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From Hibernate to straight JPA

Started byCecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl>
First post2015-07-10 20:13 +0200
Last post2015-07-18 20:44 -0400
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  From Hibernate to straight JPA Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-07-10 20:13 +0200
    Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-11 10:56 -0400
      Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-07-11 21:06 +0200
    Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 17:15 -0700
      Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-07-16 20:44 -0400
        Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2015-07-17 10:01 +0200
          Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-07-27 22:18 -0400
    Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-07-18 20:48 +0100
      Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-18 16:51 -0400
      Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-07-18 17:21 -0400
      Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-07-18 23:24 +0000
        Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-07-18 19:43 -0400
        Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-18 19:50 -0400
          Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-07-18 20:23 -0400
        Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 09:22 +0100
          Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-19 06:20 -0400
            Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-19 07:49 -0400
              Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 13:28 +0100
                Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-19 09:20 -0400
                  Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-19 09:50 -0400
                Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-20 13:16 -0400
                  Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-20 13:42 -0400
                    Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-20 14:07 -0400
                    Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-07-20 20:46 +0100
                      Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-07-20 21:01 +0000
                      Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-20 22:19 -0400
                        Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-20 23:52 -0400
                      Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2015-07-21 12:04 +0200
                        Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Eternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com> - 2015-07-21 12:43 +0100
      Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-18 20:25 -0400
        Re: From Hibernate to straight JPA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-18 20:44 -0400

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#32093

FromJeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid>
Date2015-07-20 13:16 -0400
Message-ID<mojaia$75f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#32089
On 07/19/2015 08:28 AM, Eternal Hope wrote:
>
> You know, sooner or later people are going to stop calling it artificial
> intelligence and call it what it is, machine intelligence.
>
> Whwn a machine is intelligent how long before it realizes that actually
> it's easy to write software that is unintelligible to the puny human
> brain, as soon as it figures this out Pandora will be abroad and all
> bets are off.
>
> It's mind bending actually, there would be an exponential growth in
> intelligence as the software becomes continually modified to be more
> efficient and more intelligent. Each iteration building on the knowledge
> and intelligence of the previous iteration.
>
> I'll be quite honest and say that this whole nightmare scenario scares
> the shit out of me. I used to think 'not in my lifetime. Now I'm not so
> sure.
>
You have company.
The Future of Life Institute
<http://futureoflife.org/>

Thanks for posting that.

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#32094

FromJeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid>
Date2015-07-20 13:42 -0400
Message-ID<mojc2e$dct$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#32093
On 07/20/2015 01:16 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:

> You have company.

Wow! I have had no idea how MUCH!
A topic(s) that have so far escaped me.
Still have plans for the middle of August though.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity>

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#32095

FromJeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid>
Date2015-07-20 14:07 -0400
Message-ID<mojdhf$j3p$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#32094
On 07/20/2015 01:42 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
Now I wonder about machines with moods.
And the ability to manufacture mood altering (modules?).

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#32096

FromEternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-20 20:46 +0100
Message-ID<mojj3b$akn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#32094
On 20/07/2015 18:42, Jeff Higgins wrote:
> On 07/20/2015 01:16 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>
>> You have company.
>
> Wow! I have had no idea how MUCH!
> A topic(s) that have so far escaped me.
> Still have plans for the middle of August though.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity>

Jeez, I thought maybe I was thinking outside the box, really I had no 
idea. Nothing new under the sun eh.

More likely to be AI than brain-computer interface I reckon, and 2030 
doesn't sem that far away, all it needs is one breakthrough in 
self-modifying algorithms.

Welcome my friend, welcome to the machine ...

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#32097

FromMartin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Date2015-07-20 21:01 +0000
Message-ID<mojnj6$jpe$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#32096
On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 20:46:14 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote:

> On 20/07/2015 18:42, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>> On 07/20/2015 01:16 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>>
>>> You have company.
>>
>> Wow! I have had no idea how MUCH!
>> A topic(s) that have so far escaped me.
>> Still have plans for the middle of August though.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity>
> 
> Jeez, I thought maybe I was thinking outside the box, really I had no
> idea. Nothing new under the sun eh.
>
The idea has been around in popular culture a lot longer than you might 
think, and in both mechanical and biological forms: fiction followed 
close on von Neuman's heels. If you read SF, try:

Arthur C Clarke: Dial F for Frankenstein (electronic, 1963)
Greg Bear: Blood Music (biological, 1985)

Clarke's piece is a short story included in "The Wind From The Sun" 
collection, Bear's is a novel. Both are worth reading.


-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#32099

FromJeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid>
Date2015-07-20 22:19 -0400
Message-ID<mokach$de3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#32096
On 07/20/2015 03:46 PM, Eternal Hope wrote:
> On 20/07/2015 18:42, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>> On 07/20/2015 01:16 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>>
>>> You have company.
>>
>> Wow! I have had no idea how MUCH!
>> A topic(s) that have so far escaped me.
>> Still have plans for the middle of August though.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity>
>
> Jeez, I thought maybe I was thinking outside the box, really I had no
> idea. Nothing new under the sun eh.
>
> More likely to be AI than brain-computer interface I reckon, and 2030
> doesn't sem that far away, all it needs is one breakthrough in
> self-modifying algorithms.
>
> Welcome my friend, welcome to the machine ...
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#32100

FromJeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid>
Date2015-07-20 23:52 -0400
Message-ID<mokfqr$22r$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#32099
On 07/20/2015 10:19 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:

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"How many roads must a man walk down?"

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#32101

FromJoerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de>
Date2015-07-21 12:04 +0200
Message-ID<1v5ce86mxgb9t.f8gcyqd2ehn9.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#32096
On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 20:46:14 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote:

> On 20/07/2015 18:42, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>> On 07/20/2015 01:16 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>>> You have company.
>> Wow! I have had no idea how MUCH!
>> A topic(s) that have so far escaped me.
>> Still have plans for the middle of August though.

>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity>
> Jeez, I thought maybe I was thinking outside the box, really I had no 
> idea. Nothing new under the sun eh.

Considering that the singularity has been the plot of countless novels, 
movies and TV show episodes, you are very much inside the box. Possibly a 
blue one that's bigger on the inside.

Liebe Gruesse,
		Joerg

-- 
Ich lese meine Emails nicht, replies to Email bleiben also leider 
ungelesen.

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#32102

FromEternal Hope <laughingspam99@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-21 12:43 +0100
Message-ID<molb66$j0l$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#32101
On 21/07/2015 11:04, Joerg Meier wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 20:46:14 +0100, Eternal Hope wrote:
>
>> On 20/07/2015 18:42, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>>> On 07/20/2015 01:16 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>>>> You have company.
>>> Wow! I have had no idea how MUCH!
>>> A topic(s) that have so far escaped me.
>>> Still have plans for the middle of August though.
>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity>
>> Jeez, I thought maybe I was thinking outside the box, really I had no
>> idea. Nothing new under the sun eh.
>
> Considering that the singularity has been the plot of countless novels,
> movies and TV show episodes, you are very much inside the box. Possibly a
> blue one that's bigger on the inside.
>
> Liebe Gruesse,
> 		Joerg
>

Well possibly but isn't most of what you may presume to be intelligent 
self modifying software driven entities (ISMSDE) actually the result of 
one of the following

Malfunction (HAL from the film 2001)

Software rewrite by superior race (VGER from the first Star Trek movie)

Result of over enthuiastic developers (SkyNet from Terminator series)

The only film I could find that explicitly references an ISMSDE is 
Virtuosity (SID 6.7)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114857/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Still, I'm sure there are others.

I'll just scuttle back to my tardis now :-)

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#32083

FromJeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid>
Date2015-07-18 20:25 -0400
Message-ID<moequv$sh4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#32077
On 07/18/2015 03:48 PM, Eternal Hope wrote:
> There will always be another framework, I could spend my entire life learning frameworks
> all the time getting further and further away from the core language.
>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Prevalence>

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#32085

FromJeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid>
Date2015-07-18 20:44 -0400
Message-ID<moes1h$us1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#32083
On 07/18/2015 08:25 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
> On 07/18/2015 03:48 PM, Eternal Hope wrote:
>> There will always be another framework, I could spend my entire life
>> learning frameworks
>> all the time getting further and further away from the core language.
>>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Prevalence>
>
>

<http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/proliant-servers/product-detail.html?oid=5268290>

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