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| Started by | w.tom.adams@gmail.com |
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| First post | 2014-07-02 10:41 -0700 |
| Last post | 2014-07-14 13:39 +0100 |
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How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-02 10:41 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-02 14:01 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-02 21:14 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-02 23:00 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-03 06:01 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-03 08:54 -0500
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-06 12:20 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-03 10:27 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-11 21:30 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-11 18:22 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-12 23:19 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-11 17:34 -0500
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-12 23:21 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-06 12:23 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 09:59 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:28 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-08 12:37 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-07-09 19:33 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-09 20:01 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-07-10 20:24 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:30 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-06 12:12 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-05 16:24 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-03 06:37 +0800
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-03 06:07 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-03 06:13 -0700
News Reader (was: Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly) Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-07-04 08:02 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-03 21:07 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-07-04 02:55 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-06 12:26 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2014-07-11 19:43 -0500
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-11 20:58 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-11 22:29 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-11 23:01 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 11:00 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2014-07-11 23:13 -0500
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 11:07 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-07-14 13:11 +0100
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2014-07-14 18:36 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-07-14 19:32 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:09 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:03 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-08-19 22:18 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:43 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-08-20 06:50 +0800
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 19:01 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-12 13:47 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 11:08 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 00:36 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 21:03 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 01:24 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:12 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-08-19 21:23 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-08-20 10:31 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-08-21 06:17 +0800
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 22:46 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 23:23 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-15 10:49 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 13:13 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:21 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-08-19 21:27 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-08-20 10:32 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:17 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 11:04 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-13 07:30 +0800
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 03:15 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-13 10:49 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-13 10:55 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-14 06:48 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 08:16 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-08-15 06:29 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 15:54 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-05 16:20 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-05 16:22 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-07 10:28 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-07 17:29 +0800
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-07 11:54 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 10:01 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-08 12:21 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 11:02 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-08 13:13 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 12:27 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-08 14:28 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 12:36 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-08 08:58 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 13:21 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-09 13:11 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-09 11:48 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2014-07-10 14:10 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly castal00n <casta-.l00n_3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 12:22 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 15:57 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2014-07-10 18:09 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 16:32 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2014-07-10 19:20 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 17:32 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-11 21:31 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-11 22:45 +0000
[OT] posting histories? (was Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly) blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-12 23:24 +0000
Re: [OT] posting histories? (was Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly) ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 00:38 +0000
Re: [OT] posting histories? (was Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly) blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 22:44 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:41 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 18:50 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 19:44 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 23:50 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:34 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:33 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 18:40 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:45 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 18:51 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-10 17:14 -0500
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 22:20 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-10 18:47 -0500
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 23:51 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 19:46 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 23:54 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-07-14 13:32 +0100
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 18:37 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-08 09:00 -0500
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-08 21:40 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-08 15:03 -0500
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-09 00:28 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:31 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-11 12:33 +0200
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-11 11:01 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-07-11 12:15 -0700
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:27 -0400
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-08-19 21:29 +0000
Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-07-14 13:39 +0100
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-08-19 16:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53f3aee6$0$301$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #29101 |
On 7/14/2014 1:32 PM, Robert Klemme wrote: > On 14.07.2014 18:36, Thomas Richter wrote: > >> Java on the desktop is already dead, it died a long time ago. > > My Eclipse is pretty alive and kickin'. Tools for IT pro's are often done in Java if either it is a tool within the Java world or easy (read: cheap) port to other platforms is desired. Eclipse meets both criteria. DB2 management tools are another example. But among the widely used consumer applications (web browsers, email clients, office package, drawing programs, games etc.) then Java UI is somewhat rare (even though a few examples can be found). Arne
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-08-19 16:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53f3ada9$0$301$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #29100 |
On 7/14/2014 12:36 PM, Thomas Richter wrote: > On 14.07.2014 14:11, Chris Uppal wrote: >> But of course, there's no reason to suppose that control over the >> desktop (or >> whatever) is necessary to the survival of either Oracle or Java. > > Exactly. Use has been found for java in multiple ways, but it's not the > desktop. JavaFX is just a stupid idea - it does not solve a single > problem java has. The fact that JavaFX will not take over the desktop market, does not make a newer and more modern GUI technology a stupid idea. One just needs to adjust expectations. Arne
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| From | Silvio <silvio@internet.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-19 22:18 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <53f3b12d$0$2858$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #29731 |
On 08/19/2014 10:03 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 7/14/2014 12:36 PM, Thomas Richter wrote: >> On 14.07.2014 14:11, Chris Uppal wrote: >>> But of course, there's no reason to suppose that control over the >>> desktop (or >>> whatever) is necessary to the survival of either Oracle or Java. >> >> Exactly. Use has been found for java in multiple ways, but it's not the >> desktop. JavaFX is just a stupid idea - it does not solve a single >> problem java has. > > The fact that JavaFX will not take over the desktop market, does > not make a newer and more modern GUI technology a stupid idea. One > just needs to adjust expectations. > > Arne > > I disagree. Since Java's future does not lie on the desktop I think introducing JavaFX was merely disruptive. OTOH, Sun came up with it when Flash and Silverlight made it look like a good idea. It should have been ditched as soon as it became apparent that they too did not have a future. For what is or has already been done with Java on the desktop Swing was and is more than adequate. Now FX is just throwing people off and pushing them in the wrong direction when they start new projects.
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-08-19 16:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53f3b6fc$0$291$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #29735 |
On 8/19/2014 4:18 PM, Silvio wrote: > On 08/19/2014 10:03 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> On 7/14/2014 12:36 PM, Thomas Richter wrote: >>> On 14.07.2014 14:11, Chris Uppal wrote: >>>> But of course, there's no reason to suppose that control over the >>>> desktop (or >>>> whatever) is necessary to the survival of either Oracle or Java. >>> >>> Exactly. Use has been found for java in multiple ways, but it's not the >>> desktop. JavaFX is just a stupid idea - it does not solve a single >>> problem java has. >> >> The fact that JavaFX will not take over the desktop market, does >> not make a newer and more modern GUI technology a stupid idea. One >> just needs to adjust expectations. > > I disagree. Since Java's future does not lie on the desktop I think > introducing JavaFX was merely disruptive. OTOH, Sun came up with it when > Flash and Silverlight made it look like a good idea. It should have been > ditched as soon as it became apparent that they too did not have a future. > > For what is or has already been done with Java on the desktop Swing was > and is more than adequate. Now FX is just throwing people off and > pushing them in the wrong direction when they start new projects. I do not agree with the idea that Java should not evolve outside the area where its future lies (read: make the money). Sure 99% or 95% (depending on whether you count Android as Java or not) of Java development are within the server segment (usually Java EE). But developers learning Java does not start learning Java EE. They start making Java SE applications. If they see the Java desktop GUI technology as being 10-15 years outdated, then Java get the reputation of being outdated - also known as "the new Cobol". If SUN 6-7 years ago had been able to look into the future and seen that RIA would be surpassed by "HTML5" and Android would become the mobile device standard, then maybe they should just have given Swing a major facelift instead of starting JavaFX. Developers is also a limited resource within the Java SE team. But SUN and everybody else could not see into the future. Adobe invested in Flex. MS invested in Silverlight. And SUN/Oracle invested in JavaFX. Now we are where we are. And I think Java developers should be happy that they got JavaFX. It is a a very nice framework. It will give developers learning Java something modern that will not make them think of Cobol. Those in the niche that actually do write Java desktop apps get a new much better tool. I definitely consider going JavaFX to be the right direction, *if* you need to do a desktop app in Java. Arne
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| From | Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-20 06:50 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <lt0kbv$h2s$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #29738 |
On 8/20/2014 4:43 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > > I definitely consider going JavaFX to be the right direction, *if* you > need to do a desktop app in Java. And what people are telling you is that is a huge IF! What I say is that Applets still augment and bring incredible functionality to the only statistically significant GUI and that is HTML CSS and Javascript.
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-08-19 19:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53f3d763$0$303$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #29749 |
On 8/19/2014 6:50 PM, Richard Maher wrote: > On 8/20/2014 4:43 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> I definitely consider going JavaFX to be the right direction, *if* you >> need to do a desktop app in Java. > > And what people are telling you is that is a huge IF! Yes - as explained in several other posts, then Java desktop apps is not a big market. But I like a good framework no matter whether it is a big or a small market. And I can certainly not see a reason to stick to the old framework when a new and better show up. And as I also explained - besides the market the GUI framework also impacts the perception of Java. Arne
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| From | ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-12 13:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lpre9b$3fn$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #29062 |
In article JavaFX-20140712051556@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de, Stefan Ram said... > »the days of the RIA« »are long gone« What is the RIA?
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-07-12 11:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53c14f85$0$294$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #29070 |
On 7/12/2014 9:47 AM, ĵess stone wrote: > In article JavaFX-20140712051556@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de, Stefan Ram > said... >> »the days of the RIA« »are long gone« > > What is the RIA? Why not Google it. There are several terms abbreviated RIA but only one that are relevant for Java GUI frameworks. Arne
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| From | ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-13 00:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lpskao$scl$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #29075 |
In article 53c14f85$0$294$14726298@news.sunsite.dk, Arne Vajhøj said... > On 7/12/2014 9:47 AM, ĵess stone wrote: >> In article JavaFX-20140712051556@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de, Stefan Ram >> said... >>> »the days of the RIA« »are long gone« >> >> What is the RIA? > > Why not Google it. Why not tell me? It's obviously not a state secret, not if Googling it could possibly avail me of anything...
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-07-12 21:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53c1daf4$0$293$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #29081 |
On 7/12/2014 8:36 PM, ĵess stone wrote: > In article 53c14f85$0$294$14726298@news.sunsite.dk, Arne Vajhøj said... > >> On 7/12/2014 9:47 AM, ĵess stone wrote: >>> In article JavaFX-20140712051556@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de, Stefan Ram >>> said... >>>> »the days of the RIA« »are long gone« >>> >>> What is the RIA? >> >> Why not Google it. > > Why not tell me? It's obviously not a state secret, not if Googling it > could possibly avail me of anything... You will be way better of by learning to Google such stuff instead of asking for it. But if you insist: Rich Internet Application. Arne
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| From | ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-13 01:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lpsn4i$22t$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #29083 |
In article 53c1daf4$0$293$14726298@news.sunsite.dk, Arne Vajhøj said... >>> Why not Google it. >> >> Why not tell me? It's obviously not a state secret, not if Googling it >> could possibly avail me of anything... > > You will be way better of by learning to Google such stuff instead of > asking for it. How patronizing of you. Once again, let me rattle off the reasons why you're wrong: 1. Google isn't a mind-reader. There are probably lots of things called "RIA". 2. Why should I have to go to extra effort to understand a post, instead of the author going to extra effort to be easily understood? 3. Duplication of effort: the writer saves a few keystrokes and maybe ten seconds of his time. Meanwhile everyone else loses whole minutes, to either asking for clarification and waiting for a response or starting a browser, waiting ages for it to appear and become fully responsive, doing a search, and then trying to interpret the results to come up with a best guess as to what might have been meant. 4. At the end of which, each reader has exactly that: a guess. While the poster knows FOR SURE what was meant and so would everyone else if he just said so. 5. The author will be way better OFF learning to express himself for maximum understandability, NOT maximum conciseness. > But if you insist: Rich Internet Application. Thank you.
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-08-19 16:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53f3afc0$0$296$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #29084 |
On 7/12/2014 9:24 PM, ĵess stone wrote: > In article 53c1daf4$0$293$14726298@news.sunsite.dk, Arne Vajhøj said... > >>>> Why not Google it. >>> >>> Why not tell me? It's obviously not a state secret, not if Googling it >>> could possibly avail me of anything... >> >> You will be way better of by learning to Google such stuff instead of >> asking for it. > > How patronizing of you. > > Once again, let me rattle off the reasons why you're wrong: > > 1. Google isn't a mind-reader. There are probably lots of things called > "RIA". Absolutely. > 2. Why should I have to go to extra effort to understand a post, instead > of the author going to extra effort to be easily understood? Assuming certain basic skills at the readers allow for more efficient communication. > 3. Duplication of effort: the writer saves a few keystrokes and maybe ten > seconds of his time. Meanwhile everyone else loses whole minutes, No. Only a few people did not know it. > to > either asking for clarification and waiting for a response Well - that is a waste of time. But I will not blame the one using the acronym for that. > 4. At the end of which, each reader has exactly that: a guess. While the > poster knows FOR SURE what was meant and so would everyone else if he > just said so. There is only one meaning of RIA that fit the context. Arne
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| From | ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-19 21:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lt0f99$5qe$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #29733 |
In article 53f3afc0$0$296$14726298@news.sunsite.dk, Arne Vajhøj said... > On 7/12/2014 9:24 PM, ĵess stone wrote: >> Once again, let me rattle off the reasons why you're wrong: >> >> 1. Google isn't a mind-reader. There are probably lots of things called >> "RIA". > > Absolutely. Well, there you go, then. >> 2. Why should I have to go to extra effort to understand a post, >> instead of the author going to extra effort to be easily understood? > > [implied insult deleted] No. None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at all true. >> 3. Duplication of effort: the writer saves a few keystrokes and maybe >> ten seconds of his time. Meanwhile everyone else loses whole >> minutes, > > [calls me a liar] No! None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at all true. > Well - that is a waste of time. But I will not blame the one using the > acronym for that. Of course you won't, since otherwise you would have to admit that you were wrong. >> 4. At the end of which, each reader has exactly that: a guess. While >> the poster knows FOR SURE what was meant and so would everyone else >> if he just said so. > > [calls me a liar] No! None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at all true.
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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2014-08-20 10:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1cm9v954gmkjcpbnfbh6j7v2kdtntp3vn5@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #29733 |
On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 16:12:41 -0400, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
wrote:
>On 7/12/2014 9:24 PM, ?ess stone wrote:
>> In article 53c1daf4$0$293$14726298@news.sunsite.dk, Arne Vajhøj said...
>>
>>>>> Why not Google it.
>>>>
>>>> Why not tell me? It's obviously not a state secret, not if Googling it
>>>> could possibly avail me of anything...
>>>
>>> You will be way better of by learning to Google such stuff instead of
>>> asking for it.
>>
>> How patronizing of you.
>>
>> Once again, let me rattle off the reasons why you're wrong:
>>
>> 1. Google isn't a mind-reader. There are probably lots of things called
>> "RIA".
>
>Absolutely.
And sorting through the list is time-consuming.
>> 2. Why should I have to go to extra effort to understand a post, instead
>> of the author going to extra effort to be easily understood?
>
>Assuming certain basic skills at the readers allow for more efficient
>communication.
Until there is a problem. Then, things get messy.
Read a newspaper. If it is anything like the ones I read,
abbreviations will quite often be spelled out the first time if there
is much doubt at all, as in:
"ABC (Acronym Builders Corp.) announced Tuesday that ..."
>> 3. Duplication of effort: the writer saves a few keystrokes and maybe ten
>> seconds of his time. Meanwhile everyone else loses whole minutes,
>
>No. Only a few people did not know it.
I am picking up your post after a while, and I can not think of
what RIA stands for. If I had to reply to the subject, I would not be
able to.
>> either asking for clarification and waiting for a response
>
>Well - that is a waste of time. But I will not blame the one using the
>acronym for that.
>
>> 4. At the end of which, each reader has exactly that: a guess. While the
>> poster knows FOR SURE what was meant and so would everyone else if he
>> just said so.
>
>There is only one meaning of RIA that fit the context.
What is that? Google gave me something that might be it (Rich
Internet Applications). I have never seen the term before, and I do
not know that that is it. Even if I guessed right, I do not know that
I did get it right.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| From | Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-21 06:17 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <lt36pi$b9l$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #29768 |
On 8/21/2014 1:31 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: > > What is that? Google gave me something that might be it (Rich > Internet Applications). I have never seen the term before, and I do > not know that that is it. Even if I guessed right, I do not know that > I did get it right. > It is not surprising and certainly not uncommon that Java people do not know what RIA is.
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| From | blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 22:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c2j4ubFc6erU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #29083 |
In article <53c1daf4$0$293$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote: > On 7/12/2014 8:36 PM, ĵess stone wrote: > > In article 53c14f85$0$294$14726298@news.sunsite.dk, Arne Vajhøj said... > > > >> On 7/12/2014 9:47 AM, ĵess stone wrote: > >>> In article JavaFX-20140712051556@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de, Stefan Ram > >>> said... > >>>> »the days of the RIA« »are long gone« > >>> > >>> What is the RIA? > >> > >> Why not Google it. > > > > Why not tell me? It's obviously not a state secret, not if Googling it > > could possibly avail me of anything... > > > You will be way better of by learning to Google such stuff instead of > asking for it. > > But if you insist: Rich Internet Application. > For what it's worth, when I tried a Google search on "RIA" I didn't get this meaning in the first couple of screenfuls' worth of hits. It popped right up, though, when I added "Java" as a second screen term. Do you get a different result? So, much as I hate to agree with anything said by The Poster Of Many Names, I think he might have a point in this case. -- B. L. Massingill ObDisclaimer: I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.
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| From | ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 23:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lq1oq4$5i4$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #29104 |
In article c2j4ubFc6erU2@mid.individual.net, blmblm@myrealbox.com said... > For what it's worth, when I tried a Google search on "RIA" I didn't get > this meaning in the first couple of screenfuls' worth of hits. Well, there you go, then. A lot of people keep claiming that Google can answer questions like these. It can't. The most it can do is turn it into a multiple-choice quiz ... one whose correct answer may well be "none of the above". > So, much as [implied insult deleted] The Poster Of Many Names, None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at all true. > I think he might have a point in this case. Of course I do. I always have a point. ;)
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| From | Silvio <silvio@internet.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-15 10:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <53c4eb34$0$2883$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #29105 |
On 07/15/2014 01:23 AM, ĵess stone wrote: > In article c2j4ubFc6erU2@mid.individual.net, blmblm@myrealbox.com said... > >> For what it's worth, when I tried a Google search on "RIA" I didn't get >> this meaning in the first couple of screenfuls' worth of hits. > > Well, there you go, then. > > A lot of people keep claiming that Google can answer questions like > these. It can't. The most it can do is turn it into a multiple-choice > quiz ... one whose correct answer may well be "none of the above". > >> So, much as [implied insult deleted] The Poster Of Many Names, > > None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at > all true. > >> I think he might have a point in this case. > > Of course I do. I always have a point. ;) > You do not have a point and you don't have a clue either. If you intend to take part in discussions here you should make sure you read up on contemporary topics. You can not expect everyone to spell out what IDE, RDBMS, ORM and ROTFLMAO means just because some clueless visitor might not be familiar with common acronyms. OTOH (on the other hand, if you will) many Java programmers tend to be late to games so perhaps we should be a little more explicit in this NG (Newsgroup).
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| From | ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-15 13:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lq39dd$c7p$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #29106 |
In article 53c4eb34$0$2883$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl, Silvio said... > On 07/15/2014 01:23 AM, ĵess stone wrote: > >> Of course I do. I always have a point. ;) > > You [insult deleted] and you [insult deleted]. If you intend > to take part in discussions here you [implied insult deleted]. You can > not expect everyone to spell out what IDE, RDBMS, ORM and ROTFLMAO > means just because some [insult deleted] might not be familiar with > common acronyms. None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at all true. Common acronyms are not at issue here (indeed, I know what all of the ones you listed are). Rather, it is obscure abbreviations that are at issue, i.e., ones that are *not* widely recognized. > OTOH ([implied insult deleted]) many Java programmers tend to be > [insult deleted] so perhaps we should be a little more explicit in this > NG ([implied insult deleted]). None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at all true.
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-08-19 16:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53f3b1d6$0$293$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #29108 |
On 7/15/2014 9:13 AM, ĵess stone wrote: > In article 53c4eb34$0$2883$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl, Silvio said... >> On 07/15/2014 01:23 AM, ĵess stone wrote: >>> Of course I do. I always have a point. ;) >> You can >> not expect everyone to spell out what IDE, RDBMS, ORM and ROTFLMAO >> means just because some [insult deleted] might not be familiar with >> common acronyms. > > None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at > all true. > > Common acronyms are not at issue here (indeed, I know what all of the > ones you listed are). Rather, it is obscure abbreviations that are at > issue, i.e., ones that are *not* widely recognized. RIA is extremely widely recognized. It is used in IT magazines, blogs, vendor technical articles etc. - all over the web. Developers with an interest in web technology should know such a term. Arne
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