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  Newbie to Java. thil.1212@gmail.com - 2013-09-25 05:54 -0700
    Re: Newbie to Java. Kenneth Miller <kennethadammiller@gmail.com> - 2013-09-25 10:27 -0700
    Re: Newbie to Java. Tim Slattery <tim@risingdove.com> - 2013-09-25 14:16 -0400
      Re: Newbie to Java. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-09-25 21:07 -0400
        Re: Newbie to Java. Tim Slattery <tim@risingdove.com> - 2013-09-26 08:49 -0400
          Re: Newbie to Java. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-09-26 12:36 -0400
          Re: Newbie to Java. Donkey Hottie <donkey@fredriksson.dy.fi> - 2013-09-26 19:57 +0300
            Re: Newbie to Java. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-09-26 19:53 -0400
      Re: Newbie to Java. senthil kumar <thil.1212@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 09:27 -0700
    Re: Newbie to Java. markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-09-25 12:52 -0700
      Re: Newbie to Java. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-09-25 21:11 -0400
        Re: Newbie to Java. markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-09-25 18:17 -0700
      Re: Newbie to Java. senthil kumar <thil.1212@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 09:22 -0700
    Re: Newbie to Java. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-09-25 21:06 -0400
      Re: Newbie to Java. senthil kumar <thil.1212@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 09:29 -0700
    Re: Newbie to Java. Nicole Rivers <teamideyatech@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 20:33 -0700

#25326 — Newbie to Java.

Hi all ,

I am new to java and I have 3 years of experience in ruby on rails(MVC), jQuery  javaScript. To get started with java Enterprise application wat are all things I need to know and I really confused with J2EE , Spring , Struts.

And I started with spring but there also saying Java beans any fundamentals I need to aware. So could you please helps me links/tutorials to get start.

Thanks,
Senthil  

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#25332

On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:54:59 AM UTC-5, senthil kumar wrote:
> Hi all ,
> 
> 
> 
> I am new to java and I have 3 years of experience in ruby on rails(MVC), jQuery  javaScript. To get started with java Enterprise application wat are all things I need to know and I really confused with J2EE , Spring , Struts.
> 
> 
> 
> And I started with spring but there also saying Java beans any fundamentals I need to aware. So could you please helps me links/tutorials to get start.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Senthil

Use google. You can't go wrong, you'll find tons of links. And Safari Books is a great service.

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#25333

thil.1212@gmail.com wrote:

>Hi all ,
>
>I am new to java and I have 3 years of experience in ruby on rails(MVC), 
>jQuery  javaScript. To get started with java Enterprise application wat are 
>all things I need to know and I really confused with J2EE , Spring , Struts.

Short answer: JEE is basically what you need to know. That's how a
Java web server talks to the apps. Spring and Struts are frameworks
built on top of JEE. Struts is no longer being developed (but can
still be useful).

-- 
Tim Slattery
tim <at> risingdove <dot> com

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#25342

On 9/25/2013 2:16 PM, Tim Slattery wrote:
> thil.1212@gmail.com wrote:
>> I am new to java and I have 3 years of experience in ruby on rails(MVC),
>> jQuery  javaScript. To get started with java Enterprise application wat are
>> all things I need to know and I really confused with J2EE , Spring , Struts.
>
> Short answer: JEE is basically what you need to know. That's how a
> Java web server talks to the apps. Spring and Struts are frameworks
> built on top of JEE. Struts is no longer being developed (but can
> still be useful).

Struts 2 is still being developed. Last release was 5 days ago.

Struts 1 is EOL.

Arne

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#25349

Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:

>Struts 2 is still being developed. Last release was 5 days ago.

True. It's so vastly different from original Struts that it didn't
even come to mind.

>Struts 1 is EOL.

Unfortunately. I used it for many years.

-- 
Tim Slattery
tim <at> risingdove <dot> com

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#25354

On 9/26/2013 8:49 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
> Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>> Struts 2 is still being developed. Last release was 5 days ago.
>
> True. It's so vastly different from original Struts that it didn't
> even come to mind.
>
>> Struts 1 is EOL.
>
> Unfortunately. I used it for many years.

I have used it as well.

And I must confess that I somewhat like it.

At least the style where a web app behaves like a web app and with a
clear separation between things.

I realize that the UX does not meet modern requirements and that it
was not so maintenance friendly because one often needed to change many
files for a given change.

Arne

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#25357

26.09.2013 15:49, Tim Slattery kirjoitti:
> Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
> 
>> Struts 2 is still being developed. Last release was 5 days ago.
> 
> True. It's so vastly different from original Struts that it didn't
> even come to mind.
> 
>> Struts 1 is EOL.
> 
> Unfortunately. I used it for many years.
> 

There is nothing unfortunate with that. Struts 1 could be pain when
trying to combine it with AJAX.

-- 

Your love life will be happy and harmonious.

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#25366

On 9/26/2013 12:57 PM, Donkey Hottie wrote:
> 26.09.2013 15:49, Tim Slattery kirjoitti:
>> Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>
>>> Struts 2 is still being developed. Last release was 5 days ago.
>>
>> True. It's so vastly different from original Struts that it didn't
>> even come to mind.
>>
>>> Struts 1 is EOL.
>>
>> Unfortunately. I used it for many years.
>
> There is nothing unfortunate with that. Struts 1 could be pain when
> trying to combine it with AJAX.

Yes.

But it was never intended for that role.

Arne

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#25352

On Wednesday, 25 September 2013 23:46:13 UTC+5:30, Tim Slattery  wrote:
> thil.1212@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >Hi all ,
> 
> >
> 
> >I am new to java and I have 3 years of experience in ruby on rails(MVC), 
> 
> >jQuery  javaScript. To get started with java Enterprise application wat are 
> 
> >all things I need to know and I really confused with J2EE , Spring , Struts.
> 
> 
> 
> Short answer: JEE is basically what you need to know. That's how a
> 
> Java web server talks to the apps. Spring and Struts are frameworks
> 
> built on top of JEE. Struts is no longer being developed (but can
> 
> still be useful).
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Tim Slattery
> 
> tim <at> risingdove <dot> com


Thanks @Tim Slattery for your response.

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#25336

On 9/25/2013 5:54 AM, thil.1212@gmail.com wrote:
>  To get started with java Enterprise
> application wat are all things I need to know and I really confused
> with J2EE , Spring , Struts.
>
> And I started with spring but there also saying Java beans any
> fundamentals I need to aware.


Here in Silicon Valley, this is sometimes referred to as "drinking from 
the fire-hose."  There's going to be a lot of information coming at you 
really fast, and there's going to be more than you can possibly absorb.

You should start with plain JEE (note: the "2" is now passé).  Unless 
you've been told that you need to learn a framework like Struts or 
Spring by your employer, start with just the JEE bits.

Also, I would personally recommend that you tackle Java by itself first, 
then do JEE.  JEE will make a lot more sense if you have the time to do 
it that way.

Anyway, the basics for JEE can be got from "Head First Servlets & JSP"

<http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596516680.do>

This is designed to get you to pass the Sun Certified Web Component 
Developer, which is the first certificate in their JEE series, iirc. 
It's got a lot of stuff in it, some of which is legacy, but you really 
should know all of it because you could find anything out in the field.

Once you get a handle on that, then some form of framework is in order. 
  I like the new stuff from Sun/Oracle, like JSF 2.0 and JPA 2.0 and 
their new EJBs, but again you might have some other framework dictated 
to you by employment needs.

Good luck.

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#25343

On 9/25/2013 3:52 PM, markspace wrote:
> On 9/25/2013 5:54 AM, thil.1212@gmail.com wrote:
>>  To get started with java Enterprise
>> application wat are all things I need to know and I really confused
>> with J2EE , Spring , Struts.

> You should start with plain JEE (note: the "2" is now passé).

Or even better "Java EE" per SUN/Oracle:

http://www.java.com/en/about/javanaming.jsp

<quote>
"JEE", "JSE", and "JME" are not acceptable acronyms as they have 
different meanings that are not associated with Java technology.
</quote>

Arne

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#25344

On 9/25/2013 6:11 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

> Or even better "Java EE" per SUN/Oracle:
>
> http://www.java.com/en/about/javanaming.jsp


Good find, thanks for pointing that out.

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#25351

Thanks Markspace for your response.

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#25341

On 9/25/2013 8:54 AM, thil.1212@gmail.com wrote:
> I am new to java and I have 3 years of experience in ruby on
> rails(MVC), jQuery  javaScript. To get started with java Enterprise
> application wat are all things I need to know and I really confused
> with J2EE , Spring , Struts.
>
> And I started with spring but there also saying Java beans any
> fundamentals I need to aware. So could you please helps me
> links/tutorials to get start.

You need to take some steps.

I will suggest:

1) Learn Java language and Java library (Java SE)
2) Learn base Java EE (servlet, JSP, JSTL, EL, JSF, JPA, JMS, EJB etc.)
3) Briefly look at some other relevant Java standards like portlets
    and JCR
4) Look at very commonly used third party libraries (Spring, Hibernate,
    JUnit, log4j etc.)
5) Learn the MVC framework you prefer (assuming that you don't want
    JSF) maybe Spring MVC

For 1 & 2 you can always start with the official tutorials at Oracle.

Arne

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#25353

On Thursday, 26 September 2013 06:36:15 UTC+5:30, Arne Vajhøj  wrote:
> On 9/25/2013 8:54 AM, thil.1212@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > I am new to java and I have 3 years of experience in ruby on
> 
> > rails(MVC), jQuery  javaScript. To get started with java Enterprise
> 
> > application wat are all things I need to know and I really confused
> 
> > with J2EE , Spring , Struts.
> 
> >
> 
> > And I started with spring but there also saying Java beans any
> 
> > fundamentals I need to aware. So could you please helps me
> 
> > links/tutorials to get start.
> 
> 
> 
> You need to take some steps.
> 
> 
> 
> I will suggest:
> 
> 
> 
> 1) Learn Java language and Java library (Java SE)
> 
> 2) Learn base Java EE (servlet, JSP, JSTL, EL, JSF, JPA, JMS, EJB etc.)
> 
> 3) Briefly look at some other relevant Java standards like portlets
> 
>     and JCR
> 
> 4) Look at very commonly used third party libraries (Spring, Hibernate,
> 
>     JUnit, log4j etc.)
> 
> 5) Learn the MVC framework you prefer (assuming that you don't want
> 
>     JSF) maybe Spring MVC
> 
> 
> 
> For 1 & 2 you can always start with the official tutorials at Oracle.
> 
> 
> 
> Arne


Thanks Arne for your response.

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#25442

Hi Senthil,

We have blog posts about Java and other software development and programming topics that might help you. Check out http://www.ideyatech.com/tag/blog/

Thanks! :)

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