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  Missing conversations Justin <justin.lottes@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 06:50 -0800
    Re: Missing conversations Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 07:52 -0800
      Re: Missing conversations Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-02-10 17:28 +0000
    Re: Missing conversations Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-10 21:47 -0500

#33748 — Missing conversations

Hi all,

I'm mostly just a troll here, I do most programming in C++ now.  But I like to read the message board to keep my java skills sharp.  I've noticed recently, for certain users, I will get notified via email that they've posted, but when I go to the forum, I don't see their post.  Further, I see other users quoting their posts so I know they are there.  

I also saw somebody else complaining about the same thing in a thread, but it wasn't addressed and I can't find the post now.  Any ideas whats going on?

Thanks.

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#33749

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 9:51:14 AM UTC-5, Justin wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm mostly just a troll here, I do most programming in C++ now.  But I like to read the message board to keep my java skills sharp.  I've noticed recently, for certain users, I will get notified via email that they've posted, but when I go to the forum, I don't see their post.  Further, I see other users quoting their posts so I know they are there.  
> 
> I also saw somebody else complaining about the same thing in a thread, but it wasn't addressed and I can't find the post now.  Any ideas whats going on?
> 
> Thanks.

I forget why they said it works that way.  I view it in Google Groups.  I know someone called Stephan Ram posts and I never see it.  I believe they said you can subscribe like a mailing list, and someone recommended Thunderbird to view, that you should be able to see those?  I think it's easier to use the Groups.

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#33752

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 07:52:41 -0800, Eric Douglas wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 9:51:14 AM UTC-5, Justin wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm mostly just a troll here, I do most programming in C++ now.  But I
>> like to read the message board to keep my java skills sharp.  I've
>> noticed recently, for certain users, I will get notified via email that
>> they've posted, but when I go to the forum, I don't see their post. 
>> Further, I see other users quoting their posts so I know they are
>> there.
>> 
>> I also saw somebody else complaining about the same thing in a thread,
>> but it wasn't addressed and I can't find the post now.  Any ideas whats
>> going on?
>> 
>> Thanks.
> 
> I forget why they said it works that way.  I view it in Google Groups. 
> I know someone called Stephan Ram posts and I never see it.  I believe
> they said you can subscribe like a mailing list, and someone recommended
> Thunderbird to view, that you should be able to see those?  I think it's
> easier to use the Groups.
>
You mean newsgroups, aka NNTP for the initials of the protocol. These are 
rather like bulletin boards and there are around 25,000 of them on a huge 
range of topics.

You need three things to use newsgroups:

- the name of this newsgroup: comp.lang.java.programmer

- a newsreader. These generally work more like an e-mail reader than 
  a web forum. As others have said, the Thunderbird mail reader can also
  be used to read and post to newsgroups.
  Other good choices are pan (for Linux) or Forte's Agent (for Windows)
  Agent isn't free except for a trial period, it costs a whole $30.

- a news server for your newsreader to connect to.
  Try news.eternal-september.org - this is a free server
  If you're asked for a port, its 119

To use: Install the newsreader and configure it to use your preferred 
news server and ask it to show the list of newsgroups supported by the 
news server. Then select the newsgroups you want to subscribe to by 
scrolling down the list and selecting them. Then ask the newsreader to 
download the last 'n'; days posts and you're away.

A little history: newsgroups are one of the first Internet services, 
along with e-mail and FTP file transfers. Google groups was formerly Deja 
News, a searchable newsgroup archive until Google bought it and made it 
into what is effectively a non-expiring news server. In the process they 
changed the web GUI (for the worse IMO, though it was never wonderful) 
and introduced some bugs that have never been fixed. Chief among them are 
the way it randomly fails to show some NNTP server posts to Google Group 
users and the equally random way it fails to pass some Google Group posts 
to the wider NNTP server network.

 
-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#33760

On 2/10/2016 9:50 AM, Justin wrote:
> I'm mostly just a troll here, I do most programming in C++ now.  But
> I like to read the message board to keep my java skills sharp.  I've
> noticed recently, for certain users, I will get notified via email
> that they've posted, but when I go to the forum, I don't see their
> post.  Further, I see other users quoting their posts so I know they
> are there.
>
> I also saw somebody else complaining about the same thing in a
> thread, but it wasn't addressed and I can't find the post now.  Any
> ideas whats going on?

Usenet is not a guaranteed eventual consistency distributed system.

Things happen.

A server can miss some posts and not recover properly due to a good
old fashioned software bug.

A message can be cancelled and some servers do the cancel and others
do not.

It is possible to add certain headers to messages that will make
some servers bit not all use non-default archiving policy.

Even though it is expected behavior then setting followup to
a group not in the original dist list can make a thread suddenly
appear.

Also replies to a message expired on your server (but not on
posters server) can also make thread suddenly appear.

Arne

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