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Re: Apache, Eclipse, ... Why do they do this?

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  Re: Apache, Eclipse, ... Why do they do this? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-07-03 20:37 -0700
    Re: Apache, Eclipse, ... Why do they do this? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-04 23:05 -0400

#28942 — Re: Apache, Eclipse, ... Why do they do this?

In article <Apache-20140704032235@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>,
 ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:

>   Apache and the Eclipse Foundation work to create libraries
>   and software, and then they give it to you for free. Why are
>   they doing this? Several parties pay for them, for example
>   IBM supports Eclipse (for example, in 2001, they supported
>   Eclipse with 40 million USD), why do they do this? 

A common open source business model is to create incredibly complicated 
and under-documented free libraries then sell support and services for 
them.  It's not always a direct link.  One business may sell support 
while another shovels new code into it.

J2EE and XPath based languages immediately come to mind.  Luckily they 
went out of fashion before I had to suffer through them for too long.

I believe IBM uses Eclipse as the IDE for their "Enterprise" grade stuff.

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On 7/3/2014 11:37 PM, Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> In article <Apache-20140704032235@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>,
>   ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:
>
>>    Apache and the Eclipse Foundation work to create libraries
>>    and software, and then they give it to you for free. Why are
>>    they doing this? Several parties pay for them, for example
>>    IBM supports Eclipse (for example, in 2001, they supported
>>    Eclipse with 40 million USD), why do they do this?
>
> A common open source business model is to create incredibly complicated
> and under-documented free libraries then sell support and services for
> them.  It's not always a direct link.  One business may sell support
> while another shovels new code into it.

Some open source companies live from offering support.

But that fact does not imply that open source is more complicated
or less documented.

Because companies also live from offering support on
closed source.

My impression is that open source is often less documented but also
less complex than commercial offerings.

But no hard rule. Sometimes the exact same software is even
available as both open source and closed source.

> J2EE and XPath based languages immediately come to mind.  Luckily they
> went out of fashion before I had to suffer through them for too long.

I have no idea what "J2EE and XPath based languages" is.

J2EE is a very old name for Java's server side framework,

XPath is a syntax for selecting from XML documents.

Neither are languages.

And both J2EE (under the name Java EE) and XPath are still extremely
popular.

Arne

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