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| Started by | Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> |
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| First post | 2013-12-22 11:05 -0800 |
| Last post | 2014-01-03 15:43 -0500 |
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ORMs comparisons/complaints. Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-12-22 11:05 -0800
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-22 14:46 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 15:17 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-22 15:38 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 15:47 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-22 16:04 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 16:09 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-22 16:20 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 16:34 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-12-22 22:45 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-12-22 17:33 -0800
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-23 12:54 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 22:34 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-24 12:28 +0100
c Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-24 08:49 -0500
Re: c "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-25 09:35 +1100
Re: c Graham Hobbs <ghobbs@cdpwise.net> - 2013-12-24 19:35 -0500
Re: c Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-25 00:08 -0500
Re: c lipska the kat <"lipskathekat at yahoo dot co dot uk"> - 2013-12-25 09:07 +0000
Re: c "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-25 20:41 +1100
[EOD] Re: c Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-25 11:15 +0100
Re: [EOD] Re: c "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-25 23:29 +1100
Re: [EOD] Re: c The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-25 12:48 +0000
Re: c "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-25 17:46 +1100
Re: c Graham Hobbs <ghobbs@cdpwise.net> - 2013-12-25 09:24 -0500
Re: c Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 22:51 -0500
Re: c Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-30 08:03 -0500
Re: c Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 12:40 -0500
Re: c Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-30 12:46 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 22:48 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-23 17:38 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-23 07:57 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-24 10:11 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-23 19:59 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-24 12:14 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:02 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-30 15:40 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-22 20:48 -0800
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 22:46 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-30 14:54 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:06 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-30 15:21 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-30 08:04 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 12:32 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-30 12:47 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 08:23 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-12-30 19:45 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Ricardo Palomaes <rpmdisguise-java@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 19:20 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-30 18:34 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-30 14:27 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Marcel Müller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2013-12-22 22:26 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:17 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Marcel Müller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2013-12-31 11:12 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 21:35 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Marcel Müller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2014-01-06 22:19 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-07 23:33 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2014-01-08 00:37 -0600
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-30 17:03 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Marcel Müller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2013-12-31 15:30 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-02 03:57 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-02 21:00 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 01:34 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 21:56 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-04 01:15 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-04 14:45 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-05 03:59 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-05 15:51 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-05 23:53 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-05 20:00 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-03 15:38 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-03 15:41 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 12:27 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 18:49 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-03 15:39 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2013-12-22 16:11 -0800
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:08 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-30 17:36 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-30 22:13 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-30 22:09 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-31 11:30 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-31 08:11 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-01 14:20 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 22:05 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 14:48 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 21:57 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-02 04:04 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 20:39 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 09:10 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2014-01-03 20:10 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 18:34 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2014-01-04 07:02 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-01-04 14:12 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-04 13:53 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> - 2014-01-08 11:48 +0200
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-08 14:27 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-04 17:17 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 21:54 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-02 04:09 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 20:54 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 09:18 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 16:45 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2013-12-23 13:25 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:27 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2013-12-30 14:38 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-12-30 09:36 -0800
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2013-12-31 01:26 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 22:23 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 22:19 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-01-02 12:36 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2014-01-02 09:36 -0800
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-01-02 21:06 +0100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-03 14:48 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 20:59 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 21:07 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 21:10 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-31 09:44 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2013-12-23 07:22 -0600
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:20 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-25 13:56 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. jebblue <n@n.nnn> - 2013-12-31 10:52 -0600
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Evan Platt <evan@theobvious.espphotography.com.invalid> - 2013-12-31 11:50 -0800
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-31 17:54 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. jebblue <n@n.nnn> - 2013-12-31 19:33 -0600
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-02 17:37 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 21:46 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2014-01-02 19:34 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-02 10:02 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 23:09 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-02 12:22 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2014-01-03 20:06 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-03 09:17 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2014-01-04 00:41 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2014-01-03 06:41 -0600
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-03 14:56 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 12:12 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-03 19:30 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 16:04 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-03 22:30 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-05 23:44 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 16:28 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 16:08 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 16:22 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 00:29 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-03 09:08 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 10:18 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-03 15:24 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 17:10 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-04 10:02 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-04 16:02 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-04 17:27 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-04 12:46 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-04 19:51 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-04 19:24 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-04 14:08 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 16:39 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 20:43 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2014-01-03 20:19 +1100
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-03 09:23 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 11:34 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-03 15:58 +0000
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 16:01 -0500
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 17:44 -0400
Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 15:43 -0500
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-31 08:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l9ufp4$924$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27149 |
On 12/31/2013 6:30 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 31/12/13 02:09, Arved Sandstrom wrote: >> On 12/30/2013 06:13 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 30/12/13 21:36, Arved Sandstrom wrote: >>>> Data is complex, relational data is obviously just as complex, and any >>>> method of querying or manipulating real relational data is often hard. >>>> And considering major ORMs (not just Java), and the amount of educated >>>> effort that has gone into them, there are not many people who are >>>> well-advised to routinely use SQL directly if they have other >>>> options...not unless they are RDBMS specialists, and that's what >>>> they do >>>> for a living. Are you one? I'm not. >>> >>> Ah. So mining is complex and labour intesive, so lets not learn how to >>> use an excavator, but instead develop tools to allow us to organise huge >>> gangs of navvies with picks and shovels, because that's easier for us >>> lazy shits than mastering the controls on a dump truck or draglinme >>> excavator. >>> >>> If you cant manage relational databases, you shouldn't be messing with >>> big data. >>> >>> >> Identify yourself by your real name, doorknob. Maybe then you can put up >> or shut up. >> >> Learn spelling and grammar too - those skills help when you converse >> with adults. >> > So no counter argument, just an ad hominem attack. > > You are Jerry Stuckle and I claim my $5. > > >> AHS > > ROFLMAO! This has got to be the stoopidest post you've ever made. And you've made some pretty stoopid ones! -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle JDS Computer Training Corp. jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> |
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| Date | 2014-01-01 14:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <y82dnQYBNee2u1nPnZ2dnUVZ7qOdnZ2d@bt.com> |
| In reply to | #27149 |
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> > Learn spelling and grammar too - those skills help when you converse
> > with adults.
> >
> So no counter argument, just an ad hominem attack.
>
> You are Jerry Stuckle and I claim my $5.
It certainly wasn't the real Arved.
Faked headers too, from the look of it.
-- chris
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-01-01 22:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52c4d76a$0$303$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #27158 |
On 1/1/2014 9:20 AM, Chris Uppal wrote: > The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>> Learn spelling and grammar too - those skills help when you converse >>> with adults. >>> >> So no counter argument, just an ad hominem attack. >> >> You are Jerry Stuckle and I claim my $5. > > It certainly wasn't the real Arved. > > Faked headers too, from the look of it. It did not even show up at the NNTP server I use. I can only see it via Google. Arne
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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-02 14:48 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <C8udnZ1C1M81fFnPnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #27162 |
"Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message news:52c4d76a$0$303$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... >> It certainly wasn't the real Arved. >> >> Faked headers too, from the look of it. > >I t did not even show up at the NNTP server I use. > > I can only see it via Google. No guessing required as to who the actual poster was... -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-01-01 21:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52c4d5aa$0$303$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #27138 |
On 12/30/2013 5:13 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > If you cant manage relational databases, you shouldn't be messing with > big data. Why not? Hint: relational databases are not that common for big data. Arne
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| From | Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-01-02 04:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <L49xu.99374$Yb6.76415@fx29.iad> |
| In reply to | #27161 |
On 01/01/2014 10:57 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 12/30/2013 5:13 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> If you cant manage relational databases, you shouldn't be messing with >> big data. > > Why not? > > Hint: relational databases are not that common for big data. > > Arne > Arne, only because we are going through a phase of people trying to establish reputations and do some NIH. It's been sexy to refer to shards and documents and map-reduce and semi-structured data: fact is that for a number of years we've had quite a few people wasting their time describing structured data as non-structured data. By the way, my man, my youngest uncle was also called Arne. Happy NY. AHS -- When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. -- Jonathan Swift
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-01-02 20:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52c614de$0$302$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #27168 |
On 1/2/2014 3:04 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote: > By the way, my man, my youngest uncle was also called Arne. Happy NY. The name is not unusual in Scandinavia. Just did a lookup - we are 13805 Arne in Denmark alone. Happy NY to you too. Arne
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| From | Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-01-03 09:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <YEyxu.101274$Yb6.70980@fx29.iad> |
| In reply to | #27180 |
On 01/02/2014 09:39 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 1/2/2014 3:04 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote: >> By the way, my man, my youngest uncle was also called Arne. Happy NY. > > The name is not unusual in Scandinavia. Just did a lookup - we are > 13805 Arne in Denmark alone. > > Happy NY to you too. > > Arne > > Denmark and Estonia (where my parents are from) have a fairly close if somewhat ancient history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Estonia. It is however probable that very few Estonian names of Scandinavian origin have Danish lineage. Estonian names of Scandinavian origin would typically be Swedish...like my first and last name. AHS -- When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. -- Jonathan Swift
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| From | Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-03 20:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52C70B22.8090905@telia.com> |
| In reply to | #27195 |
2014-01-03 14:10, Arved Sandstrom skrev: > On 01/02/2014 09:39 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> On 1/2/2014 3:04 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote: >>> By the way, my man, my youngest uncle was also called Arne. Happy NY. >> >> The name is not unusual in Scandinavia. Just did a lookup - we are >> 13805 Arne in Denmark alone. >> >> Happy NY to you too. >> >> Arne >> >> > Denmark and Estonia (where my parents are from) have a fairly close if > somewhat ancient history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Estonia. > > It is however probable that very few Estonian names of Scandinavian > origin have Danish lineage. Estonian names of Scandinavian origin would > typically be Swedish...like my first and last name. The more usual Swedish variant would be Arvid (Sandström). -- Lars Enderin
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| From | Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-01-03 18:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <JVGxu.101979$Yb6.24950@fx29.iad> |
| In reply to | #27209 |
On 01/03/2014 03:10 PM, Lars Enderin wrote: > 2014-01-03 14:10, Arved Sandstrom skrev: >> On 01/02/2014 09:39 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> On 1/2/2014 3:04 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote: >>>> By the way, my man, my youngest uncle was also called Arne. Happy NY. >>> >>> The name is not unusual in Scandinavia. Just did a lookup - we are >>> 13805 Arne in Denmark alone. >>> >>> Happy NY to you too. >>> >>> Arne >>> >>> >> Denmark and Estonia (where my parents are from) have a fairly close if >> somewhat ancient history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Estonia. >> >> It is however probable that very few Estonian names of Scandinavian >> origin have Danish lineage. Estonian names of Scandinavian origin would >> typically be Swedish...like my first and last name. > > The more usual Swedish variant would be Arvid (Sandström). > I did not actually know that about my first name, thank you. My surname does actually have the umlaut: my parents, myself and my sisters rarely spell it that way, so we don't have to carefully pronounce it to Anglo-Saxons or French. Very few folks in North America can actually correctly pronounce Estonian names. :-) AHS -- When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. -- Jonathan Swift
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| From | Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-04 07:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52C7A403.9090100@telia.com> |
| In reply to | #27222 |
2014-01-03 23:34, Arved Sandstrom skrev: > On 01/03/2014 03:10 PM, Lars Enderin wrote: >> The more usual Swedish variant would be Arvid (Sandström). >> > I did not actually know that about my first name, thank you. My surname > does actually have the umlaut: my parents, myself and my sisters rarely > spell it that way, so we don't have to carefully pronounce it to > Anglo-Saxons or French. Very few folks in North America can actually > correctly pronounce Estonian names. :-) > There were 20751 Arvids vs 25 Arveds in Sweden last year. -- Lars Enderin
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| From | Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> |
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| Date | 2014-01-04 14:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1tw091r43rjwy$.11fnt8kakvy83$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #27222 |
On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:34:17 -0400, Arved Sandstrom wrote: >> The more usual Swedish variant would be Arvid (Sandström). > I did not actually know that about my first name, thank you. My surname > does actually have the umlaut: my parents, myself and my sisters rarely > spell it that way, so we don't have to carefully pronounce it to > Anglo-Saxons or French. Also having an Umlaut in my Name (Jörg), I learned that the apropriate way to spell ä ö ü is ae, oe, ue, when you don't want or can't use the Umlaut, although I can see how "Sandstroem" wouldn't lend itself to easy pronunciation :) Computer programs also still have a surprising amount of trouble with simple European characters, my mum had both an ö and a ß in her name, and we ended up with a surprising amount of folders in C:\Users, because apparently, a lot of programs not only access that location wrong, but also have different wrong ways to express those characters. I think the record was held by my sister, who had 3 Umlaute in her name, and ended up with an impressive 17 different "C:\Users\First Last" combinations (although that was the last generation of Windows, I just don't remember off hand where Windows XP had those folders). Liebe Gruesse, Joerg -- Ich lese meine Emails nicht, replies to Email bleiben also leider ungelesen.
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-01-04 13:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52c85893$0$299$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #27229 |
On 1/4/2014 8:12 AM, Joerg Meier wrote: > On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:34:17 -0400, Arved Sandstrom wrote: >>> The more usual Swedish variant would be Arvid (Sandström). >> I did not actually know that about my first name, thank you. My surname >> does actually have the umlaut: my parents, myself and my sisters rarely >> spell it that way, so we don't have to carefully pronounce it to >> Anglo-Saxons or French. > > Also having an Umlaut in my Name (Jörg), I learned that the apropriate way > to spell ä ö ü is ae, oe, ue, when you don't want or can't use the Umlaut, > although I can see how "Sandstroem" wouldn't lend itself to easy > pronunciation :) It is the official way in many contexts. http://denmark.usembassy.gov/non-immigrant_visas/ds-160-online-application-instructions.html <quote> If your name, address or other information needed to complete the visa application form is spelled with the Danish letters æ, ø or å, you should write ae, oe or aa. </quote> http://finland.usembassy.gov/faq_ds-160.html <quote> Finnish/Swedish characters ä, ö, and å should be typed as ae, oe and aa respectively. </quote> Arne
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| From | Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-01-08 11:48 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lviotuolco.fsf@saunalahti.fi> |
| In reply to | #27233 |
Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: > <quote> > Finnish/Swedish characters ä, ö, and å should be typed as ae, oe and aa > respectively. > </quote> Actually more often a less wrong way for Finnish would be to use a for ä and o for ö. -- Jukka Lahtinen
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| From | Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-01-08 14:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <JMgzu.271625$543.265775@fx02.iad> |
| In reply to | #27255 |
On 01/08/2014 05:48 AM, Jukka Lahtinen wrote: > Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: > >> <quote> >> Finnish/Swedish characters ä, ö, and å should be typed as ae, oe and aa >> respectively. >> </quote> > > Actually more often a less wrong way for Finnish would be to use > a for ä and o for ö. > Let me not even go into language arguments with a Finn. :-) Not as an Estonian. There have been orthography arguments just with Estonian until not that long ago. Speaking of orthography, it's funny that within such a small Finno-Ugrian geographic space we have so many dialects (Estonian and Finnish are still considered to be distant dialects). Just within the boundaries of modern Estonia I can think of at least 3 or 4 dialects, some of which are quite hard to understand to someone from another part of Estonia. Not so long ago there were considerably more. Then you had people like the Ingrians (Inkeri, Ingerlased) who had even more obscure dialects. My father for example was born in a part of Estonia that has a dialect that is similar to a certain part of Finland. Well, similar in a way that is discernible by linguists. :-) He never had an easy time understanding a bunch of folks a hundred miles away, and I don't mean Russians. AHS -- When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. -- Jonathan Swift
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| From | Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-01-04 17:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <FT_xu.223516$543.151456@fx02.iad> |
| In reply to | #27229 |
On 01/04/2014 09:12 AM, Joerg Meier wrote: > On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:34:17 -0400, Arved Sandstrom wrote: > >>> The more usual Swedish variant would be Arvid (Sandström). >> I did not actually know that about my first name, thank you. My surname >> does actually have the umlaut: my parents, myself and my sisters rarely >> spell it that way, so we don't have to carefully pronounce it to >> Anglo-Saxons or French. > > Also having an Umlaut in my Name (Jörg), I learned that the apropriate way > to spell ä ö ü is ae, oe, ue, when you don't want or can't use the Umlaut, > although I can see how "Sandstroem" wouldn't lend itself to easy > pronunciation :) Much of Estonian doesn't. :-) There are even some Estonians in particular dialects who can't correctly pronounce o~, for example. Estonian not only ranks very highly as having words with very many consecutive vowels, it may possibly also have a few words with the most consecutive umlauts. AHS -- When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. -- Jonathan Swift
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-01-01 21:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52c4d4d4$0$303$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #27137 |
On 12/30/2013 4:36 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote: > I'll say this: Java language limitations have hurt Java ORMs, and it's > not the fault of the ORM developers: I know a few of them. The JPA > Criteria API is a sign of the apocalypse. It's unfortunately informed by > folks who are both struggling with Java limitations and have experience > with native implementations. C# LINQ and Scala Squeryl are conceptually > light years ahead of Java ORMs. Much cleaner syntax. But I am not convinced that the syntax is sufficient important to translate that into "light years ahead". Arne
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| From | Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-01-02 04:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j99xu.149377$_n7.22984@fx20.iad> |
| In reply to | #27160 |
On 01/01/2014 10:54 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 12/30/2013 4:36 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote: >> I'll say this: Java language limitations have hurt Java ORMs, and it's >> not the fault of the ORM developers: I know a few of them. The JPA >> Criteria API is a sign of the apocalypse. It's unfortunately informed by >> folks who are both struggling with Java limitations and have experience >> with native implementations. C# LINQ and Scala Squeryl are conceptually >> light years ahead of Java ORMs. > > Much cleaner syntax. > > But I am not convinced that the syntax is sufficient important > to translate that into "light years ahead". > > Arne > We can agree to disagree, Arne. I think ideas like C# LINQ and Scala Squeryl are far in advance of Java. I was able to write a Scala DSL a few years ago that would not have been possible in Java. Similarly, C# - I think you'd have to admit - is quite far ahead of Java. AHS -- When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. -- Jonathan Swift
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2014-01-02 20:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52c6186d$0$302$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #27169 |
On 1/2/2014 3:09 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote: > On 01/01/2014 10:54 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> On 12/30/2013 4:36 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote: >>> I'll say this: Java language limitations have hurt Java ORMs, and it's >>> not the fault of the ORM developers: I know a few of them. The JPA >>> Criteria API is a sign of the apocalypse. It's unfortunately informed by >>> folks who are both struggling with Java limitations and have experience >>> with native implementations. C# LINQ and Scala Squeryl are conceptually >>> light years ahead of Java ORMs. >> >> Much cleaner syntax. >> >> But I am not convinced that the syntax is sufficient important >> to translate that into "light years ahead". >> > We can agree to disagree, Arne. I think ideas like C# LINQ and Scala > Squeryl are far in advance of Java. > > I was able to write a Scala DSL a few years ago that would not have been > possible in Java. Similarly, C# - I think you'd have to admit - is quite > far ahead of Java. I think we almost agree on the grading of the syntaxes. But we may disagree on the weight given to syntax in an ORM evaluation. I just don't see syntax for queries as being important enough to cause "light years ahead". Everything else equal, then a nice syntax obviously create a winner. Arne
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| From | Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-01-03 09:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <tMyxu.119281$Rt7.79958@fx27.iad> |
| In reply to | #27182 |
On 01/02/2014 09:54 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 1/2/2014 3:09 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote: >> On 01/01/2014 10:54 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> On 12/30/2013 4:36 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote: >>>> I'll say this: Java language limitations have hurt Java ORMs, and it's >>>> not the fault of the ORM developers: I know a few of them. The JPA >>>> Criteria API is a sign of the apocalypse. It's unfortunately >>>> informed by >>>> folks who are both struggling with Java limitations and have experience >>>> with native implementations. C# LINQ and Scala Squeryl are conceptually >>>> light years ahead of Java ORMs. >>> >>> Much cleaner syntax. >>> >>> But I am not convinced that the syntax is sufficient important >>> to translate that into "light years ahead". >>> >> We can agree to disagree, Arne. I think ideas like C# LINQ and Scala >> Squeryl are far in advance of Java. >> >> I was able to write a Scala DSL a few years ago that would not have been >> possible in Java. Similarly, C# - I think you'd have to admit - is quite >> far ahead of Java. > > I think we almost agree on the grading of the syntaxes. > > But we may disagree on the weight given to syntax in an ORM > evaluation. > > I just don't see syntax for queries as being important enough > to cause "light years ahead". > > Everything else equal, then a nice syntax obviously create > a winner. > > Arne > Every time I look at the JPA criteria API, I cringe. :-) This occasionally causes me to use excessive comparisons. But I don't see how syntax of data access code is not _quite_ important. Whether SQL or JDBC or JPA or native ORMs etc. Syntax is a major part of what makes an API readily useable. AHS -- When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. -- Jonathan Swift
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