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| Started by | Chris Riesbeck <Chris.Riesbeck@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-03-08 13:10 -0600 |
| Last post | 2018-03-12 20:17 -0400 |
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JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Chris Riesbeck <Chris.Riesbeck@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 13:10 -0600
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 14:15 -0500
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-09 08:30 +0800
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:37 -0500
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-09 11:09 +0800
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 05:19 -0800
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 00:02 +0100
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 19:28 -0500
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 03:12 +0100
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 21:28 -0500
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-10 21:41 +0800
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 21:09 -0500
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-11 10:46 +0800
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 22:39 -0500
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 19:23 -0500
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Ricardo Palomares Martinez <rpm.NOADS@proyectonave.es> - 2018-03-10 19:20 +0100
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-11 10:49 +0800
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-12 15:36 -0700
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 11:49 -0800
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 15:00 -0500
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 12:32 -0800
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 16:51 -0500
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-09 00:57 +0100
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:20 -0500
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:23 -0500
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-08 19:28 -0500
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-09 08:44 +0000
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 00:03 +0100
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 19:20 -0500
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 03:07 +0100
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-09 21:32 -0500
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-10 09:50 +0100
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-10 16:39 +0100
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 21:06 -0500
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 06:50 -0700
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-12 23:41 +0800
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 09:10 -0700
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-13 07:33 +0800
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:15 -0400
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 05:46 -0700
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 09:55 -0400
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 06:42 -0700
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 09:50 -0400
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 06:57 -0700
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 10:08 -0400
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 07:58 -0700
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-15 12:23 -0400
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2018-03-13 02:28 +0100
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-13 11:39 +0000
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-13 07:54 -0400
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-13 12:45 +0000
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 05:42 -0700
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-13 23:27 +0100
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-14 08:35 +0800
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 05:03 -0700
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 05:08 -0700
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-15 11:50 +0100
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 05:47 -0700
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-15 12:28 +0000
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 12:08 -0700
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-13 00:58 +0100
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:02 -0400
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-10 21:03 -0500
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 05:45 -0700
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:07 -0400
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Uniqua Lykerd <uniqualykerd@protonmail.com> - 2018-03-29 21:22 -0400
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2018-03-30 04:37 +0200
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Gianluca Bonetti <gianluca.bonetti@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 09:59 -0700
Re: JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2018-03-12 20:17 -0400
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| From | Chris Riesbeck <Chris.Riesbeck@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-08 13:10 -0600 |
| Subject | JavaFX disappearing in Java 11 |
| Message-ID | <p7s1rj$fa3$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html While I won't miss JavaFX per se, just this morning I changed some code to use java.util.javafx.Pair. I can still use java.util.AbstractMap.SimpleImmutableEntry, or roll my own, but, jeepers, my timing was off. And yes, I've read this great thread on whether a Pair is good idea: http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2010-March/thread.html#3973
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2018-03-08 14:15 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <p7s242$fkf$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #38117 |
On 3/8/2018 2:10 PM, Chris Riesbeck wrote: > https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html Interesting. Note though that JavaFX is/was not part of Java - it is/was part of Oracle Java. Subtle difference. I hope that JavaFX will stay around. Arne
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| From | Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-09 08:30 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <p7skjo$1dsm$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #38118 |
On 09-Mar-18 3:15 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 3/8/2018 2:10 PM, Chris Riesbeck wrote: >> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html > > > Interesting. > > Note though that JavaFX is/was not part of Java - it is/was part of > Oracle Java. Subtle difference. > > I hope that JavaFX will stay around. You're dreamin' The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile. As with .NET C#, Java is consigned to server based mvC (capitalization deliberate) serving up RESTful JSON APIs. > > Arne >
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2018-03-08 19:37 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <p7skvg$1f1v$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #38127 |
On 3/8/2018 7:30 PM, Richard Maher wrote: > On 09-Mar-18 3:15 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> On 3/8/2018 2:10 PM, Chris Riesbeck wrote: >>> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html > > >> Interesting. >> >> Note though that JavaFX is/was not part of Java - it is/was part of >> Oracle Java. Subtle difference. >> >> I hope that JavaFX will stay around. > > You're dreamin' > > The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile. > > As with .NET C#, Java is consigned to server based mvC (capitalization > deliberate) serving up RESTful JSON APIs. That is the most common model on desktop. (phones and tablets are slightly different) I am not dreaming that Java is going to get a comeback on the desktop. But one size does not fit all. Most common != all. For those that for whatever reasons want a desktop application and want to write it in Java, then JavaFX is better than Swing and AWT. Arne
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| From | Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-09 11:09 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <p7stse$1prp$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #38128 |
On 09-Mar-18 8:37 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 3/8/2018 7:30 PM, Richard Maher wrote: >> On 09-Mar-18 3:15 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> On 3/8/2018 2:10 PM, Chris Riesbeck wrote: >>>> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html >> >> > >>> Interesting. >>> >>> Note though that JavaFX is/was not part of Java - it is/was part of >>> Oracle Java. Subtle difference. >>> >>> I hope that JavaFX will stay around. >> >> You're dreamin' >> >> The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile. >> >> As with .NET C#, Java is consigned to server based mvC (capitalization >> deliberate) serving up RESTful JSON APIs. > > That is the most common model on desktop. > > (phones and tablets are slightly different) Legacy phone and tablet Apps have traditionally been slightly different. > > I am not dreaming that Java is going to get a comeback > on the desktop. Java *is* the new COBOL. > > But one size does not fit all. > > Most common != all. > > For those that for whatever reasons want a desktop application > and want to write it in Java, then JavaFX is better than Swing > and AWT. Sure, Java will always have a part to pay in mainstream Slot-machines, ticketing machines, and other esoteric niches. > > Arne >
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| From | Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-09 05:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e0e0e1b1-1202-4610-9013-1263d8daf263@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #38128 |
On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 7:37:15 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > > The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile. > > > > As with .NET C#, Java is consigned to server based mvC (capitalization > > deliberate) serving up RESTful JSON APIs. > > That is the most common model on desktop. > > (phones and tablets are slightly different) > > I am not dreaming that Java is going to get a comeback > on the desktop. > > But one size does not fit all. > > Most common != all. > > For those that for whatever reasons want a desktop application > and want to write it in Java, then JavaFX is better than Swing > and AWT. > > Arne I feel like I need to migrate code to a client server model with the client interface involving web browsers, but I have spent 10 years developing a nice Java Swing API and I'm skeptical the web browser model can do everything my API can do, much less do it efficiently and consistently. I haven't really gotten into much web coding myself but I think they have gotten better with consistency in recent years. I know 10 years ago no one wanted a web based client because nothing looked much less worked the same across different browsers. These says some are still doing the Java Swing socket model or C# application with remote users logging into VPN but many have adapted browser interfaces.
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| From | Silvio <silvio@internet.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-10 00:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5aa31268$0$25508$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #38131 |
On 09-03-18 14:19, Eric Douglas wrote: > On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 7:37:15 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile. >>> >>> As with .NET C#, Java is consigned to server based mvC (capitalization >>> deliberate) serving up RESTful JSON APIs. >> >> That is the most common model on desktop. >> >> (phones and tablets are slightly different) >> >> I am not dreaming that Java is going to get a comeback >> on the desktop. >> >> But one size does not fit all. >> >> Most common != all. >> >> For those that for whatever reasons want a desktop application >> and want to write it in Java, then JavaFX is better than Swing >> and AWT. >> >> Arne > > I feel like I need to migrate code to a client server model with the client interface involving web browsers, but I have spent 10 years developing a nice Java Swing API and I'm skeptical the web browser model can do everything my API can do, much less do it efficiently and consistently. > > I haven't really gotten into much web coding myself but I think they have gotten better with consistency in recent years. I know 10 years ago no one wanted a web based client because nothing looked much less worked the same across different browsers. These says some are still doing the Java Swing socket model or C# application with remote users logging into VPN but many have adapted browser interfaces. > Even ten years ago most applications where better of with a web based client. Since then the browser has become a better and more converged client and user interface design has changed drastically in a direction that suits the browser. I did my last non browser client (Swing) about 14 years ago and native client (Windows/C++) 20 years ago. Never looked back. Ten years ago I could not believe anybody was interested in JavaFX. For new applications, the non-browser GUI was already dead and the plugins (Flash and Silverlight) where on their way out. I am stumped people are still developing Swing clients.
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2018-03-09 19:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <p7v8rp$1tm4$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #38132 |
On 3/9/2018 6:02 PM, Silvio wrote: > Ten years ago I could not believe anybody was interested in JavaFX. For > new applications, the non-browser GUI was already dead and the plugins > (Flash and Silverlight) where on their way out. I am stumped people are > still developing Swing clients. Well - MS is still selling desktop applications for many B$ a year. And Android and iOS got about 5 million new apps the last 10 years. A desktop application is getting a rare choice for frontend for the typical business application. But declaring anything non-browser dead 10 years ago seem a bit exaggerated. Arne
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| From | Silvio <silvio@internet.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-10 03:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5aa33efc$0$12894$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #38136 |
On 10-03-18 01:28, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 3/9/2018 6:02 PM, Silvio wrote: >> Ten years ago I could not believe anybody was interested in JavaFX. >> For new applications, the non-browser GUI was already dead and the >> plugins (Flash and Silverlight) where on their way out. I am stumped >> people are still developing Swing clients. > > Well - MS is still selling desktop applications for many B$ a year. > > And Android and iOS got about 5 million new apps the last 10 years. > > A desktop application is getting a rare choice for frontend > for the typical business application. > > But declaring anything non-browser dead 10 years ago seem > a bit exaggerated. > > Arne > Mobile apps are the special case here for now. Since the browser/native gap is closing fast there as well the same will happen on mobile as on the desktop. M$ did not exactly create a lot of new stuff on the desktop did they? They did some half-hearted attempt at a couple of metro apps and basically abandoned them. And then they ported the whole Office suite to the web.
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2018-03-09 21:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <p7vfsn$6a1$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #38138 |
On 3/9/2018 9:12 PM, Silvio wrote: > On 10-03-18 01:28, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> On 3/9/2018 6:02 PM, Silvio wrote: >>> Ten years ago I could not believe anybody was interested in JavaFX. >>> For new applications, the non-browser GUI was already dead and the >>> plugins (Flash and Silverlight) where on their way out. I am stumped >>> people are still developing Swing clients. >> >> Well - MS is still selling desktop applications for many B$ a year. >> >> And Android and iOS got about 5 million new apps the last 10 years. >> >> A desktop application is getting a rare choice for frontend >> for the typical business application. >> >> But declaring anything non-browser dead 10 years ago seem >> a bit exaggerated. > > Mobile apps are the special case here for now. It is a special case. But a rather big special case. > Since the browser/native > gap is closing fast there as well the same will happen on mobile as on > the desktop. Maybe. But so far it has not happened. > M$ did not exactly create a lot of new stuff on the desktop did they? > They did some half-hearted attempt at a couple of metro apps and > basically abandoned them. And then they ported the whole Office suite to > the web. MSO is availble in the 365 thing. But they still make a lot of money on the traditional desktop applications. Arne
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| From | Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-10 21:41 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <p80n9f$4gm$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #38139 |
On 10-Mar-18 10:28 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 3/9/2018 9:12 PM, Silvio wrote: >> On 10-03-18 01:28, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> On 3/9/2018 6:02 PM, Silvio wrote: >>>> Ten years ago I could not believe anybody was interested in JavaFX. >>>> For new applications, the non-browser GUI was already dead and the >>>> plugins (Flash and Silverlight) where on their way out. I am stumped >>>> people are still developing Swing clients. >>> >>> Well - MS is still selling desktop applications for many B$ a year. >>> >>> And Android and iOS got about 5 million new apps the last 10 years. >>> >>> A desktop application is getting a rare choice for frontend >>> for the typical business application. >>> >>> But declaring anything non-browser dead 10 years ago seem >>> a bit exaggerated. >> >> Mobile apps are the special case here for now. > > It is a special case. But a rather big special case. > >> Since the >> browser/native gap is closing fast there as well the same will happen >> on mobile as on the desktop. > > Maybe. But so far it has not happened. Phonegap/Cordova would disappear overnight if W3C wasn't stacked full of incompetent lefty social warriors who get their jobs because their companies contribute financially or are members. They have NO deliverables, NO KPIs, and can't tell their development arse from their elbow :-( For 2 years they've had the solution to Background Geolocation and still nothing. Arrrgh! https://github.com/w3c/ServiceWorker/issues/745
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2018-03-10 21:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <p8234a$nl4$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #38142 |
On 3/10/2018 8:41 AM, Richard Maher wrote: > On 10-Mar-18 10:28 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> On 3/9/2018 9:12 PM, Silvio wrote: >>> Since the >>> browser/native gap is closing fast there as well the same will happen >>> on mobile as on the desktop. >> >> Maybe. But so far it has not happened. > > Phonegap/Cordova would disappear overnight if W3C wasn't stacked full of > incompetent lefty social warriors who get their jobs because their > companies contribute financially or are members. Are you saying that you don't like them> :-) Phone and tablet are more than PhoneGap/Cordova and similar HTML 5 based toolkits. Objective-C or Swift on iPhone. Java on Android. C# on both via Xamarin. Arne
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| From | Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-11 10:46 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <p825am$q21$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #38147 |
On 11-Mar-18 10:09 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 3/10/2018 8:41 AM, Richard Maher wrote: >> On 10-Mar-18 10:28 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> On 3/9/2018 9:12 PM, Silvio wrote: >>>> Since the >>>> browser/native gap is closing fast there as well the same will >>>> happen on mobile as on the desktop. >>> >>> Maybe. But so far it has not happened. >> >> Phonegap/Cordova would disappear overnight if W3C wasn't stacked full >> of incompetent lefty social warriors who get their jobs because their >> companies contribute financially or are members. > > Are you saying that you don't like them> > > :-) > > Phone and tablet are more than PhoneGap/Cordova and similar HTML 5 based > toolkits. > > Objective-C or Swift on iPhone. > > Java on Android. > > C# on both via Xamarin. HTLM5, CSS3, Javascript *everywhere* > > Arne
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2018-03-10 22:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <p828dm$ue2$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #38148 |
On 3/10/2018 9:46 PM, Richard Maher wrote: > On 11-Mar-18 10:09 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> On 3/10/2018 8:41 AM, Richard Maher wrote: >>> On 10-Mar-18 10:28 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>>> On 3/9/2018 9:12 PM, Silvio wrote: >>>>> Since the >>>>> browser/native gap is closing fast there as well the same will >>>>> happen on mobile as on the desktop. >>>> >>>> Maybe. But so far it has not happened. >>> >>> Phonegap/Cordova would disappear overnight if W3C wasn't stacked full >>> of incompetent lefty social warriors who get their jobs because their >>> companies contribute financially or are members. >> >> Are you saying that you don't like them> >> >> :-) >> >> Phone and tablet are more than PhoneGap/Cordova and similar HTML 5 >> based toolkits. >> >> Objective-C or Swift on iPhone. >> >> Java on Android. >> >> C# on both via Xamarin. > > HTLM5, CSS3, Javascript *everywhere* Yes. And if it work for you and you like it then it is great. Not everybody likes it. Arne
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2018-03-09 19:23 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <p7v8i6$1t0l$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #38131 |
On 3/9/2018 8:19 AM, Eric Douglas wrote: > On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 7:37:15 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile. >>> >>> As with .NET C#, Java is consigned to server based mvC (capitalization >>> deliberate) serving up RESTful JSON APIs. >> >> That is the most common model on desktop. >> >> (phones and tablets are slightly different) >> >> I am not dreaming that Java is going to get a comeback >> on the desktop. >> >> But one size does not fit all. >> >> Most common != all. >> >> For those that for whatever reasons want a desktop application >> and want to write it in Java, then JavaFX is better than Swing >> and AWT. > > I feel like I need to migrate code to a client server model with the > client interface involving web browsers, but I have spent 10 years > developing a nice Java Swing API and I'm skeptical the web browser model > can do everything my API can do, much less do it efficiently and > consistently. > > I haven't really gotten into much web coding myself but I think they > have gotten better with consistency in recent years. I know 10 years ago > no one wanted a web based client because nothing looked much less worked > the same across different browsers. These says some are still doing the > Java Swing socket model or C# application with remote users logging into > VPN but many have adapted browser interfaces. Most things can be made work as web UI. But only you knows about your specific GUI. Arne
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| From | Ricardo Palomares Martinez <rpm.NOADS@proyectonave.es> |
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| Date | 2018-03-10 19:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <p817ku$12t7$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #38127 |
El 09/03/18 a las 01:30, Richard Maher escribió: > On 09-Mar-18 3:15 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> On 3/8/2018 2:10 PM, Chris Riesbeck wrote: >>> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html >> >> >> >> Interesting. >> >> Note though that JavaFX is/was not part of Java - it is/was part of >> Oracle Java. Subtle difference. >> >> I hope that JavaFX will stay around. > > You're dreamin' > > The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile. Browser will *never* be my GUI. It is a GUI inside of a GUI, and that does not work for anyone using extensively keyboard shortcuts like me. It is a perfect solution for short interactions like online banking (I'd never install a mobile app for online banking instead using a browser), but with the only, partial, exception of Google Docs (which do not use actual browser controls for the most part), I yet have to find a web application that I find as usable as a desktop application.
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| From | Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-11 10:49 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <p825g0$q21$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #38144 |
On 11-Mar-18 2:20 AM, Ricardo Palomares Martinez wrote: > El 09/03/18 a las 01:30, Richard Maher escribió: >> On 09-Mar-18 3:15 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> On 3/8/2018 2:10 PM, Chris Riesbeck wrote: >>>> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Interesting. >>> >>> Note though that JavaFX is/was not part of Java - it is/was part of >>> Oracle Java. Subtle difference. >>> >>> I hope that JavaFX will stay around. >> >> You're dreamin' >> >> The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile. > > > Browser will *never* be my GUI. It is a GUI inside of a GUI, and that > does not work for anyone using extensively keyboard shortcuts like me. > It is a perfect solution for short interactions like online banking > (I'd never install a mobile app for online banking instead using a > browser), but with the only, partial, exception of Google Docs (which > do not use actual browser controls for the most part), I yet have to > find a web application that I find as usable as a desktop application. > Please try to keep up with the technology. Specifically Web Apps and ServiceWorkers. You might like your command line interface on your CRT but that is hardly the point.
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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2018-03-12 15:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3vvdaddad131q738475jkd2bvc2qie388r@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #38149 |
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:49:41 +0800, Richard Maher
<maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 11-Mar-18 2:20 AM, Ricardo Palomares Martinez wrote:
>> El 09/03/18 a las 01:30, Richard Maher escribió:
[snip]
>>> The browser *is* the GUI. Resistance is futile.
No,it is not.
>> Browser will *never* be my GUI. It is a GUI inside of a GUI, and that
>> does not work for anyone using extensively keyboard shortcuts like me.
>> It is a perfect solution for short interactions like online banking
>> (I'd never install a mobile app for online banking instead using a
>> browser), but with the only, partial, exception of Google Docs (which
>> do not use actual browser controls for the most part), I yet have to
>> find a web application that I find as usable as a desktop application.
>>
>
>Please try to keep up with the technology. Specifically Web Apps and
>ServiceWorkers. You might like your command line interface on your CRT
>but that is hardly the point.
Maybe, the technology should be more workable.
I was at a job fair last week, and at one company's booth, I had
to enter my information using a touch screen. It was very slow. A
desktop system has a keyboard that just works. Bad interfaces are
very bad. They waste a lot of time, but one sure is busy!
Mr. Polamares did not mention CLIs. Just one level of GUI is
quite enough. It is a toss-up as to whether a GUI is better than a
CLI; it depends on the area, and it depends on QOI.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| From | Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-08 11:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <64ac0595-1dec-428f-8202-107c25a90773@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #38117 |
On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 2:10:57 PM UTC-5, Chris Riesbeck wrote: > https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html > > While I won't miss JavaFX per se, just this morning I changed some code > to use java.util.javafx.Pair. > > I can still use java.util.AbstractMap.SimpleImmutableEntry, or roll my > own, but, jeepers, my timing was off. > > And yes, I've read this great thread on whether a Pair is good idea: > > http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2010-March/thread.html#3973 Your subject line is misleading. It's not disappearing, it's being decoupled into it's own module. I don't yet fully understand Java 9, how to compile, or how the modules are maintained and distributed, but Java FX will very much be a part of Java.
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2018-03-08 15:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <p7s4og$khk$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #38119 |
On 3/8/2018 2:49 PM, Eric Douglas wrote: > On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 2:10:57 PM UTC-5, Chris Riesbeck wrote: >> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3261066/java/javafx-will-be-removed-from-the-java-jdk.html >> >> While I won't miss JavaFX per se, just this morning I changed some code >> to use java.util.javafx.Pair. >> >> I can still use java.util.AbstractMap.SimpleImmutableEntry, or roll my >> own, but, jeepers, my timing was off. >> >> And yes, I've read this great thread on whether a Pair is good idea: >> >> http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2010-March/thread.html#3973 > > Your subject line is misleading. It's not disappearing, it's being > decoupled into it's own module. I don't yet fully understand Java 9, > how to compile, or how the modules are maintained and distributed, > but Java FX will very much be a part of Java. "broken out into its own separate module" means separate product not separate module. JavaFX was already put in 8 separate modules in Java 9. And later they state: "with the faster release schedule being implemented for standard Java and the JDK, JavaFX needs to be on its own pace" "JavaFX will be removed from the Java JDK as of JDK 11, which is due in September 2018" Arne
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