM, Eric Douglas wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 8:37:20 AM UTC-4, Eric Sosman wrote:
> >> It looks like even Oracle has given up on Java in the browser:
> >>
> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/24/oracle_reveals_java_applet_api_deprecation_plan/
> >>
> >
> > Sadly applets aren't dead yet.
> > We spent a few hours this week getting the applets to work for our users.
> > FedEx print shipping labels runs an applet.
> > GSA vendor portal runs ActiveX in an applet.
> > These currently still work with the Java plugin in IE, or in Firefox with the IE Tab plugin.
> > GSA also requires you to disable TLS 1.1 and 1.2 in both the browser settings and the Java Control Panel.
> 
>      Lest too much premature wailing ensue: The cited article says
> Oracle intends that Java *9* will *deprecate* applets, which means
> they'll still be supported for some considerable time to come.  In
> fact, Oracle does not intend to deprecate with "forRemoval=true",
> meaning Java *10* will still support (but discourage) applets and
> that they won't entirely disappear until at least Java *11*.
> 
>      So: Kiss your Applet good-bye, yes, but make it a lingering kiss.

I noticed that part, but they are still a pain to support.

The FedEx print labels stops working at least half the time we push a new version of Java.  No error message, it just doesn't print, and horrible support that tells us nothing except try reinstalling Java.

The GSA login, disabling the TLS and using ActiveX that looks like it was designed in 1995?

Chrome and apparently Safari have killed applets.
I believe they also won't run in Edge, which is why MS still includes IE in Windows 10.  Even MS doesn't want anyone using ActiveX anymore.

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#35772

FromTim Slattery <tim@risingdove.com>
Date2016-10-15 15:08 -0400
Message-ID<tjv40c1jmle6bnbvhbnkcg3ng077r99pbl@4ax.com>
In reply to#35756
Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 8:37:20 AM UTC-4, Eric Sosman wrote:
>> It looks like even Oracle has given up on Java in the browser:
>> 
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/24/oracle_reveals_java_applet_api_deprecation_plan/
>> 
>
>Sadly applets aren't dead yet.
>We spent a few hours this week getting the applets to work for our users.
>FedEx print shipping labels runs an applet.
>GSA vendor portal runs ActiveX in an applet.
>These currently still work with the Java plugin in IE, or in Firefox with the IE Tab plugin.
>GSA also requires you to disable TLS 1.1 and 1.2 in both the browser settings and the Java Control Panel.

Several online crossword puzzles are available as Java applets,
notably the syndicated New York Times puzzle and the Newsday puzzle.

-- 
Tim Slattery
tim <at> risingdove <dot> com

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#37543

FromEric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com>
Date2017-10-03 13:54 -0700
Message-ID<8bb270f5-864f-4735-977e-50c78855102f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#35772
On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 3:08:46 PM UTC-4, Tim Slattery wrote:
> 
> Several online crossword puzzles are available as Java applets,
> notably the syndicated New York Times puzzle and the Newsday puzzle.
> 
> -- 
> Tim Slattery
> tim <at> risingdove <dot> com

JDK 9 is officially here, Applet is officially deprecated.  Anyone still using them will have to change soon.

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#37548

FromRichard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com>
Date2017-10-04 07:25 +0800
Message-ID<or168s$1u1n$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#37543
On 04-Oct-17 4:54 AM, Eric Douglas wrote:
> On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 3:08:46 PM UTC-4, Tim Slattery wrote:
>>
>> Several online crossword puzzles are available as Java applets,
>> notably the syndicated New York Times puzzle and the Newsday puzzle.
>>
>> -- 
>> Tim Slattery
>> tim <at> risingdove <dot> com
> 
> JDK 9 is officially here, Applet is officially deprecated.  Anyone still using them will have to change soon.
> 

They could've ruled the world :-(

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#37552

FromAndreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at>
Date2017-10-04 08:09 +0000
Message-ID<slrnot95pi.t1a.avl@logic.at>
In reply to#37548
Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 04-Oct-17 4:54 AM, Eric Douglas wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 3:08:46 PM UTC-4, Tim Slattery wrote:
>>> Several online crossword puzzles are available as Java applets,
>>> notably the syndicated New York Times puzzle and the Newsday puzzle.
>> JDK 9 is officially here, Applet is officially deprecated.
>> Anyone still using them will have to change soon.
> They could've ruled the world :-(

Do you speak of the Applets, or of creators of malicious applets? ;-)

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