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Re: lectures about "programming methodology"

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On 05/05/2013 08:48 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
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> Third, some say that the actual education (at bachelor and
> masters level - PhD level may be different) is not that much
> better at the famous universities than at lesser know
> universities and that the benefits of joining is more
> about the prestige and the connections one get. As I have never
> seen the inside of an American university, then I can not
> say if it is true or not.
>
> Arne

That's pretty much true almost anywhere. It obviously depends on the 
specific discipline, whether the eventual focus is research as a career 
or practical application, and so forth.

But for IT specifically, for preparing students for real work, I've seen 
two-year vocational/business schools or community colleges often do a 
better job of providing some programming language training and a dollop 
of useful software engineering than 4-year CS programs at name universities.

I don't know why anyone would even expect a programming language course, 
online or otherwise, offered by any school and typically taught by a 
faculty member or TA with less time in real-world programming experience 
than hundreds of thousands of professional programmers have, to either 
be particularly noteworthy or to be better than the dozens of good or 
excellent tutorials that have been on the Web for years.

I think it's pointless to pay $$$ to learn programming languages. What 
*is* a good idea to pay money for is some courses in software 
engineering, but CS programs don't often offer quality courses in that. 
Failing that option, again, no shortage of quality books on the 
subject...and simply OJT.

If I were aspiring to a career in IT, which does benefit for HR reasons 
if nothing else from a bachelor's degree minimum, I'd take a quality 
degree in almost anything except CS.

AHS

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Re: lectures about "programming methodology" Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-05-05 19:48 -0400
  Re: lectures about "programming methodology" Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-05-06 06:07 -0300
    Re: lectures about "programming methodology" Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-05-06 12:00 +0200
    Re: lectures about "programming methodology" Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-05-06 21:38 -0400
  Re: lectures about "programming methodology" Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 11:25 -0700
  Re: lectures about "programming methodology" Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-05-06 19:20 +0000
  Re: lectures about "programming methodology" Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2013-05-06 15:42 -0400
    Re: lectures about "programming methodology" Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-05-06 21:25 -0400
      Re: lectures about "programming methodology" Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2013-05-06 23:19 -0400
        Re: lectures about "programming methodology" Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-05-07 21:36 -0400
        Re: lectures about "programming methodology" "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-05-08 14:44 +0100

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