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  Re: Roof's broken Marcel Mueller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2015-12-09 07:37 +0100
    Re: Roof's broken Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-12-09 20:15 -0500
      Re: Roof's broken Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 05:12 -0800
        Re: Roof's broken Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-12-10 18:42 -0500

#33320 — Re: Roof's broken

On 09.12.15 01.14, Stefan Ram wrote:
>        »TIOBE Index for December 2015
>
>        December Headline: Java's popularity is going through
>        the roof
>
>        There is hardly any doubt about it, Java will become
>        TIOBE's programming language of the year 2015.«

I am in doubt that it will last for long. I think the only reason for 
this rating is Android.
Due to Oracle's new strategy some companies think twice whether to 
choose Java for new products.
And Objective C has been overtaken either.


Marcel

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#33325

On 12/9/2015 1:37 AM, Marcel Mueller wrote:
> On 09.12.15 01.14, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>        »TIOBE Index for December 2015
>>
>>        December Headline: Java's popularity is going through
>>        the roof
>>
>>        There is hardly any doubt about it, Java will become
>>        TIOBE's programming language of the year 2015.«
>
> I am in doubt that it will last for long. I think the only reason for
> this rating is Android.

Java has been #1 or #2 for 13 years.

It is dominating two very fast growing markets:
* smartphones (Android)
* big data (Hadoop)

The large Java EE applications developed the last 15 years are still
rather new in enterprise life cycle.

It is practically guaranteed that Java will be in the top for
the next 5 years to come. The only question is whether it will
be as #1 or #2.

> Due to Oracle's new strategy some companies think twice whether to
> choose Java for new products.

As far as I know then Oracle has bot changed strategy.

There were a bit of speculation after Oracle let go
of a handful of people well-known in the Java world
a few months ago.

The speculation did not sound particular convincing.

> And Objective C has been overtaken either.

Apple is actively pushing Swift over Objective-C so
no surprise in that.

Arne

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#33326

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 8:15:57 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> Java has been #1 or #2 for 13 years.
> 
> It is dominating two very fast growing markets:
> * smartphones (Android)
> * big data (Hadoop)
> 
> The large Java EE applications developed the last 15 years are still
> rather new in enterprise life cycle.
> 
> It is practically guaranteed that Java will be in the top for
> the next 5 years to come. The only question is whether it will
> be as #1 or #2.
> 
> > Due to Oracle's new strategy some companies think twice whether to
> > choose Java for new products.
> 
> As far as I know then Oracle has bot changed strategy.
> 
> There were a bit of speculation after Oracle let go
> of a handful of people well-known in the Java world
> a few months ago.
> 
> The speculation did not sound particular convincing.
> 
> > And Objective C has been overtaken either.
> 
> Apple is actively pushing Swift over Objective-C so
> no surprise in that.
> 
> Arne

Some 10 or 15 years ago Java was new and we were hesitant to write anything with it.  VB.NET was #1.  Java has come a long way since and hopefully is the language of the future.  Learning a new major language is the worst if it requires updating a lot of existing code.

I believe Objective-C is dead which should be a good thing since I never bothered to learn it because I heard it was closed source and you had to pay to use it.  Swift is now a free open source language that can code OSX as well as iOS.

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#33346

On 12/10/2015 8:12 AM, Eric Douglas wrote:
> Some 10 or 15 years ago Java was new and we were hesitant to write
> anything with it.  VB.NET was #1.

VB.NET is from 2002. Do you mean VB6?

>                           Java has come a long way since and
> hopefully is the language of the future.

Not *the* language for the future.

But *a* language for the short & mid term future.

Difficult to predict long term future in IT.

> I believe Objective-C is dead

No dead but expected to decline.

>                                   I heard it was closed source and
> you had to pay to use it.

Objective-C is a language.

Several implementations exist.

Apples traditional implementation for MacOS(X) and iOS may be
closed source [not sure - I do not follow that world
so closely].

But GCC and clang are open source and supports Objective-C
[again - I am not si sure about whether there are dialect differences].

Arne

>                     Swift is now a free open source language
> that can code OSX as well as iOS.

Swift is also a significant more modern language I believe.

Arne

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