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Re: What is left alive?

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On 01/12/2016 11:28, Lothar Kimmeringer wrote:
> Stefan Ram wrote:
>
>>    So, what is still alive?
>>
>>        - Java on the server (JEE)
>
> JEE != Java on the server but otherwise you're correct
>
>>        - Java on Android
>
> Yes but there are attempts to chnage that to a more
> native approach.
>
>>    Anything else?
>
> BluRay, Setop boxes
> Mindcraft ;-)
>
>
> Cheers, Lothar


>




If Java on the desktop is not dead, then it appears to be in decline, 
but that may be due in part to the decline in desktop and laptop 
computers generally.

But theres a few other factors to consider


First, the cross platform portability which was one of the initial 
attractions of Java addresses a problem which has largely disappeared, 
for the simple reason that the platforms have just faded away. We now 
have a computing landscape which is largely dominated by Intel 
processors and a relatively small number of operating systems, leading 
to fewer requirements for cross platform development.

Second, in a lot of commercial environments, its relatively easy to use 
remote desktop clients and products like Exceed and Xming to get access 
to non-native or remote applications, thus eliminating the need for 
porting - to the point where I can hardly remember the last time I heard 
anybody use the term "porting"

Alternatively, on a more modest scale, its quite easy now to use 
virtualisation tools like VMWare and Virtualbox to fire up alternative 
operating systems and get to our destination

There's a number of other factors involved too, including the 
proliferation of remote database bound applications which effectively 
turn the laptop in to a thin client, so less dependent on local raw 
computing power, but I suspect that one of the most important reasons 
for the decline is this ...

If we get out of our predominately Apple Mac and Unix / Linux equipped 
ivory towers for a while and get down to the nearest computer store, we 
might find that the majority (maybe more than 90% in some areas) of 
laptop and desktop products are sold with Windows 10 preinstalled.
Just fire one up and start the CLI, and then type in the magic words 
"java - version" - and the problem is laid bare for you. In other words, 
executable jars simply WILL NOT WORK out of the box for the majority of 
the products in the marketplace because there is no JRE installed.
Add in the security hurdles which now make it more difficult to use the 
JNLP to start applications anyway and you have a problem.
As soon as Joe Public has to start downloading and installing software 
for himself you are fighting a losing battle

Anyway, as we are often told about the lightning speed of change in the 
computer industry, should any of us be surprised at something going out 
of fashion after more than 20 years ?

Cheers  ... AT

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Re: What is left alive? Lothar Kimmeringer <news200709@kimmeringer.de> - 2016-12-01 12:28 +0100
  Re: What is left alive? Abandoned Trolley <russell@fredswedlock.co.uk> - 2016-12-02 12:13 +0000
    Re: What is left alive? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 06:48 -0800
      Re: What is left alive? Abandoned Trolley <russell@fredswedlock.co.uk> - 2016-12-02 15:37 +0000
      Re: What is left alive? a.laforgia@gmail.com - 2016-12-02 17:57 -0800
        Re: What is left alive? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2016-12-03 11:34 +0100
          Re: What is left alive? Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-12-04 11:39 +0100
            Re: What is left alive? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-12-05 21:37 -0500
              Re: What is left alive? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 05:08 -0800
                Re: What is left alive? Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-12-06 18:46 +0100
                Re: What is left alive? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-12-06 21:01 -0500
          Re: What is left alive? a.laforgia@gmail.com - 2016-12-05 06:13 -0800

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