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  why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk? mcheung63@gmail.com - 2013-07-02 05:16 -0700
    Re: why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk? Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 15:49 +0300
    Re: why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk? Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2013-07-02 14:54 +0200
      Re: why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk? lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-07-02 14:07 +0100
        Re: why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk? Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2013-07-02 16:14 +0200
          Re: why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-07-02 12:25 -0700
            Re: why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk? Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 22:30 +0300
            Re: why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-07-02 21:44 -0400
              Re: why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk? Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> - 2013-07-03 17:53 +0300
                Re: why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk? Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 19:01 +0300
                Re: why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-07-03 22:31 -0400
                Re: why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-07-04 20:47 +0000
                  Re: why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk? Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-07-04 23:08 +0200
                    Re: why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-07-04 21:42 +0000
                      Re: why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk? Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> - 2013-07-05 08:58 +0300
                      Re: why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk? Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-07-05 10:54 +0200

#24578 — why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk?

hi all 

   why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk?

/root>uname -a
Linux peter-ubuntu 3.8.0-19-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 1 16:35:23 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
/root>java -version
java version "1.7.0_21"
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea 2.3.9) (7u21-2.3.9-1ubuntu1)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.7-b01, mixed mode)

thanks
from Peter (cmk128@hotmail.com)

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#24580

On 02/07/13 15:16, mcheung63@gmail.com wrote:
> hi all
>
>     why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk?
>
> /root>uname -a
> Linux peter-ubuntu 3.8.0-19-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 1 16:35:23 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

I see a 64Bit kernel. Note the x86_64.

So probably you have ubuntu 64 bit? ;-)


Regards,
   Sven

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#24581

On 07/02/2013 02:16 PM, mcheung63@gmail.com wrote:
> hi all
>
>     why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk?
>
> /root>uname -a
> Linux peter-ubuntu 3.8.0-19-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 1 16:35:23 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> /root>java -version
> java version "1.7.0_21"
> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea 2.3.9) (7u21-2.3.9-1ubuntu1)
> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.7-b01, mixed mode)
>
> thanks
> from Peter (cmk128@hotmail.com)
>

Ubuntu is a Java application. Once you installed 64 bit Java your Ubuntu 
system became 64 bit as well...

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#24582

On 02/07/13 13:54, Silvio wrote:
> On 07/02/2013 02:16 PM, mcheung63@gmail.com wrote:
>> hi all
>>
>>     why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk?
>>
>> /root>uname -a
>> Linux peter-ubuntu 3.8.0-19-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 1 16:35:23
>> UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>> /root>java -version
>> java version "1.7.0_21"
>> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea 2.3.9) (7u21-2.3.9-1ubuntu1)
>> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.7-b01, mixed mode)
>>
>> thanks
>> from Peter (cmk128@hotmail.com)
>>
>
> Ubuntu is a Java application. Once you installed 64 bit Java your Ubuntu
> system became 64 bit as well...

You're kidding right?

Is it April 1st

lipska

-- 
Lipska the Kat©: Troll hunter, sandbox destroyer
and farscape dreamer of Aeryn Sun

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#24583

On 07/02/2013 03:07 PM, lipska the kat wrote:
> On 02/07/13 13:54, Silvio wrote:
>> On 07/02/2013 02:16 PM, mcheung63@gmail.com wrote:
>>> hi all
>>>
>>>     why 32 bit ubuntu can install 64 bit openjdk?
>>>
>>> /root>uname -a
>>> Linux peter-ubuntu 3.8.0-19-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 1 16:35:23
>>> UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>> /root>java -version
>>> java version "1.7.0_21"
>>> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea 2.3.9) (7u21-2.3.9-1ubuntu1)
>>> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.7-b01, mixed mode)
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> from Peter (cmk128@hotmail.com)
>>>
>>
>> Ubuntu is a Java application. Once you installed 64 bit Java your Ubuntu
>> system became 64 bit as well...
>
> You're kidding right?
>
> Is it April 1st
>
> lipska
>

Of course I am. The OPs system information states its 64-bitness three 
times so I was just indirectly telling him to look a bit harder.

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#24596

On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 16:14:33 +0200, Silvio <silvio@internet.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

>Of course I am. The OPs system information states its 64-bitness three 
>times so I was just indirectly telling him to look a bit harder.

I would think it plausible an OS installer would automatically choose
64 bit if there is 4+ MB of RAM. What should he type to find out what
he has?
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com
Getting information off the Internet is 
like taking a drink from a fire hydrant.
~ Mitch Kapor 1950-11-01

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#24597

On 02/07/13 22:25, Roedy Green wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 16:14:33 +0200, Silvio <silvio@internet.com>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
>> Of course I am. The OPs system information states its 64-bitness three
>> times so I was just indirectly telling him to look a bit harder.
>
> I would think it plausible an OS installer would automatically choose
> 64 bit if there is 4+ MB of RAM. What should he type to find out what
> he has?

He already typed "uname -a" which gave him all the information he could 
wish for in this case. In particular, the output told him that his 
kernel was a 64bit kernel.

It is possible to run odd combinations of a 64Bit kernel and a 32 Bit 
userland. However, to the best of my knowledge Ubuntu doesn't support 
that. Hence, we should assume that he runs 64Bit userland. Hence, 
apt-get installed the 64bit openjdk.


Regards,
   Sven

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#24603

On 7/2/2013 3:25 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 16:14:33 +0200, Silvio <silvio@internet.com>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
>> Of course I am. The OPs system information states its 64-bitness three
>> times so I was just indirectly telling him to look a bit harder.
>
> I would think it plausible an OS installer would automatically choose
> 64 bit if there is 4+ MB of RAM.

That would be very stupid.

As a 64 bit Java would not run on a 32 bit OS with more than 4 GB of
memory.

>                                   What should he type to find out what
> he has?

That was actually part of OP's post!

Arne

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#24613

Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:
> On 7/2/2013 3:25 PM, Roedy Green wrote:

>> I would think it plausible an OS installer would automatically choose
>> 64 bit if there is 4+ MB of RAM.

> That would be very stupid.
> As a 64 bit Java would not run on a 32 bit OS with more than 4 GB of
> memory.

There wouldn't BE a 32 bit OS with more than 4 GB of memory, if the OS
installer would automatically choose a 64 bit version.

-- 
Jukka Lahtinen

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#24614

On 03/07/13 17:53, Jukka Lahtinen wrote:
> Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:
>> On 7/2/2013 3:25 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>
>>> I would think it plausible an OS installer would automatically choose
>>> 64 bit if there is 4+ MB of RAM.
>
>> That would be very stupid.
>> As a 64 bit Java would not run on a 32 bit OS with more than 4 GB of
>> memory.
>
> There wouldn't BE a 32 bit OS with more than 4 GB of memory, if the OS
> installer would automatically choose a 64 bit version.

Arne understood the comment of Roedy differently: he thinks that Roedy 
meant package manager when saying "OS installer". In result, Arne 
thought was thinking that Roedy was suggesting that the package manager 
should install 64Bit Java if RAM > 4GB.

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#24616

On 7/3/2013 10:53 AM, Jukka Lahtinen wrote:
> Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:
>> On 7/2/2013 3:25 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>
>>> I would think it plausible an OS installer would automatically choose
>>> 64 bit if there is 4+ MB of RAM.
>
>> That would be very stupid.
>> As a 64 bit Java would not run on a 32 bit OS with more than 4 GB of
>> memory.
>
> There wouldn't BE a 32 bit OS with more than 4 GB of memory, if the OS
> installer would automatically choose a 64 bit version.

Roedy's wording is a bit "fuzzy".

But given the topic of the thread "why a 64 bit JDK can be installed
on 32 bit OS" then I assumed that it was about installing Java not
about installing Linux.

Furthermore I believe with Ubuntu you explicit pick 32 or 64
bit version to install.

But given the post Roedy did reply to then it could be Linux
he meant.

Arne

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#24629

On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 17:53:50 +0300, Jukka Lahtinen wrote:

> There wouldn't BE a 32 bit OS with more than 4 GB of memory, if the OS
> installer would automatically choose a 64 bit version.
>
Of course there could. If you want that, you just run a Linux PAE kernel 
on 64 bit hardware. Each process runs in 32 bit task space with the 
kernel looking after the higher order buts in the address registers.

If you have 32 bit code that you need to run, this will do it. And, if 
you have no need to run freshly compiled processes with multi gigabyte 
memory requirements, they'll run too and be a bit smaller thanks to their 
shorter addresses.


-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#24632

On Thu, 4 Jul 2013 20:47:54 +0000 (UTC), Martin Gregorie wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 17:53:50 +0300, Jukka Lahtinen wrote:
>> There wouldn't BE a 32 bit OS with more than 4 GB of memory, if the OS
>> installer would automatically choose a 64 bit version.
> Of course there could. If you want that, you just run a Linux PAE kernel 
> on 64 bit hardware.

How would you run a PAE kernel if a 64 bit kernel was automatically
installed ? While what you said is true, you don't seem to have read what
you responded to.

Liebe Gruesse,
		Joerg

-- 
Ich lese meine Emails nicht, replies to Email bleiben also leider
ungelesen.

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#24637

On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 23:08:01 +0200, Joerg Meier wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Jul 2013 20:47:54 +0000 (UTC), Martin Gregorie wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 17:53:50 +0300, Jukka Lahtinen wrote:
>>> There wouldn't BE a 32 bit OS with more than 4 GB of memory, if the OS
>>> installer would automatically choose a 64 bit version.
>> Of course there could. If you want that, you just run a Linux PAE
>> kernel on 64 bit hardware.
> 
> How would you run a PAE kernel if a 64 bit kernel was automatically
> installed ? While what you said is true, you don't seem to have read
> what you responded to.
>
Huh? IIRC it is the JRE that's being automatically installed, not the 
kernel. If the installer is any good, it should recognise that its 
dealing with a PAE kernel and install a 32 bit JRE. However, as the OP is 
actually using a 64bit kernel, not surprisingly, he got a 64 bit JRE 
installed.

In any case, I was deliberately OTT because I was explaining to Sven that 
its perfectly possible to run a 32 bit OS on 64bit iron and not entirely 
stupid to do it either.


Cheers,
Martin
 

-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#24643

Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> writes:
> On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 23:08:01 +0200, Joerg Meier wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 Jul 2013 20:47:54 +0000 (UTC), Martin Gregorie wrote:
>>> On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 17:53:50 +0300, Jukka Lahtinen wrote:
>>>> There wouldn't BE a 32 bit OS with more than 4 GB of memory, if the OS
>>>> installer would automatically choose a 64 bit version.
>>> Of course there could. If you want that, you just run a Linux PAE
>>> kernel on 64 bit hardware.
>> 
>> How would you run a PAE kernel if a 64 bit kernel was automatically
>> installed ? While what you said is true, you don't seem to have read
>> what you responded to.
>>
> Huh? IIRC it is the JRE that's being automatically installed, not the 
> kernel. If the installer is any good, it should recognise that its 

The OS installer installs the OS, and if it has chosen a 64-bit version,
there will be no PAE kernel installed.
OTOH, you often choose the OS version (including bitness) by choosing 
a specific installation media, and that is done before starting
the installer.

-- 
Jukka Lahtinen

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#24646

On Thu, 4 Jul 2013 21:42:58 +0000 (UTC), Martin Gregorie wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 23:08:01 +0200, Joerg Meier wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 Jul 2013 20:47:54 +0000 (UTC), Martin Gregorie wrote:
>>> On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 17:53:50 +0300, Jukka Lahtinen wrote:
>>>> There wouldn't BE a 32 bit OS with more than 4 GB of memory, if the OS
>>>> installer would automatically choose a 64 bit version.
>>> Of course there could. If you want that, you just run a Linux PAE
>>> kernel on 64 bit hardware.
>> How would you run a PAE kernel if a 64 bit kernel was automatically
>> installed ? While what you said is true, you don't seem to have read
>> what you responded to.
> Huh? IIRC it is the JRE that's being automatically installed, not the 
> kernel. If the installer is any good, it should recognise that its 
> dealing with a PAE kernel and install a 32 bit JRE. However, as the OP is 
> actually using a 64bit kernel, not surprisingly, he got a 64 bit JRE 
> installed.

If you read what Jukka said, it's clear that he is talking about the thing
that installs the OS, because otherwise his sentences doesn't even make
internal logical sense - if he was talking about an application installer,
how would that have any effect on what OS would be installed ?

> In any case, I was deliberately OTT because I was explaining to Sven that 
> its perfectly possible to run a 32 bit OS on 64bit iron and not entirely 
> stupid to do it either.

Which is why I added "While what you said is true".

Liebe Gruesse,
		Joerg

-- 
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ungelesen.

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