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ORMs comparisons/complaints.

Started byDaniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net>
First post2013-12-22 11:05 -0800
Last post2014-01-03 15:43 -0500
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  ORMs comparisons/complaints. Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-12-22 11:05 -0800
    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-22 14:46 -0500
    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 15:17 -0500
      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-22 15:38 -0500
        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 15:47 -0500
          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-22 16:04 -0500
            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 16:09 -0500
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-22 16:20 -0500
                Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 16:34 -0500
                  Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-12-22 22:45 +0100
                    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-12-22 17:33 -0800
                  Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-23 12:54 +1100
                    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 22:34 -0500
                      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-24 12:28 +0100
                        c Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-24 08:49 -0500
                          Re: c "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-25 09:35 +1100
                            Re: c Graham Hobbs <ghobbs@cdpwise.net> - 2013-12-24 19:35 -0500
                              Re: c Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-25 00:08 -0500
                                Re: c lipska the kat <"lipskathekat at yahoo dot co dot uk"> - 2013-12-25 09:07 +0000
                                  Re: c "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-25 20:41 +1100
                                    [EOD] Re: c Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-25 11:15 +0100
                                      Re: [EOD] Re: c "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-25 23:29 +1100
                                        Re: [EOD] Re: c The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-25 12:48 +0000
                              Re: c "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-25 17:46 +1100
                                Re: c Graham Hobbs <ghobbs@cdpwise.net> - 2013-12-25 09:24 -0500
                          Re: c Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 22:51 -0500
                            Re: c Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-30 08:03 -0500
                              Re: c Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 12:40 -0500
                                Re: c Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-30 12:46 -0500
                    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-22 22:48 -0500
                      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-23 17:38 +1100
                        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-23 07:57 -0500
                          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-24 10:11 +1100
                            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-23 19:59 -0500
                              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-24 12:14 +1100
                              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:02 -0500
                                Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-30 15:40 +1100
                    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-22 20:48 -0800
                  Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 22:46 -0500
                    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-30 14:54 +1100
                      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:06 -0500
                        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-30 15:21 +1100
                    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-30 08:04 -0500
                      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 12:32 -0500
                        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-30 12:47 -0500
                          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 08:23 +1100
                        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-12-30 19:45 +0000
                      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Ricardo Palomaes <rpmdisguise-java@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 19:20 +0100
                        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-30 18:34 +0000
                          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-30 14:27 -0500
    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Marcel Müller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2013-12-22 22:26 +0100
      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:17 -0500
        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Marcel Müller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2013-12-31 11:12 +0100
          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 21:35 -0500
            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Marcel Müller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2014-01-06 22:19 +0100
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-07 23:33 -0400
                Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2014-01-08 00:37 -0600
      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-30 17:03 -0400
        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Marcel Müller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2013-12-31 15:30 +0100
          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-02 03:57 -0400
            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-02 21:00 +0000
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 01:34 -0400
          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 21:56 -0500
            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-04 01:15 -0400
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-04 14:45 -0500
                Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-05 03:59 -0400
                  Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-05 15:51 -0500
                    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-05 23:53 +0000
                      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-05 20:00 -0500
      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-03 15:38 +0000
        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-03 15:41 +0000
        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 12:27 -0500
        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 18:49 -0400
      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-03 15:39 +0000
    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2013-12-22 16:11 -0800
      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:08 -0500
      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-30 17:36 -0400
        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-30 22:13 +0000
          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-30 22:09 -0400
            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-31 11:30 +0000
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-12-31 08:11 -0500
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-01 14:20 +0000
                Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 22:05 -0500
                  Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 14:48 +1100
          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 21:57 -0500
            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-02 04:04 -0400
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 20:39 -0500
                Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 09:10 -0400
                  Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2014-01-03 20:10 +0100
                    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 18:34 -0400
                      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2014-01-04 07:02 +0100
                      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-01-04 14:12 +0100
                        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-04 13:53 -0500
                          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> - 2014-01-08 11:48 +0200
                            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-08 14:27 -0400
                        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-04 17:17 -0400
        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 21:54 -0500
          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-02 04:09 -0400
            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 20:54 -0500
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 09:18 -0400
                Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 16:45 -0500
    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2013-12-23 13:25 +0100
      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:27 -0500
        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2013-12-30 14:38 +0100
          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-12-30 09:36 -0800
            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2013-12-31 01:26 +0100
            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 22:23 -0500
          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 22:19 -0500
            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-01-02 12:36 +0100
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2014-01-02 09:36 -0800
                Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-01-02 21:06 +0100
                  Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-03 14:48 +0000
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 20:59 -0500
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 21:07 -0500
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 21:10 -0500
      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-31 09:44 -0400
    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2013-12-23 07:22 -0600
      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-29 23:20 -0500
    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-25 13:56 -0400
    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. jebblue <n@n.nnn> - 2013-12-31 10:52 -0600
      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Evan Platt <evan@theobvious.espphotography.com.invalid> - 2013-12-31 11:50 -0800
      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-31 17:54 -0400
        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. jebblue <n@n.nnn> - 2013-12-31 19:33 -0600
          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-02 17:37 -0400
      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-01 21:46 -0500
        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2014-01-02 19:34 +1100
          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-02 10:02 +0000
            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 23:09 +1100
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-02 12:22 +0000
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2014-01-03 20:06 +1100
                Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-03 09:17 +0000
                  Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2014-01-04 00:41 +1100
                Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2014-01-03 06:41 -0600
                  Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-01-03 14:56 +0000
                  Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 12:12 -0400
                    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-03 19:30 +0000
                      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 16:04 -0400
                        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-03 22:30 +0000
                          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-05 23:44 -0400
                      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 16:28 -0500
                Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 16:08 -0500
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 16:22 -0400
            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 00:29 -0400
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-03 09:08 +0000
                Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 10:18 -0400
                  Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-03 15:24 +0000
                    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 17:10 -0400
                      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-04 10:02 +0000
                        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-04 16:02 +0000
                          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-04 17:27 +0000
                            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-04 12:46 -0500
                            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-01-04 19:51 +0000
                              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-04 19:24 -0500
                        Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-04 14:08 -0500
                    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 16:39 -0500
          Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-02 20:43 -0500
            Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2014-01-03 20:19 +1100
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-03 09:23 +0000
                Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 11:34 -0400
                  Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-01-03 15:58 +0000
                    Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 16:01 -0500
                      Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2014-01-03 17:44 -0400
              Re: ORMs comparisons/complaints. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-01-03 15:43 -0500

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#27150

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2013-12-31 08:11 -0500
Message-ID<l9ufp4$924$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#27149
On 12/31/2013 6:30 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/12/13 02:09, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>> On 12/30/2013 06:13 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 30/12/13 21:36, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>>>> Data is complex, relational data is obviously just as complex, and any
>>>> method of querying or manipulating real relational data is often hard.
>>>> And considering major ORMs (not just Java), and the amount of educated
>>>> effort that has gone into them, there are not many people who are
>>>> well-advised to routinely use SQL directly if they have other
>>>> options...not unless they are RDBMS specialists, and that's what
>>>> they do
>>>> for a living. Are you one? I'm not.
>>>
>>> Ah. So mining is complex and labour intesive, so lets not learn how to
>>> use an excavator, but instead develop tools to allow us to organise huge
>>> gangs of navvies with picks and shovels, because that's easier for us
>>> lazy shits than mastering the controls on a dump truck or draglinme
>>> excavator.
>>>
>>> If you cant manage relational databases, you shouldn't be messing with
>>> big data.
>>>
>>>
>> Identify yourself by your real name, doorknob. Maybe then you can put up
>> or shut up.
>>
>> Learn spelling and grammar too - those skills help when you converse
>> with adults.
>>
> So no counter argument, just an ad hominem attack.
>
> You are Jerry Stuckle and I claim my $5.
>
>
>> AHS
>
>

ROFLMAO!  This has got to be the stoopidest post you've ever made.  And 
you've made some pretty stoopid ones!


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#27158

From"Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org>
Date2014-01-01 14:20 +0000
Message-ID<y82dnQYBNee2u1nPnZ2dnUVZ7qOdnZ2d@bt.com>
In reply to#27149
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> > Learn spelling and grammar too - those skills help when you converse
> > with adults.
> >
> So no counter argument, just an ad hominem attack.
>
> You are Jerry Stuckle and I claim my $5.

It certainly wasn't the real Arved.

Faked headers too, from the look of it.

    -- chris

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#27162

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2014-01-01 22:05 -0500
Message-ID<52c4d76a$0$303$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#27158
On 1/1/2014 9:20 AM, Chris Uppal wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>>> Learn spelling and grammar too - those skills help when you converse
>>> with adults.
>>>
>> So no counter argument, just an ad hominem attack.
>>
>> You are Jerry Stuckle and I claim my $5.
>
> It certainly wasn't the real Arved.
>
> Faked headers too, from the look of it.

It did not even show up at the NNTP server I use.

I can only see it via Google.

Arne

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#27165

From"Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-02 14:48 +1100
Message-ID<C8udnZ1C1M81fFnPnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@westnet.com.au>
In reply to#27162
"Arne Vajhøj"  wrote in message 
news:52c4d76a$0$303$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...

>> It certainly wasn't the real Arved.
>>
>> Faked headers too, from the look of it.
>
>I t did not even show up at the NNTP server I use.
>
> I can only see it via Google.

No guessing required as to who the actual poster was...

--
And loving it,

-Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
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#27161

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2014-01-01 21:57 -0500
Message-ID<52c4d5aa$0$303$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#27138
On 12/30/2013 5:13 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> If you cant manage relational databases, you shouldn't be messing with
> big data.

Why not?

Hint: relational databases are not that common for big data.

Arne

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#27168

FromArved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca>
Date2014-01-02 04:04 -0400
Message-ID<L49xu.99374$Yb6.76415@fx29.iad>
In reply to#27161
On 01/01/2014 10:57 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 12/30/2013 5:13 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> If you cant manage relational databases, you shouldn't be messing with
>> big data.
>
> Why not?
>
> Hint: relational databases are not that common for big data.
>
> Arne
>

Arne, only because we are going through a phase of people trying to 
establish reputations and do some NIH. It's been sexy to refer to shards 
and documents and map-reduce and semi-structured data: fact is that for 
a number of years we've had quite a few people wasting their time 
describing structured data as non-structured data.

By the way, my man, my youngest uncle was also called Arne. Happy NY.

AHS
-- 
When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign:
that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
-- Jonathan Swift

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#27180

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2014-01-02 20:39 -0500
Message-ID<52c614de$0$302$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#27168
On 1/2/2014 3:04 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
> By the way, my man, my youngest uncle was also called Arne. Happy NY.

The name is not unusual in Scandinavia. Just did a lookup - we are
13805 Arne in Denmark alone.

Happy NY to you too.

Arne

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#27195

FromArved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca>
Date2014-01-03 09:10 -0400
Message-ID<YEyxu.101274$Yb6.70980@fx29.iad>
In reply to#27180
On 01/02/2014 09:39 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 1/2/2014 3:04 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>> By the way, my man, my youngest uncle was also called Arne. Happy NY.
>
> The name is not unusual in Scandinavia. Just did a lookup - we are
> 13805 Arne in Denmark alone.
>
> Happy NY to you too.
>
> Arne
>
>
Denmark and Estonia (where my parents are from) have a fairly close if 
somewhat ancient history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Estonia.

It is however probable that very few Estonian names of Scandinavian 
origin have Danish lineage. Estonian names of Scandinavian origin would 
typically be Swedish...like my first and last name.

AHS
-- 
When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign:
that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
-- Jonathan Swift

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#27209

FromLars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com>
Date2014-01-03 20:10 +0100
Message-ID<52C70B22.8090905@telia.com>
In reply to#27195
2014-01-03 14:10, Arved Sandstrom skrev:
> On 01/02/2014 09:39 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 1/2/2014 3:04 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>>> By the way, my man, my youngest uncle was also called Arne. Happy NY.
>>
>> The name is not unusual in Scandinavia. Just did a lookup - we are
>> 13805 Arne in Denmark alone.
>>
>> Happy NY to you too.
>>
>> Arne
>>
>>
> Denmark and Estonia (where my parents are from) have a fairly close if
> somewhat ancient history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Estonia.
> 
> It is however probable that very few Estonian names of Scandinavian
> origin have Danish lineage. Estonian names of Scandinavian origin would
> typically be Swedish...like my first and last name.

The more usual Swedish variant would be Arvid (Sandström).

-- 
Lars Enderin

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#27222

FromArved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca>
Date2014-01-03 18:34 -0400
Message-ID<JVGxu.101979$Yb6.24950@fx29.iad>
In reply to#27209
On 01/03/2014 03:10 PM, Lars Enderin wrote:
> 2014-01-03 14:10, Arved Sandstrom skrev:
>> On 01/02/2014 09:39 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 1/2/2014 3:04 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>>>> By the way, my man, my youngest uncle was also called Arne. Happy NY.
>>>
>>> The name is not unusual in Scandinavia. Just did a lookup - we are
>>> 13805 Arne in Denmark alone.
>>>
>>> Happy NY to you too.
>>>
>>> Arne
>>>
>>>
>> Denmark and Estonia (where my parents are from) have a fairly close if
>> somewhat ancient history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Estonia.
>>
>> It is however probable that very few Estonian names of Scandinavian
>> origin have Danish lineage. Estonian names of Scandinavian origin would
>> typically be Swedish...like my first and last name.
>
> The more usual Swedish variant would be Arvid (Sandström).
>
I did not actually know that about my first name, thank you. My surname 
does actually have the umlaut: my parents, myself and my sisters rarely 
spell it that way, so we don't have to carefully pronounce it to 
Anglo-Saxons or French. Very few folks in North America can actually 
correctly pronounce Estonian names. :-)

AHS
-- 
When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign:
that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
-- Jonathan Swift

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#27227

FromLars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com>
Date2014-01-04 07:02 +0100
Message-ID<52C7A403.9090100@telia.com>
In reply to#27222
2014-01-03 23:34, Arved Sandstrom skrev:
> On 01/03/2014 03:10 PM, Lars Enderin wrote:
>> The more usual Swedish variant would be Arvid (Sandström).
>>
> I did not actually know that about my first name, thank you. My surname
> does actually have the umlaut: my parents, myself and my sisters rarely
> spell it that way, so we don't have to carefully pronounce it to
> Anglo-Saxons or French. Very few folks in North America can actually
> correctly pronounce Estonian names. :-)
> 

There were 20751 Arvids vs 25 Arveds in Sweden last year.

-- 
Lars Enderin

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#27229

FromJoerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de>
Date2014-01-04 14:12 +0100
Message-ID<1tw091r43rjwy$.11fnt8kakvy83$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#27222
On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:34:17 -0400, Arved Sandstrom wrote:

>> The more usual Swedish variant would be Arvid (Sandström).
> I did not actually know that about my first name, thank you. My surname 
> does actually have the umlaut: my parents, myself and my sisters rarely 
> spell it that way, so we don't have to carefully pronounce it to 
> Anglo-Saxons or French.

Also having an Umlaut in my Name (Jörg), I learned that the apropriate way
to spell ä ö ü is ae, oe, ue, when you don't want or can't use the Umlaut,
although I can see how "Sandstroem" wouldn't lend itself to easy
pronunciation :)

Computer programs also still have a surprising amount of trouble with
simple European characters, my mum had both an ö and a ß in her name, and
we ended up with a surprising amount of folders in C:\Users, because
apparently, a lot of programs not only access that location wrong, but also
have different wrong ways to express those characters. I think the record
was held by my sister, who had 3 Umlaute in her name, and ended up with an
impressive 17 different "C:\Users\First Last" combinations (although that
was the last generation of Windows, I just don't remember off hand where
Windows XP had those folders).

Liebe Gruesse,
		Joerg

-- 
Ich lese meine Emails nicht, replies to Email bleiben also leider
ungelesen.

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#27233

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2014-01-04 13:53 -0500
Message-ID<52c85893$0$299$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#27229
On 1/4/2014 8:12 AM, Joerg Meier wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:34:17 -0400, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>>> The more usual Swedish variant would be Arvid (Sandström).
>> I did not actually know that about my first name, thank you. My surname
>> does actually have the umlaut: my parents, myself and my sisters rarely
>> spell it that way, so we don't have to carefully pronounce it to
>> Anglo-Saxons or French.
>
> Also having an Umlaut in my Name (Jörg), I learned that the apropriate way
> to spell ä ö ü is ae, oe, ue, when you don't want or can't use the Umlaut,
> although I can see how "Sandstroem" wouldn't lend itself to easy
> pronunciation :)

It is the official way in many contexts.

http://denmark.usembassy.gov/non-immigrant_visas/ds-160-online-application-instructions.html

<quote>
If your name, address or other information needed to complete the visa 
application form is spelled with the Danish letters æ, ø or å, you 
should write ae, oe or aa.
</quote>

http://finland.usembassy.gov/faq_ds-160.html

<quote>
Finnish/Swedish characters ä, ö, and å should be typed as ae, oe and aa 
respectively.
</quote>

Arne

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#27255

FromJukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid>
Date2014-01-08 11:48 +0200
Message-ID<lviotuolco.fsf@saunalahti.fi>
In reply to#27233
Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:

> <quote>
> Finnish/Swedish characters ä, ö, and å should be typed as ae, oe and aa
> respectively.
> </quote>

Actually more often a less wrong way for Finnish would be to use 
a for ä and o for ö. 

-- 
Jukka Lahtinen

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#27256

FromArved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca>
Date2014-01-08 14:27 -0400
Message-ID<JMgzu.271625$543.265775@fx02.iad>
In reply to#27255
On 01/08/2014 05:48 AM, Jukka Lahtinen wrote:
> Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:
>
>> <quote>
>> Finnish/Swedish characters ä, ö, and å should be typed as ae, oe and aa
>> respectively.
>> </quote>
>
> Actually more often a less wrong way for Finnish would be to use
> a for ä and o for ö.
>
Let me not even go into language arguments with a Finn. :-) Not as an 
Estonian. There have been orthography arguments just with Estonian until 
not that long ago.

Speaking of orthography, it's funny that within such a small 
Finno-Ugrian geographic space we have so many dialects (Estonian and 
Finnish are still considered to be distant dialects). Just within the 
boundaries of modern Estonia I can think of at least 3 or 4 dialects, 
some of which are quite hard to understand to someone from another part 
of Estonia. Not so long ago there were considerably more. Then you had 
people like the Ingrians (Inkeri, Ingerlased) who had even more obscure 
dialects.

My father for example was born in a part of Estonia that has a dialect 
that is similar to a certain part of Finland. Well, similar in a way 
that is discernible by linguists. :-) He never had an easy time 
understanding a bunch of folks a hundred miles away, and I don't mean 
Russians.

AHS
-- 
When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign:
that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
-- Jonathan Swift

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#27237

FromArved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca>
Date2014-01-04 17:17 -0400
Message-ID<FT_xu.223516$543.151456@fx02.iad>
In reply to#27229
On 01/04/2014 09:12 AM, Joerg Meier wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:34:17 -0400, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>
>>> The more usual Swedish variant would be Arvid (Sandström).
>> I did not actually know that about my first name, thank you. My surname
>> does actually have the umlaut: my parents, myself and my sisters rarely
>> spell it that way, so we don't have to carefully pronounce it to
>> Anglo-Saxons or French.
>
> Also having an Umlaut in my Name (Jörg), I learned that the apropriate way
> to spell ä ö ü is ae, oe, ue, when you don't want or can't use the Umlaut,
> although I can see how "Sandstroem" wouldn't lend itself to easy
> pronunciation :)

Much of Estonian doesn't. :-) There are even some Estonians in 
particular dialects who can't correctly pronounce o~, for example.

Estonian not only ranks very highly as having words with very many 
consecutive vowels, it may possibly also have a few words with the most 
consecutive umlauts.

AHS
-- 
When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign:
that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
-- Jonathan Swift

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#27160

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2014-01-01 21:54 -0500
Message-ID<52c4d4d4$0$303$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#27137
On 12/30/2013 4:36 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
> I'll say this: Java language limitations have hurt Java ORMs, and it's
> not the fault of the ORM developers: I know a few of them. The JPA
> Criteria API is a sign of the apocalypse. It's unfortunately informed by
> folks who are both struggling with Java limitations and have experience
> with native implementations. C# LINQ and Scala Squeryl are conceptually
> light years ahead of Java ORMs.

Much cleaner syntax.

But I am not convinced that the syntax is sufficient important
to translate that into "light years ahead".

Arne

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#27169

FromArved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca>
Date2014-01-02 04:09 -0400
Message-ID<j99xu.149377$_n7.22984@fx20.iad>
In reply to#27160
On 01/01/2014 10:54 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 12/30/2013 4:36 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>> I'll say this: Java language limitations have hurt Java ORMs, and it's
>> not the fault of the ORM developers: I know a few of them. The JPA
>> Criteria API is a sign of the apocalypse. It's unfortunately informed by
>> folks who are both struggling with Java limitations and have experience
>> with native implementations. C# LINQ and Scala Squeryl are conceptually
>> light years ahead of Java ORMs.
>
> Much cleaner syntax.
>
> But I am not convinced that the syntax is sufficient important
> to translate that into "light years ahead".
>
> Arne
>
We can agree to disagree, Arne. I think ideas like C# LINQ and Scala 
Squeryl are far in advance of Java.

I was able to write a Scala DSL a few years ago that would not have been 
possible in Java. Similarly, C# - I think you'd have to admit - is quite 
far ahead of Java.

AHS
-- 
When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign:
that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
-- Jonathan Swift

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#27182

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2014-01-02 20:54 -0500
Message-ID<52c6186d$0$302$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#27169
On 1/2/2014 3:09 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
> On 01/01/2014 10:54 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 12/30/2013 4:36 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>>> I'll say this: Java language limitations have hurt Java ORMs, and it's
>>> not the fault of the ORM developers: I know a few of them. The JPA
>>> Criteria API is a sign of the apocalypse. It's unfortunately informed by
>>> folks who are both struggling with Java limitations and have experience
>>> with native implementations. C# LINQ and Scala Squeryl are conceptually
>>> light years ahead of Java ORMs.
>>
>> Much cleaner syntax.
>>
>> But I am not convinced that the syntax is sufficient important
>> to translate that into "light years ahead".
>>
> We can agree to disagree, Arne. I think ideas like C# LINQ and Scala
> Squeryl are far in advance of Java.
>
> I was able to write a Scala DSL a few years ago that would not have been
> possible in Java. Similarly, C# - I think you'd have to admit - is quite
> far ahead of Java.

I think we almost agree on the grading of the syntaxes.

But we may disagree on the weight given to syntax in an ORM
evaluation.

I just don't see syntax for queries as being important enough
to cause "light years ahead".

Everything else equal, then a nice syntax obviously create
a winner.

Arne

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#27196

FromArved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca>
Date2014-01-03 09:18 -0400
Message-ID<tMyxu.119281$Rt7.79958@fx27.iad>
In reply to#27182
On 01/02/2014 09:54 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 1/2/2014 3:09 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>> On 01/01/2014 10:54 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 12/30/2013 4:36 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>>>> I'll say this: Java language limitations have hurt Java ORMs, and it's
>>>> not the fault of the ORM developers: I know a few of them. The JPA
>>>> Criteria API is a sign of the apocalypse. It's unfortunately
>>>> informed by
>>>> folks who are both struggling with Java limitations and have experience
>>>> with native implementations. C# LINQ and Scala Squeryl are conceptually
>>>> light years ahead of Java ORMs.
>>>
>>> Much cleaner syntax.
>>>
>>> But I am not convinced that the syntax is sufficient important
>>> to translate that into "light years ahead".
>>>
>> We can agree to disagree, Arne. I think ideas like C# LINQ and Scala
>> Squeryl are far in advance of Java.
>>
>> I was able to write a Scala DSL a few years ago that would not have been
>> possible in Java. Similarly, C# - I think you'd have to admit - is quite
>> far ahead of Java.
>
> I think we almost agree on the grading of the syntaxes.
>
> But we may disagree on the weight given to syntax in an ORM
> evaluation.
>
> I just don't see syntax for queries as being important enough
> to cause "light years ahead".
>
> Everything else equal, then a nice syntax obviously create
> a winner.
>
> Arne
>
Every time I look at the JPA criteria API, I cringe. :-) This 
occasionally causes me to use excessive comparisons.

But I don't see how syntax of data access code is not _quite_ important. 
Whether SQL or JDBC or JPA or native ORMs etc. Syntax is a major part of 
what makes an API readily useable.

AHS
-- 
When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign:
that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
-- Jonathan Swift

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