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| Started by | Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> |
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| First post | 2013-08-14 00:20 +0000 |
| Last post | 2013-08-16 20:50 +1000 |
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Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-14 00:20 +0000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-13 20:36 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-13 20:41 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arivald <NOSPAMarivald@interia.pl> - 2013-08-14 08:58 +0200
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-08-14 11:18 +0200
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 13:15 -0500
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-12-30 10:17 -0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 15:08 -0500
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 08:34 +1100
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 17:56 -0500
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 10:06 +1100
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 18:16 -0500
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2013-12-30 17:38 -0600
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 18:53 -0500
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-12-31 02:40 +0100
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-12-31 02:37 +0100
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-08-14 11:21 +0200
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-14 19:53 +0000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-08-14 18:13 -0700
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-15 21:04 +0000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 08:18 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-15 06:46 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 09:05 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 16:58 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 21:56 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-14 19:28 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 09:48 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:20 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 21:55 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-17 11:26 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-18 21:33 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-19 19:44 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-19 18:17 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-19 10:52 -0400
[OT] Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2013-08-19 08:31 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-23 17:13 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-19 10:48 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-19 17:56 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-19 10:25 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:06 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 19:29 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:57 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 21:16 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-08-16 18:23 -0300
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-16 23:22 +0000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-17 10:24 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-17 08:55 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 18:24 -0700
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-08-16 22:59 -0300
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-18 21:36 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-19 18:00 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-08-19 13:11 +0100
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-19 10:32 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:09 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-17 11:37 +0000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:07 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:02 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-15 21:13 +0000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:13 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-16 20:01 +0000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-14 18:51 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 09:07 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-14 19:26 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 09:53 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-08-14 18:06 -0700
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 15:10 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-15 20:40 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-14 21:23 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 15:23 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-15 20:41 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 19:07 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-15 20:45 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-15 20:49 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 19:11 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:13 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:26 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 19:09 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:14 -0400
Please don't discuss the outside world Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:22 +0800
Re: Please don't discuss the outside world "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 20:50 +1000
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2013-08-14 18:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <520c09d7$0$304$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #24979 |
On 8/14/2013 6:18 PM, Qu0ll wrote: > "Martin Gregorie" wrote in message news:kueih9$tfu$1@dont-email.me... > >> Are there any decent compatibility packages that would let a Java >> graphical application compile and run on both Linux and Android >> platforms? >> >> If not, are there any decent Android emulators that can be used to >> develop Android graphical apps under Linux? > > For what it's worth, *all* of my future UI/front-end code written in > Java will be using JavaFX. If you haven't checked it out yet then I > strongly suggest you do. It's actually quite awesome and if you have a > look at the session titles from this year's impending Java One and if > you follow the buzz in the JavaFX developer community you will be > convinced that it's only a matter of time until JavaFX will run on > Windows, MacOS, Linux, ARM and... iOS and Android in the very near future. > > Swing/AWT is officially deprecated and will slowly shrivel and die. I would not consider Swing deprecated until Java 8 gets officially released which will be another half year. > JavaFX is the way ahead and could easily become the *best* > cross-platform SDK in *any* language. JavaFX is very impressive. Arne
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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-08-15 09:07 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <RYadnSebvdZokJHPnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #24984 |
"Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message news:520c09d7$0$304$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... >> Swing/AWT is officially deprecated and will slowly shrivel and die. > > I would not consider Swing deprecated until Java 8 gets officially > released which will be another half year. Oracle begs to differ. >> JavaFX is the way ahead and could easily become the *best* >> cross-platform SDK in *any* language. > > JavaFX is very impressive. Indeed. Far more impressive than most people actually realise and with JFX8 coming soon we will have 3D and other truly awesome features. -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2013-08-14 19:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <520c120a$0$304$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #24987 |
On 8/14/2013 7:07 PM, Qu0ll wrote: > "Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message > news:520c09d7$0$304$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... >>> Swing/AWT is officially deprecated and will slowly shrivel and die. >> >> I would not consider Swing deprecated until Java 8 gets officially >> released which will be another half year. > > Oracle begs to differ. Really. Swing is still part of the Java Tutorial. And the Swing classes are not marked as deprecated in the Java Docs (and JavaFX is not even in there yet). Arne
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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-08-15 09:53 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <b-adnYtUD64FhZHPnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #24988 |
"Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message news:520c120a$0$304$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... > Really. > > Swing is still part of the Java Tutorial. > > And the Swing classes are not marked as deprecated in the Java Docs (and > JavaFX is not even in there yet). Everything you say is correct Arne but several Oracle representatives have either blogged or tweeted or been involved in forum discussions where it has been made abundantly clear that no further development on Swing will occur and there is significant doubt as to whether any bugs will be addressed either. People can still learn about Swing in the tutorial because it is everywhere and will be in use in production systems for many years to come. My point is that Swing/AWT/applets are not something that I would recommend as the choice for *new* development. There has been no official deprecation in a "Java API" sense but all of Oracle's investment in Java UI technologies is in regard to JavaFX. -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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| From | markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> |
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| Date | 2013-08-14 18:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <kuh9j2$3rk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #24991 |
On 8/14/2013 4:53 PM, Qu0ll wrote: > Everything you say is correct Arne but several Oracle representatives > have either blogged or tweeted or been involved in forum discussions > where it has been made abundantly clear that no further development on > Swing will occur and there is significant doubt as to whether any bugs > will be addressed either. Could you link to those? I can Google myself of course but I'd like to see what you are looking at too. I'm not doubting you, I seem to recall the same thing. However I don't have anything ready to hand and I'd like to see those blogs again if I could.
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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-08-15 15:10 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <CMSdnUri8-qF_pHPnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #24992 |
"markspace" wrote in message news:kuh9j2$3rk$1@dont-email.me... > Could you link to those? I can Google myself of course but I'd like to > see what you are looking at too. I'm not doubting you, I seem to recall > the same thing. However I don't have anything ready to hand and I'd like > to see those blogs again if I could. I haven't been keeping bookmarks or links to said posts etc. but I have certainly seen them and I am sure you can located many such references with your Google foo-ness. I cannot point you to an "official" Oracle announcement on this matter but it is clear from the following facts that Swing is not something you should be considering for new projects: 1) Oracle (as far as I know) have not made any announcements about Swing's further development in a long, long time. 2) Oracle are announcing JavaFX development news on an almost daily basis. 3) Many, many Swing/AWT bugs languish in the bug database untouched for years. 4) I work a lot with Java 8 and, as far as I know but prefaced by the fact that I am not actually looking or interested, I have not heard of any Swing enhancements in this release. 5) JavaFX is considerably enhanced in Java 8. 6) Oracle are actively promoting JavaFX. 7) The JavaFX community is vibrant, active and passionate. 8) Swing will (almost certainly) will never run on mobiles and tablets whereas JavaFX definitely will (watch for Java One announcements in this area). 9) JavaFX can do things that Swing could never and will never do (even if you just look at the fact that JavaFX has a hardware accelerated pipeline). There can be no doubt that Oracle has no interest in taking Swing any further but of course will continue to support it given that it is a critical and widely-used component of the JDK, especially for those with commercial contracts with Oracle. Yes, Swing is not deprecated in the strict technical sense that we apply to elements of the Java API (as I have said) so perhaps "deprecated" is a poor choice of words but really, to all intents and purposes, it *is* deprecated. I see no reason not to embrace JavaFX and leave Swing for maintenance only. -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2013-08-15 20:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <520d74f2$0$303$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #24996 |
On 8/15/2013 1:10 AM, Qu0ll wrote: > "markspace" wrote in message news:kuh9j2$3rk$1@dont-email.me... > >> Could you link to those? I can Google myself of course but I'd like >> to see what you are looking at too. I'm not doubting you, I seem to >> recall the same thing. However I don't have anything ready to hand >> and I'd like to see those blogs again if I could. > > I haven't been keeping bookmarks or links to said posts etc. but I have > certainly seen them and I am sure you can located many such references > with your Google foo-ness. > > I cannot point you to an "official" Oracle announcement on this matter > but it is clear from the following facts that Swing is not something you > should be considering for new projects: > > 1) Oracle (as far as I know) have not made any announcements about > Swing's further development in a long, long time. > 2) Oracle are announcing JavaFX development news on an almost daily basis. > 3) Many, many Swing/AWT bugs languish in the bug database untouched for > years. > 4) I work a lot with Java 8 and, as far as I know but prefaced by the > fact that I am not actually looking or interested, I have not heard of > any Swing enhancements in this release. > 5) JavaFX is considerably enhanced in Java 8. > 6) Oracle are actively promoting JavaFX. > 7) The JavaFX community is vibrant, active and passionate. > 8) Swing will (almost certainly) will never run on mobiles and tablets > whereas JavaFX definitely will (watch for Java One announcements in this > area). > 9) JavaFX can do things that Swing could never and will never do (even > if you just look at the fact that JavaFX has a hardware accelerated > pipeline). > > There can be no doubt that Oracle has no interest in taking Swing any > further but of course will continue to support it given that it is a > critical and widely-used component of the JDK, especially for those with > commercial contracts with Oracle. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javafx/overview/faq-1446554.html#6 <quote> 6. Is JavaFX replacing Swing as the new client UI library for Java SE? Yes. However, Swing will remain part of the Java SE specification for the foreseeable future, and therefore included in the JRE. While we recommend developers to leverage JavaFX APIs as much as possible when building new applications, it is possible to extend a Swing application with JavaFX, allowing for a smoother transition. </quote> May be the most official statement. Arne
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2013-08-14 21:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <520c2d96$0$290$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #24991 |
On 8/14/2013 7:53 PM, Qu0ll wrote: > "Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message > news:520c120a$0$304$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... >> Really. >> >> Swing is still part of the Java Tutorial. >> >> And the Swing classes are not marked as deprecated in the Java Docs (and >> JavaFX is not even in there yet). > > Everything you say is correct Arne but several Oracle representatives > have either blogged or tweeted or been involved in forum discussions > where it has been made abundantly clear that no further development on > Swing will occur and there is significant doubt as to whether any bugs > will be addressed either. That is true. They will not invest more in Swing. But I believe there is a difference between stopping investing in and deprecating. There must be plenty of packages/classes in Java SE that has seen little development for many years without them being in any way deprecated. > People can still learn about Swing in the tutorial because it is > everywhere and will be in use in production systems for many years to > come. My point is that Swing/AWT/applets are not something that I would > recommend as the choice for *new* development. There has been no > official deprecation in a "Java API" sense but all of Oracle's > investment in Java UI technologies is in regard to JavaFX. If I were to recommend something for cross-platform desktop app, then I would recommend JavaFX. I am not sure though that I would do the same for a single-platform desktop app. JavaFX may be conceptually as good as the alternatives, but it it is still far behind in adoption, which impact the level of support available. Arne
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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-08-15 15:23 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <kJGdnT7ZhutI-JHPnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #24994 |
"Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message news:520c2d96$0$290$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... > That is true. > > They will not invest more in Swing. > > But I believe there is a difference between stopping > investing in and deprecating. > > There must be plenty of packages/classes in Java SE that has seen > little development for many years without them being in any way > deprecated. Arne, please see my reply to markspace that contains clarification of my usage of the term "deprecated". > If I were to recommend something for cross-platform desktop > app, then I would recommend JavaFX. > > I am not sure though that I would do the same for a > single-platform desktop app. JavaFX may be conceptually > as good as the alternatives, but it it is still far behind > in adoption, which impact the level of support available. Yes, it is absolutely true that Swing is everywhere and adoption of JavaFX is not at that level - yet. But Oracle have told me that most of the large sites where JavaFX is being used are behind "corporate firewalls" and are not the sort of applications that can be publicised on the net or have demos made available to the general public. There actually are quite of lot of corporations and individuals who are investing heavily in JavaFX right now. Human resources with JavaFX skills maybe hard to find at the moment but that will certainly change too. I for one am getting in now so that I can build my career on this technology. And, after all, JavaFX is "just another Java API" these days; there are no new languages to learn (like there was with JavaFX 1.x and JavaFX Script) so it is not something that would appear foreign to any capable Java developer and is very easy to pick up. Further, there are multitudes of technical resources, articles, blogs, forums, user groups on the net and, as I have said, many very passionate evangelists in this area. For example, check out people like Gerrit Grunwald (@hansolo_) and Toni Epple (@monacotoni). These guys are rock stars. Carl Dea (@carldea) is awesome too. -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2013-08-15 20:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <520d7522$0$303$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #24997 |
On 8/15/2013 1:23 AM, Qu0ll wrote: > "Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message > news:520c2d96$0$290$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... >> That is true. >> >> They will not invest more in Swing. >> >> But I believe there is a difference between stopping >> investing in and deprecating. >> >> There must be plenty of packages/classes in Java SE that has seen >> little development for many years without them being in any way >> deprecated. > > Arne, please see my reply to markspace that contains clarification of my > usage of the term "deprecated". But your usage is somewhat different from normal usage in Java context. Arne
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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-08-16 19:07 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <qv2dnT3Ma9FudpDPnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #25014 |
"Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message news:520d7522$0$303$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... >> Arne, please see my reply to markspace that contains clarification of my >> usage of the term "deprecated". > > But your usage is somewhat different from normal usage > in Java context. Acknowledged. Loose at best. -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2013-08-15 20:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <520d7617$0$296$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #24997 |
On 8/15/2013 1:23 AM, Qu0ll wrote: > "Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message > news:520c2d96$0$290$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... >> If I were to recommend something for cross-platform desktop >> app, then I would recommend JavaFX. >> >> I am not sure though that I would do the same for a >> single-platform desktop app. JavaFX may be conceptually >> as good as the alternatives, but it it is still far behind >> in adoption, which impact the level of support available. > > Yes, it is absolutely true that Swing is everywhere and adoption of > JavaFX is not at that level - yet. The alternatives I was referring to are non-Java. > But Oracle have told me that most of > the large sites where JavaFX is being used are behind "corporate > firewalls" and are not the sort of applications that can be publicised > on the net or have demos made available to the general public. There > actually are quite of lot of corporations and individuals who are > investing heavily in JavaFX right now. "It is widely used, but the details are not public" is not that convincing. But even if more than half the companies doing desktop apps in Java are switching from Swing to JavaFX, then it would still not be many. Arne
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2013-08-15 20:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <520d7717$0$294$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #25015 |
On 8/15/2013 8:45 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 8/15/2013 1:23 AM, Qu0ll wrote: >> "Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message >> news:520c2d96$0$290$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... >>> If I were to recommend something for cross-platform desktop >>> app, then I would recommend JavaFX. >>> >>> I am not sure though that I would do the same for a >>> single-platform desktop app. JavaFX may be conceptually >>> as good as the alternatives, but it it is still far behind >>> in adoption, which impact the level of support available. >> >> Yes, it is absolutely true that Swing is everywhere and adoption of >> JavaFX is not at that level - yet. > > The alternatives I was referring to are non-Java. > >> But Oracle have told me that most of >> the large sites where JavaFX is being used are behind "corporate >> firewalls" and are not the sort of applications that can be publicised >> on the net or have demos made available to the general public. There >> actually are quite of lot of corporations and individuals who are >> investing heavily in JavaFX right now. > > "It is widely used, but the details are not public" is not that > convincing. > > But even if more than half the companies doing desktop apps in > Java are switching from Swing to JavaFX, then it would still > not be many. A search at dice.com finds: * 2769 JSP jobs * 423 Swing jobs * 7 JavaFX jobs * 940 WPF jobs * 300 WinForms jobs * 290 Cocoa jobs Arne
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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-08-16 19:11 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <3-udnaEgw9VmcZDPnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #25016 |
"Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message news:520d7717$0$294$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... > A search at dice.com finds: > > * 2769 JSP jobs > * 423 Swing jobs > * 7 JavaFX jobs > * 940 WPF jobs > * 300 WinForms jobs > * 290 Cocoa jobs I don't find this the slightest bit surprising. GUI applications written in Java are far less prevalent than those written using other technologies. The vast majority of Java software is server oriented (my guess would be over 95%). But that figure for Swing is not too shabby and similar figures could be achieved for JavaFX in a couple of years or so. -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2013-08-16 22:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <520edc54$0$299$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #25022 |
On 8/16/2013 5:11 AM, Qu0ll wrote: > "Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message > news:520d7717$0$294$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... > >> A search at dice.com finds: >> >> * 2769 JSP jobs >> * 423 Swing jobs >> * 7 JavaFX jobs >> * 940 WPF jobs >> * 300 WinForms jobs >> * 290 Cocoa jobs > > I don't find this the slightest bit surprising. GUI applications > written in Java are far less prevalent than those written using other > technologies. The vast majority of Java software is server oriented (my > guess would be over 95%). That was my point. > But that figure for Swing is not too shabby and similar figures could be > achieved for JavaFX in a couple of years or so. That would be my expectation as well. And for multi platform support then JavaFX looks great. But if you are in a Windows only env, then WPF is a bit attractive. Arne
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| From | Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-08-16 17:26 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <kukr7o$lmm$3@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #25016 |
On 8/16/2013 8:49 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 8/15/2013 8:45 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> On 8/15/2013 1:23 AM, Qu0ll wrote: >>> "Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message >>> news:520c2d96$0$290$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... >>>> If I were to recommend something for cross-platform desktop >>>> app, then I would recommend JavaFX. >>>> >>>> I am not sure though that I would do the same for a >>>> single-platform desktop app. JavaFX may be conceptually >>>> as good as the alternatives, but it it is still far behind >>>> in adoption, which impact the level of support available. >>> >>> Yes, it is absolutely true that Swing is everywhere and adoption of >>> JavaFX is not at that level - yet. >> >> The alternatives I was referring to are non-Java. >> >>> But Oracle have told me that most of >>> the large sites where JavaFX is being used are behind "corporate >>> firewalls" and are not the sort of applications that can be publicised >>> on the net or have demos made available to the general public. There >>> actually are quite of lot of corporations and individuals who are >>> investing heavily in JavaFX right now. >> >> "It is widely used, but the details are not public" is not that >> convincing. >> >> But even if more than half the companies doing desktop apps in >> Java are switching from Swing to JavaFX, then it would still >> not be many. > > A search at dice.com finds: > > * 2769 JSP jobs > * 423 Swing jobs > * 7 JavaFX jobs > * 940 WPF jobs > * 300 WinForms jobs > * 290 Cocoa jobs No Apex, Application Express? Isn't that the other Strategic Direction for Oracle Web Apps? > > Arne > >
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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-08-16 19:09 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <UdOdnQJF1pL_cZDPnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #25015 |
"Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message news:520d7617$0$296$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... > "It is widely used, but the details are not public" is not that > convincing. > > But even if more than half the companies doing desktop apps in > Java are switching from Swing to JavaFX, then it would still > not be many. I have to disagree with you on that point. My impression (which I can in no way substantiate) is that there are many thousands of applications written in Swing in use in corporations and businesses around the world to this day. -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2013-08-16 22:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <520edc8b$0$299$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #25021 |
On 8/16/2013 5:09 AM, Qu0ll wrote: > "Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message > news:520d7617$0$296$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... > >> "It is widely used, but the details are not public" is not that >> convincing. >> >> But even if more than half the companies doing desktop apps in >> Java are switching from Swing to JavaFX, then it would still >> not be many. > > I have to disagree with you on that point. My impression (which I can > in no way substantiate) is that there are many thousands of applications > written in Swing in use in corporations and businesses around the world > to this day. That sounds very plausible. But I don't consider that to be many. :-) Arne
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| From | Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-08-16 17:22 +0800 |
| Subject | Please don't discuss the outside world |
| Message-ID | <kukr0v$lmm$2@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #24987 |
On 8/15/2013 7:07 AM, Qu0ll wrote: > "Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message >> >> JavaFX is very impressive. > > Indeed. Far more impressive than most people actually realise and with > JFX8 coming soon we will have 3D and other truly awesome features. Wow 3D, awesome! Who'd have thunk it. > > -- > And loving it, > > -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) > _________________________________________________ > Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com > [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-08-16 20:50 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Please don't discuss the outside world |
| Message-ID | <bJednaoeHciZmZPPnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #25025 |
"Richard Maher" wrote in message news:kukr0v$lmm$2@speranza.aioe.org... >> Indeed. Far more impressive than most people actually realise and with >> JFX8 coming soon we will have 3D and other truly awesome features. > > Wow 3D, awesome! Who'd have thunk it. Sarcasm noted and I agree that things have progressed a bit OT but I have to say that I don't get the subtle humour I assume is intended in the cryptic thread rename. -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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