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Re: Why No Supplemental Characters In Character Literals?

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First post2011-02-04 22:28 -0800
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  Re: Why No Supplemental Characters In Character Literals? "Mike Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> - 2011-02-04 22:28 -0800
    Re: Why No Supplemental Characters In Character Literals? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-02-05 08:58 -0500

#25513 — Re: Why No Supplemental Characters In Character Literals?

From"Mike Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com>
Date2011-02-04 22:28 -0800
SubjectRe: Why No Supplemental Characters In Character Literals?
Message-ID<iiiqnd$s2s$1@news.eternal-september.org>

"Ken Wesson" <kwesson@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:4d4ceaf3$1@news.x-privat.org...
> On Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:46:56 -0800, Mike Schilling wrote:
>
>> "Ken Wesson" <kwesson@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4d4cc888$1@news.x-privat.org...
>>> On Fri, 04 Feb 2011 22:30:09 -0500, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04-02-2011 22:21, Ken Wesson wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:02:37 -0800, Mike Schilling wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Arne Vajhøj"<arne@vajhoej.dk>  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4d4ca055$0$23765$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
>>>>>>> Which is a bit surprising since high code points were introduced
>>>>>>> when .NET came around.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But they probably had a compatibility issue with p/Invoke and Win32
>>>>>>> API, COM interop, C++ mixed mode etc. that all had to work with
>>>>>>> existing Win32 model of 16 bit wchars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, relentless micro-optimizers that they are, Microsoft wasn't
>>>>>> willing to bite off the size/performance issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Relentless micro-optimizers of what, their cashflow?
>>>>
>>>> Micro optimization in the meaning it has among programmers.
>>>
>>> Microsoft doesn't know beans about optimizing program code, as anyone
>>> who's waited five mintues for Windows to start up and become fully
>>> responsive can attest. :)
>>
>> Optimization and micro-optimization are not synonyms.
>
> No; the latter is a special case of the former.

The latter is quite often the direct opposite of the former.
 

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FromLew <noone@lewscanon.com>
Date2011-02-05 08:58 -0500
Message-ID<iijl2o$996$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#25513
Mike Schilling wrote:
>>> Optimization and micro-optimization are not synonyms.

"Ken Wesson" wrote:
>> No; the latter is a special case of the former.

Mike Schilling wrote:
> The latter is quite often the direct opposite of the former.

All one needs to do is consider the definitions of the terms, at least if one 
is speaking to one who is reasonable.  "Optimization" is performance 
improvement of a program or system.  "Micro-optimization" is the attempt to 
optimize tiny portions of the program or system without regard for the overall 
effect.

As for the one whom you quoted, I can't see their post since I plonked them 
long since, but I shall give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they 
provided logic and reason to support their claim and didn't just make the one 
bald and incorrect statement.

Hopefully by now they realize that just because the word "optimization" is in 
both terms that that doesn't imply any degree of synonymity.  The word 
"micro-optimization" was coined specifically to contrast it with actual 
optimization and was never anything other than a condemnatory term.

-- 
Lew
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