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  JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Chris Riesbeck <Chris.Riesbeck@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 13:10 -0600
    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 14:15 -0500
      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-09 08:30 +0800
        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:37 -0500
          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-09 11:09 +0800
          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 05:19 -0800
            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 00:02 +0100
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 19:28 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 03:12 +0100
                  Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 21:28 -0500
                    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-10 21:41 +0800
                      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 21:09 -0500
                        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-11 10:46 +0800
                          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 22:39 -0500
            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 19:23 -0500
        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Ricardo Palomares Martinez <rpm.NOADS@proyectonave.es> - 2018-03-10 19:20 +0100
          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-11 10:49 +0800
            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-12 15:36 -0700
    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 11:49 -0800
      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 15:00 -0500
        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 12:32 -0800
          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 16:51 -0500
            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-09 00:57 +0100
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:20 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:23 -0500
                  Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:28 -0500
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-09 08:44 +0000
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 00:03 +0100
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 19:20 -0500
                  Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 03:07 +0100
                    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 21:32 -0500
                    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-10 09:50 +0100
                      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 16:39 +0100
                        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 21:06 -0500
                          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 06:50 -0700
                            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-12 23:41 +0800
                              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 09:10 -0700
                                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-13 07:33 +0800
                                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:15 -0400
                                  Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 05:46 -0700
                                    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 09:55 -0400
                                  Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 06:42 -0700
                                    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 09:50 -0400
                                      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 06:57 -0700
                                        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 10:08 -0400
                                          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 07:58 -0700
                                            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-15 12:23 -0400
                                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-13 02:28 +0100
                                  Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-13 11:39 +0000
                                    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 07:54 -0400
                                      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-13 12:45 +0000
                                    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 05:42 -0700
                                      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-13 23:27 +0100
                                        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-14 08:35 +0800
                                          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 05:03 -0700
                                        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 05:08 -0700
                                          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-15 11:50 +0100
                                            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 05:47 -0700
                                          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-15 12:28 +0000
                                        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 12:08 -0700
                          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-13 00:58 +0100
                            Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:02 -0400
                      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 21:03 -0500
                        Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 05:45 -0700
                          Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:07 -0400
              Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Uniqua Lykerd <uniqualykerd@protonmail.com> - 2018-03-29 21:22 -0400
                Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-30 04:37 +0200
    Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Gianluca Bonetti <gianluca.bonetti@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 09:59 -0700
      Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:17 -0400

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#38117 — JavaFX disappearing in Java 11

https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html

While I won't miss JavaFX per se, just this morning I changed some code 
to use java.util.javafx.Pair.

I can still use java.util.AbstractMap.SimpleImmutableEntry, or roll my 
own, but, jeepers, my timing was off.

And yes, I've read this great thread on whether a Pair is good idea:

http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2010-March/thread.html#3973

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#38118

On 3/8/2018 2:10 PM, Chris Riesbeck wrote:
> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html 

Interesting.

Note though that JavaFX is/was not part of Java - it is/was part of 
Oracle Java. Subtle difference.

I hope that JavaFX will stay around.

Arne

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#38127

On 09-Mar-18 3:15 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 3/8/2018 2:10 PM, Chris Riesbeck wrote:
>> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html 
> 
> 
> Interesting.
> 
> Note though that JavaFX is/was not part of Java - it is/was part of 
> Oracle Java. Subtle difference.
> 
> I hope that JavaFX will stay around.

You're dreamin'

The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile.

As with .NET C#, Java is consigned to server based mvC (capitalization 
deliberate) serving up RESTful JSON APIs.

> 
> Arne
> 

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#38128

On 3/8/2018 7:30 PM, Richard Maher wrote:
> On 09-Mar-18 3:15 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 3/8/2018 2:10 PM, Chris Riesbeck wrote:
>>> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html 
> >
>> Interesting.
>>
>> Note though that JavaFX is/was not part of Java - it is/was part of 
>> Oracle Java. Subtle difference.
>>
>> I hope that JavaFX will stay around.
> 
> You're dreamin'
> 
> The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile.
> 
> As with .NET C#, Java is consigned to server based mvC (capitalization 
> deliberate) serving up RESTful JSON APIs.

That is the most common model on desktop.

(phones and tablets are slightly different)

I am not dreaming that Java is going to get a comeback
on the desktop.

But one size does not fit all.

Most common != all.

For those that for whatever reasons want a desktop application
and want to write it in Java, then JavaFX is better than Swing
and AWT.

Arne

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#38129

On 09-Mar-18 8:37 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 3/8/2018 7:30 PM, Richard Maher wrote:
>> On 09-Mar-18 3:15 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 3/8/2018 2:10 PM, Chris Riesbeck wrote:
>>>> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html 
>>
>> >
>>> Interesting.
>>>
>>> Note though that JavaFX is/was not part of Java - it is/was part of 
>>> Oracle Java. Subtle difference.
>>>
>>> I hope that JavaFX will stay around.
>>
>> You're dreamin'
>>
>> The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile.
>>
>> As with .NET C#, Java is consigned to server based mvC (capitalization 
>> deliberate) serving up RESTful JSON APIs.
> 
> That is the most common model on desktop.
> 
> (phones and tablets are slightly different)

Legacy phone and tablet Apps have traditionally been slightly different.

> 
> I am not dreaming that Java is going to get a comeback
> on the desktop.

Java *is* the new COBOL.

> 
> But one size does not fit all.
> 
> Most common != all.
> 
> For those that for whatever reasons want a desktop application
> and want to write it in Java, then JavaFX is better than Swing
> and AWT.

Sure, Java will always have a part to pay in mainstream Slot-machines, 
ticketing machines, and other esoteric niches.

> 
> Arne
> 

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#38131

On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 7:37:15 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> > The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile.
> > 
> > As with .NET C#, Java is consigned to server based mvC (capitalization 
> > deliberate) serving up RESTful JSON APIs.
> 
> That is the most common model on desktop.
> 
> (phones and tablets are slightly different)
> 
> I am not dreaming that Java is going to get a comeback
> on the desktop.
> 
> But one size does not fit all.
> 
> Most common != all.
> 
> For those that for whatever reasons want a desktop application
> and want to write it in Java, then JavaFX is better than Swing
> and AWT.
> 
> Arne

I feel like I need to migrate code to a client server model with the client interface involving web browsers, but I have spent 10 years developing a nice Java Swing API and I'm skeptical the web browser model can do everything my API can do, much less do it efficiently and consistently.

I haven't really gotten into much web coding myself but I think they have gotten better with consistency in recent years.  I know 10 years ago no one wanted a web based client because nothing looked much less worked the same across different browsers.  These says some are still doing the Java Swing socket model or C# application with remote users logging into VPN but many have adapted browser interfaces.

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#38132

On 09-03-18 14:19, Eric Douglas wrote:
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 7:37:15 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile.
>>>
>>> As with .NET C#, Java is consigned to server based mvC (capitalization
>>> deliberate) serving up RESTful JSON APIs.
>>
>> That is the most common model on desktop.
>>
>> (phones and tablets are slightly different)
>>
>> I am not dreaming that Java is going to get a comeback
>> on the desktop.
>>
>> But one size does not fit all.
>>
>> Most common != all.
>>
>> For those that for whatever reasons want a desktop application
>> and want to write it in Java, then JavaFX is better than Swing
>> and AWT.
>>
>> Arne
> 
> I feel like I need to migrate code to a client server model with the client interface involving web browsers, but I have spent 10 years developing a nice Java Swing API and I'm skeptical the web browser model can do everything my API can do, much less do it efficiently and consistently.
> 
> I haven't really gotten into much web coding myself but I think they have gotten better with consistency in recent years.  I know 10 years ago no one wanted a web based client because nothing looked much less worked the same across different browsers.  These says some are still doing the Java Swing socket model or C# application with remote users logging into VPN but many have adapted browser interfaces.
> 

Even ten years ago most applications where better of with a web based 
client. Since then the browser has become a better and more converged 
client and user interface design has changed drastically in a direction 
that suits the browser.

I did my last non browser client (Swing) about 14 years ago and native 
client (Windows/C++) 20 years ago. Never looked back.

Ten years ago I could not believe anybody was interested in JavaFX. For 
new applications, the non-browser GUI was already dead and the plugins 
(Flash and Silverlight) where on their way out. I am stumped people are 
still developing Swing clients.

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#38136

On 3/9/2018 6:02 PM, Silvio wrote:
> Ten years ago I could not believe anybody was interested in JavaFX. For 
> new applications, the non-browser GUI was already dead and the plugins 
> (Flash and Silverlight) where on their way out. I am stumped people are 
> still developing Swing clients.

Well - MS is still selling desktop applications for many B$ a year.

And Android and iOS got about 5 million new apps the last 10 years.

A desktop application is getting a rare choice for frontend
for the typical business application.

But declaring anything non-browser dead 10 years ago seem
a bit exaggerated.

Arne

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#38138

On 10-03-18 01:28, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 3/9/2018 6:02 PM, Silvio wrote:
>> Ten years ago I could not believe anybody was interested in JavaFX. 
>> For new applications, the non-browser GUI was already dead and the 
>> plugins (Flash and Silverlight) where on their way out. I am stumped 
>> people are still developing Swing clients.
> 
> Well - MS is still selling desktop applications for many B$ a year.
> 
> And Android and iOS got about 5 million new apps the last 10 years.
> 
> A desktop application is getting a rare choice for frontend
> for the typical business application.
> 
> But declaring anything non-browser dead 10 years ago seem
> a bit exaggerated.
> 
> Arne
> 

Mobile apps are the special case here for now. Since the browser/native 
gap is closing fast there as well the same will happen on mobile as on 
the desktop.

M$ did not exactly create a lot of new stuff on the desktop did they? 
They did some half-hearted attempt at a couple of metro apps and 
basically abandoned them. And then they ported the whole Office suite to 
the web.

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#38139

On 3/9/2018 9:12 PM, Silvio wrote:
> On 10-03-18 01:28, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 3/9/2018 6:02 PM, Silvio wrote:
>>> Ten years ago I could not believe anybody was interested in JavaFX. 
>>> For new applications, the non-browser GUI was already dead and the 
>>> plugins (Flash and Silverlight) where on their way out. I am stumped 
>>> people are still developing Swing clients.
>>
>> Well - MS is still selling desktop applications for many B$ a year.
>>
>> And Android and iOS got about 5 million new apps the last 10 years.
>>
>> A desktop application is getting a rare choice for frontend
>> for the typical business application.
>>
>> But declaring anything non-browser dead 10 years ago seem
>> a bit exaggerated.
> 
> Mobile apps are the special case here for now.

It is a special case. But a rather big special case.

>                                                Since the browser/native 
> gap is closing fast there as well the same will happen on mobile as on 
> the desktop.

Maybe. But so far it has not happened.

> M$ did not exactly create a lot of new stuff on the desktop did they? 
> They did some half-hearted attempt at a couple of metro apps and 
> basically abandoned them. And then they ported the whole Office suite to 
> the web.

MSO is availble in the 365 thing.

But they still make a lot of money on the traditional desktop applications.

Arne

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#38142

On 10-Mar-18 10:28 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 3/9/2018 9:12 PM, Silvio wrote:
>> On 10-03-18 01:28, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 3/9/2018 6:02 PM, Silvio wrote:
>>>> Ten years ago I could not believe anybody was interested in JavaFX. 
>>>> For new applications, the non-browser GUI was already dead and the 
>>>> plugins (Flash and Silverlight) where on their way out. I am stumped 
>>>> people are still developing Swing clients.
>>>
>>> Well - MS is still selling desktop applications for many B$ a year.
>>>
>>> And Android and iOS got about 5 million new apps the last 10 years.
>>>
>>> A desktop application is getting a rare choice for frontend
>>> for the typical business application.
>>>
>>> But declaring anything non-browser dead 10 years ago seem
>>> a bit exaggerated.
>>
>> Mobile apps are the special case here for now.
> 
> It is a special case. But a rather big special case.
> 
>>                                                Since the 
>> browser/native gap is closing fast there as well the same will happen 
>> on mobile as on the desktop.
> 
> Maybe. But so far it has not happened.

Phonegap/Cordova would disappear overnight if W3C wasn't stacked full of 
incompetent lefty social warriors who get their jobs because their 
companies contribute financially or are members.

They have NO deliverables, NO KPIs, and can't tell their development 
arse from their elbow :-(

For 2 years they've had the solution to Background Geolocation and still 
nothing. Arrrgh!

https://github.com/w3c/ServiceWorker/issues/745

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#38147

On 3/10/2018 8:41 AM, Richard Maher wrote:
> On 10-Mar-18 10:28 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 3/9/2018 9:12 PM, Silvio wrote:
>>>                                                Since the 
>>> browser/native gap is closing fast there as well the same will happen 
>>> on mobile as on the desktop.
>>
>> Maybe. But so far it has not happened.
> 
> Phonegap/Cordova would disappear overnight if W3C wasn't stacked full of 
> incompetent lefty social warriors who get their jobs because their 
> companies contribute financially or are members.

Are you saying that you don't like them>

:-)

Phone and tablet are more than PhoneGap/Cordova and similar HTML 5 based 
toolkits.

Objective-C or Swift on iPhone.

Java on Android.

C# on both via Xamarin.

Arne

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#38148

On 11-Mar-18 10:09 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 3/10/2018 8:41 AM, Richard Maher wrote:
>> On 10-Mar-18 10:28 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 3/9/2018 9:12 PM, Silvio wrote:
>>>>                                                Since the 
>>>> browser/native gap is closing fast there as well the same will 
>>>> happen on mobile as on the desktop.
>>>
>>> Maybe. But so far it has not happened.
>>
>> Phonegap/Cordova would disappear overnight if W3C wasn't stacked full 
>> of incompetent lefty social warriors who get their jobs because their 
>> companies contribute financially or are members.
> 
> Are you saying that you don't like them>
> 
> :-)
> 
> Phone and tablet are more than PhoneGap/Cordova and similar HTML 5 based 
> toolkits.
> 
> Objective-C or Swift on iPhone.
> 
> Java on Android.
> 
> C# on both via Xamarin.

HTLM5, CSS3, Javascript *everywhere*

> 
> Arne

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#38150

On 3/10/2018 9:46 PM, Richard Maher wrote:
> On 11-Mar-18 10:09 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 3/10/2018 8:41 AM, Richard Maher wrote:
>>> On 10-Mar-18 10:28 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> On 3/9/2018 9:12 PM, Silvio wrote:
>>>>>                                                Since the 
>>>>> browser/native gap is closing fast there as well the same will 
>>>>> happen on mobile as on the desktop.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe. But so far it has not happened.
>>>
>>> Phonegap/Cordova would disappear overnight if W3C wasn't stacked full 
>>> of incompetent lefty social warriors who get their jobs because their 
>>> companies contribute financially or are members.
>>
>> Are you saying that you don't like them>
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Phone and tablet are more than PhoneGap/Cordova and similar HTML 5 
>> based toolkits.
>>
>> Objective-C or Swift on iPhone.
>>
>> Java on Android.
>>
>> C# on both via Xamarin.
> 
> HTLM5, CSS3, Javascript *everywhere*

Yes.

And if it work for you and you like it then it is great.

Not everybody likes it.

Arne

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#38135

On 3/9/2018 8:19 AM, Eric Douglas wrote:
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 7:37:15 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile.
>>>
>>> As with .NET C#, Java is consigned to server based mvC (capitalization
>>> deliberate) serving up RESTful JSON APIs.
>>
>> That is the most common model on desktop.
>>
>> (phones and tablets are slightly different)
>>
>> I am not dreaming that Java is going to get a comeback
>> on the desktop.
>>
>> But one size does not fit all.
>>
>> Most common != all.
>>
>> For those that for whatever reasons want a desktop application
>> and want to write it in Java, then JavaFX is better than Swing
>> and AWT.
> 
> I feel like I need to migrate code to a client server model with the
> client interface involving web browsers, but I have spent 10 years
> developing a nice Java Swing API and I'm skeptical the web browser model
> can do everything my API can do, much less do it efficiently and
> consistently.
> 
> I haven't really gotten into much web coding myself but I think they
> have gotten better with consistency in recent years. I know 10 years ago
> no one wanted a web based client because nothing looked much less worked
> the same across different browsers. These says some are still doing the
> Java Swing socket model or C# application with remote users logging into
> VPN but many have adapted browser interfaces.

Most things can be made work as web UI.

But only you knows about your specific GUI.

Arne

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#38144

El 09/03/18 a las 01:30, Richard Maher escribió:
> On 09-Mar-18 3:15 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 3/8/2018 2:10 PM, Chris Riesbeck wrote:
>>> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting.
>>
>> Note though that JavaFX is/was not part of Java - it is/was part of
>> Oracle Java. Subtle difference.
>>
>> I hope that JavaFX will stay around.
> 
> You're dreamin'
> 
> The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile.


Browser will *never* be my GUI. It is a GUI inside of a GUI, and that
does not work for anyone using extensively keyboard shortcuts like me.
It is a perfect solution for short interactions like online banking
(I'd never install a mobile app for online banking instead using a
browser), but with the only, partial, exception of Google Docs (which
do not use actual browser controls for the most part), I yet have to
find a web application that I find as usable as a desktop application.

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#38149

On 11-Mar-18 2:20 AM, Ricardo Palomares Martinez wrote:
> El 09/03/18 a las 01:30, Richard Maher escribió:
>> On 09-Mar-18 3:15 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 3/8/2018 2:10 PM, Chris Riesbeck wrote:
>>>> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting.
>>>
>>> Note though that JavaFX is/was not part of Java - it is/was part of
>>> Oracle Java. Subtle difference.
>>>
>>> I hope that JavaFX will stay around.
>>
>> You're dreamin'
>>
>> The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile.
> 
> 
> Browser will *never* be my GUI. It is a GUI inside of a GUI, and that
> does not work for anyone using extensively keyboard shortcuts like me.
> It is a perfect solution for short interactions like online banking
> (I'd never install a mobile app for online banking instead using a
> browser), but with the only, partial, exception of Google Docs (which
> do not use actual browser controls for the most part), I yet have to
> find a web application that I find as usable as a desktop application.
> 

Please try to keep up with the technology. Specifically Web Apps and 
ServiceWorkers. You might like your command line interface on your CRT 
but that is hardly the point.

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#38157

On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:49:41 +0800, Richard Maher
<maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 11-Mar-18 2:20 AM, Ricardo Palomares Martinez wrote:
>> El 09/03/18 a las 01:30, Richard Maher escribió:

[snip]

>>> The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile.

     No,it is not.

>> Browser will *never* be my GUI. It is a GUI inside of a GUI, and that
>> does not work for anyone using extensively keyboard shortcuts like me.
>> It is a perfect solution for short interactions like online banking
>> (I'd never install a mobile app for online banking instead using a
>> browser), but with the only, partial, exception of Google Docs (which
>> do not use actual browser controls for the most part), I yet have to
>> find a web application that I find as usable as a desktop application.
>> 
>
>Please try to keep up with the technology. Specifically Web Apps and 
>ServiceWorkers. You might like your command line interface on your CRT 
>but that is hardly the point.

     Maybe, the technology should be more workable.

     I was at a job fair last week, and at one company's booth, I had
to enter my information using a touch screen.  It was very slow.  A
desktop system has a keyboard that just works.  Bad interfaces are
very bad.  They waste a lot of time, but one sure is busy!

     Mr. Polamares did not mention CLIs.  Just one level of GUI is
quite enough.  It is a toss-up as to whether a GUI is better than a
CLI; it depends on the area, and it depends on QOI.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#38119

On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 2:10:57 PM UTC-5, Chris Riesbeck wrote:
> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html
> 
> While I won't miss JavaFX per se, just this morning I changed some code 
> to use java.util.javafx.Pair.
> 
> I can still use java.util.AbstractMap.SimpleImmutableEntry, or roll my 
> own, but, jeepers, my timing was off.
> 
> And yes, I've read this great thread on whether a Pair is good idea:
> 
> http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2010-March/thread.html#3973

Your subject line is misleading.  It's not disappearing, it's being decoupled into it's own module.  I don't yet fully understand Java 9, how to compile, or how the modules are maintained and distributed, but Java FX will very much be a part of Java.

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#38120

On 3/8/2018 2:49 PM, Eric Douglas wrote:
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 2:10:57 PM UTC-5, Chris Riesbeck wrote:
>> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html
>>
>> While I won't miss JavaFX per se, just this morning I changed some code
>> to use java.util.javafx.Pair.
>>
>> I can still use java.util.AbstractMap.SimpleImmutableEntry, or roll my
>> own, but, jeepers, my timing was off.
>>
>> And yes, I've read this great thread on whether a Pair is good idea:
>>
>> http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2010-March/thread.html#3973
> 
> Your subject line is misleading.  It's not disappearing, it's being
> decoupled into it's own module.  I don't yet fully understand Java 9,
> how to compile, or how the modules are maintained and distributed,
> but Java FX will very much be a part of Java.
"broken out into its own separate module" means separate product not
separate module.

JavaFX was already put in 8 separate modules in Java 9.

And later they state:

"with the faster release schedule being implemented for standard Java 
and the JDK, JavaFX needs to be on its own pace"

"JavaFX will be removed from the Java JDK as of JDK 11, which is due in 
September 2018"

Arne

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