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Java printing Margins

Started byRoedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid>
First post2014-06-02 09:20 -0700
Last post2014-06-05 12:47 -0700
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  Java printing Margins Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-06-02 09:20 -0700
    Re: Java printing Margins Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-06-02 09:38 -0700
    Re: Java printing Margins Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-06-02 09:51 -0700
    Re: Java printing Margins Knute Johnson <eternal@knutejohnson.com> - 2014-06-02 13:15 -0700
      Re: Java printing Margins Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-06-03 11:04 -0700
        Re: Java printing Margins Knute Johnson <eternal@knutejohnson.com> - 2014-06-04 20:25 -0700
          Re: Java printing Margins Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-06-08 06:17 -0700
            Re: Java printing Margins Knute Johnson <eternal@knutejohnson.com> - 2014-06-08 14:09 -0700
              Re: Java printing Margins Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-06-08 22:40 +0000
                Re: Java printing Margins Knute Johnson <eternal@knutejohnson.com> - 2014-06-09 07:26 -0700
                  Re: Java printing Margins Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-06-09 16:10 +0000
                    Re: Java printing Margins Knute Johnson <eternal@knutejohnson.com> - 2014-06-09 11:41 -0700
                      Re: Java printing Margins Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-06-09 22:02 +0000
                        Re: Java printing Margins Knute Johnson <eternal@knutejohnson.com> - 2014-06-09 15:56 -0700
        Re: Java printing Margins Knute Johnson <eternal@knutejohnson.com> - 2014-06-04 20:27 -0700
          Re: Java printing Margins Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2014-06-05 19:56 -0400
            Re: Java printing Margins Knute Johnson <eternal@knutejohnson.com> - 2014-06-05 20:38 -0700
          Re: Java printing Margins Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-06-08 06:19 -0700
            Re: Java printing Margins Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-06-08 15:49 +0000
              Re: Java printing Margins Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2014-06-08 22:50 -0400
                Re: Java printing Margins Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2014-06-08 23:32 -0400
                  Re: Java printing Margins Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-06-09 15:30 +0000
                    Re: Java printing Margins Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2014-06-09 13:29 -0400
                      Re: Java printing Margins Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2014-06-09 14:00 -0400
                        Re: Java printing Margins Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2014-06-09 14:16 -0400
                          Re: Java printing Margins markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2014-06-09 14:04 -0700
                            Re: Java printing Margins Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2014-06-09 17:38 -0400
    Re: Java printing Margins Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-06-03 11:36 -0700
      Re: Java printing Margins Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-06-05 12:47 -0700

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#28687

FromJeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid>
Date2014-06-08 23:32 -0400
Message-ID<ln3a4i$f2c$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28686
On 06/08/2014 10:50 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
> On 06/08/2014 11:49 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> Are there any Java classes that support IPP?
> java+ipp brings up cups4j, ippclient, jspi and
> <http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/jps/spec/JPSTOC.fm.html>.
>
I'd be interested in seeing a PrintService that returned a 
MediaPrintableArea
among its supported Attributes, even if the MediaPrintableArea class docs
state that "IPP Compatibility: MediaPrintableArea is not an IPP attribute."

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#28689

FromMartin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Date2014-06-09 15:30 +0000
Message-ID<ln4jv2$bvm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28687
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 23:32:40 -0400, Jeff Higgins wrote:

> On 06/08/2014 10:50 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>> On 06/08/2014 11:49 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>>> Are there any Java classes that support IPP?
>> java+ipp brings up cups4j, ippclient, jspi and
>> <http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/jps/spec/
JPSTOC.fm.html>.
>>
> I'd be interested in seeing a PrintService that returned a
> MediaPrintableArea among its supported Attributes, even if the
> MediaPrintableArea class docs state that "IPP Compatibility:
> MediaPrintableArea is not an IPP attribute."

LibreOffice + CUPS only shows the following printer properties: 

paper size,orientation,duplex,paper tray

for my HP Laserjet 5. I just tried printing a page with all margins set 
to zero, expecting that at least one or two characters would be cut off 
on the left margin but, no, it just left a (guessed 4mm margin all round. 

I can't tell if CUPS knows what the required margins are for an LJ5. 
However, something seems to have decided to use the printable
area rather than the physical page size and to have centred it on the 
physical page. The only think I know for sure is that the CUPS client, 
i.e. Libre Office, knew nothing about required minimal margins. If it did 
know that, then I'd have expected to refuse to set zero margin widths.

My guess, and thats all it is, is that Java would do the same if I'd been 
running an application that printed through cups4j or one of the other 
classes you listed.
 

-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#28691

FromJeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid>
Date2014-06-09 13:29 -0400
Message-ID<ln4r6b$kfv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28689
On 06/09/2014 11:30 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 23:32:40 -0400, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>
>> On 06/08/2014 10:50 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>>> On 06/08/2014 11:49 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>>>> Are there any Java classes that support IPP?
>>> java+ipp brings up cups4j, ippclient, jspi and
>>> <http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/jps/spec/
> JPSTOC.fm.html>.
>>>
>> I'd be interested in seeing a PrintService that returned a
>> MediaPrintableArea among its supported Attributes, even if the
>> MediaPrintableArea class docs state that "IPP Compatibility:
>> MediaPrintableArea is not an IPP attribute."
>
> LibreOffice + CUPS only shows the following printer properties:
>
> paper size,orientation,duplex,paper tray
>
> for my HP Laserjet 5. I just tried printing a page with all margins set
> to zero, expecting that at least one or two characters would be cut off
> on the left margin but, no, it just left a (guessed 4mm margin all round.
>
> I can't tell if CUPS knows what the required margins are for an LJ5.
> However, something seems to have decided to use the printable
> area rather than the physical page size and to have centred it on the
> physical page. The only think I know for sure is that the CUPS client,
> i.e. Libre Office, knew nothing about required minimal margins. If it did
> know that, then I'd have expected to refuse to set zero margin widths.
>
> My guess, and thats all it is, is that Java would do the same if I'd been
> running an application that printed through cups4j or one of the other
> classes you listed.
>
>
Intersting site, especially the section titled
"PDF is the standard print job format from CUPS 1.6.x on".
<http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/group>
Thanks to all for the prompting.

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#28692

FromJeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid>
Date2014-06-09 14:00 -0400
Message-ID<ln4t06$2uo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28691
On 06/09/2014 01:29 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
> Intersting site, especially the section titled
> "PDF is the standard print job format from CUPS 1.6.x on".
> <http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/group>
> Thanks to all for the prompting.
>
Plus, "Dissecting The CUPS Filtering System" (2002)
<http://www.openprinting.org/download/kpfeifle/LinuxKongress2002/Tutorial/V.CUPS-Filtering-Architecture/V.CUPS-Workshop-LinuxKongress2002-Content.html>
which may well be out of date, given the above note.

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#28693

FromJeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid>
Date2014-06-09 14:16 -0400
Message-ID<ln4ttm$aaj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28692
On 06/09/2014 02:00 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:

>> Thanks to all for the prompting.

Huh. http://localhost:631/, never knew that was there.

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#28695

Frommarkspace <markspace@nospam.nospam>
Date2014-06-09 14:04 -0700
Message-ID<ln57hj$md5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28693
On 6/9/2014 11:16 AM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
> On 06/09/2014 02:00 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>
>>> Thanks to all for the prompting.
>
> Huh. http://localhost:631/, never knew that was there.
>


There's also port 9100 on many printers and print servers which you can 
print to.

http://danieru.com/2013/06/06/what-is-port-9100-how-to-print-to-it/

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#28696

FromJeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid>
Date2014-06-09 17:38 -0400
Message-ID<ln59nv$719$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28695
On 06/09/2014 05:04 PM, markspace wrote:
> On 6/9/2014 11:16 AM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>> On 06/09/2014 02:00 PM, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>>
>>>> Thanks to all for the prompting.
>>
>> Huh. http://localhost:631/, never knew that was there.
>>
>
>
> There's also port 9100 on many printers and print servers which you can
> print to.
>
> http://danieru.com/2013/06/06/what-is-port-9100-how-to-print-to-it/
>
>
I've learned a lot about printing over the last (very profitable) hours.
Thanks.

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#28647

FromRoedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid>
Date2014-06-03 11:36 -0700
Message-ID<895so91vjj1ufcr6gmdnkt4a8rj5k3906h@4ax.com>
In reply to#28635
On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 09:20:51 -0700, Roedy Green
<see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>Java tells me it wants one inch margins for printing with a LaserJet
>1200.  I have seen it get much closer to the edges than that.  Is
>there something I am doing wrong?

The more I experiment, the stranger it gets. 
I can make it work if I ALSO select landscape in the printer option
dialog. According to the docs, this should not work. LANDSCAPE is
supposed to invert the direction of the y axis, but not rotate it.

I think  the way to handle this is to always print portrait, but do
the rotations etc myself so the user does not need to fiddle with the
printer configuration.
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com
In former times, people who craved absolute power became gangsters.
Today, they become computer programmers.

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#28664

FromRoedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid>
Date2014-06-05 12:47 -0700
Message-ID<k7i1p9lb30vsgricggfov9cdfhpjeed809@4ax.com>
In reply to#28647
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 11:36:50 -0700, Roedy Green
<see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>
>I think  the way to handle this is to always print portrait, but do
>the rotations etc myself so the user does not need to fiddle with the
>printer configuration.

This is what I did. I works fine. I let the user optionally adjust the
margins. There is no sign of a native method to find out the true
margins.
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com
In former times, people who craved absolute power became gangsters.
Today, they become computer programmers.

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