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  Re: The Grand Canyon Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2014-12-07 19:30 -0500
    Re: The Grand Canyon Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2014-12-07 19:48 -0500
      Re: The Grand Canyon Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2014-12-07 21:44 -0500
      Re: The Grand Canyon Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-12-07 20:52 -0600
        Re: The Grand Canyon Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2014-12-07 22:33 -0500
          Re: The Grand Canyon Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2014-12-07 22:39 -0500
            Re: The Grand Canyon Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2014-12-07 22:42 -0500
              Re: The Grand Canyon Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2014-12-07 22:52 -0500
                Re: The Grand Canyon Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2014-12-07 22:58 -0500

#30494 — Re: The Grand Canyon

On 12/07/2014 06:59 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
What's wrong with String.codePoints()?

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#30496

Is there such a thing as a vowel in Unicode?

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#30498

On 12/07/2014 08:08 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> Is there such a thing as a vowel in Unicode?
>
>    The glossary of »unicode.org« has:
>
> »Vowel. In Korean, a jamo character with the
> Hangul_Syllable_Type property value Vowel_Jamo (in the range
> U+1161..U+11A2 or U+1160 hangul jungseong filler).
> Abbreviated as V. (See definition D125 in Section 3.12,
> Conjoining Jamo Behavior.)
>
> Vowel Mark. In many scripts, a mark used to indicate a
> vowel or vowel quality.«
>
<http://chaoschallenge.org/>

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#30499

On 12/7/2014 6:48 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
> Is there such a thing as a vowel in Unicode?

There are five basic kinds of scripts:
* Alphabets (e.g., Latin)
* Abjads (e.g., Arabic)
* Abugidas (e.g., Devanagari)
* Syllabaries (e.g., Hiragana)
* Logographies (e.g., Hanzi)

These scripts are classified in this manner according to how they 
transcribe phonemes--logographs do not correspond phonetically (which is 
why there are thousands of Chinese characters), and syllabaries use a 
separate glyph for every utterable syllable. They're more common for 
relatively simple phonology such as Japanese.

In the other three kinds of scripts, each glyph roughly corresponds to 
an individual phoneme. In alphabets, consonant phonemes and vowel 
phonemes are transcribed as individual letters. In abjads, only 
consonants are transcribed, although vowel marks can be optionally used. 
Abugidas use diacritic forms to mark vowels but don't have distinct 
graphemes like alphabets do.

The term "vowel" is really a phonetic term--vowels are phonemes that 
have an open vocal tract. When we use the term to refer to a letter, 
we're presuming that there is a letter that corresponds to that phonemic 
value. This is really only true for alphabets, and is sort of true for 
abugidas or abjads, although since they're effectively diacritics there, 
which is another interesting issue.

As an aside, I believe there are more abugidas than there are alphabets, 
although the sheer use of the Latin script means that alphabets are the 
most common kind of script if you weight by number of people using the 
script.

-- 
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not 
tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth

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#30500

On 12/07/2014 09:52 PM, Joshua Cranmer 🐧 wrote:
> On 12/7/2014 6:48 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>> Is there such a thing as a vowel in Unicode?
>
> There are five basic kinds of scripts:
[snip] four excellent paragraphs

After reading Stefan Ram's post I spent more time
than I intended around the Wikipedia Vowel entry.

Your post helped to clarify my thoughts on my readings.

Thanks, much appreciated.

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#30501

My favorite paragraph from the above mentioned Wiki.

In rhotic dialects of English, as in Canada and the United States, there 
are many words such as bird, learn, girl, church, worst, wyrm, myrrh 
that some phoneticians analyze as having no vowels, only a syllabic 
consonant /ɹ̩/. However, others analyze these words instead as having a 
rhotic vowel, /ɝː/. The difference may be partially one of dialect.

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#30502

Now I'm wondering how to do an IPA transcription in Stefan's stream.

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#30503

On 12/07/2014 10:42 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>
> Now I'm wondering how to do an IPA transcription in Stefan's stream.
There almost *has* to be a word spliterator involved.

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#30504

On 12/07/2014 10:52 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
> On 12/07/2014 10:42 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>>
>> Now I'm wondering how to do an IPA transcription in Stefan's stream.
> There almost *has* to be a word spliterator involved.
>
Memento for me.
<https://github.com/java8/Java8InAction/raw/master/src/main/java/lambdasinaction/chap7/WordCount.java>

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